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06-30-03, 10:56 PM
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well i was looking in to a na to t2 swap but that cost a few and i can prob get a n/a 13b for less then a grand cuz the rx7 im getting doesnt run i need a new engine unless i come upon a rx7 that runs under a grand
07-01-03, 04:30 AM
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D3rELiC, that sounds like more than 2 or 3 g's worth of sh*t for a guy who sometimes changes his own iol, but usually not........ and Fingers, go F*ck yourself with those Fingers....... Mr. Eccentric what are toe eliminators? and how much will that cost with labor? is it really necessary, ive drifted stock fc's b4.......... Rxmfn7 i am not looking for a HP monster, i have my fd for that and im spending a butt load of money on it to make it around 400 to 450 rwhp, i need a reliable daily driver out of the fc that has enough power to hold its own and drift with ease, something i can put a lot of miles on and beat on, i guess i would settle for around 180 to 190 to the wheels.......... pp13bnos what the crap is a afm?? and haltech/micro??? is it within the 2 to 3 g budget of mine (labor costs included)????... marcus219 im not looking for serious power, just reliable power,,, is 200hp serious power??????
07-01-03, 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by MADBOOST
i kno you dun need lots of power to drift. im not a pro but i can drift a stock fc stock suspension thru multiple turns. i just was curious as to how easy it is to acheive those figures with that budget. and i was on the street racing my friends m3 after he got some headwork done i was taking a second gear drift real hard, tires screeching then all the sudden i get no boost from my second turbo, my car still runs i juss thought it was time for extreme mods
i kno you dun need lots of power to drift. im not a pro but i can drift a stock fc stock suspension thru multiple turns. i just was curious as to how easy it is to acheive those figures with that budget. and i was on the street racing my friends m3 after he got some headwork done i was taking a second gear drift real hard, tires screeching then all the sudden i get no boost from my second turbo, my car still runs i juss thought it was time for extreme mods
Bull. Im calling major BS on this one. You simply can not drift a stock FC through multiple turns. Put down the controller and turn the console off now! I kind of doubt that you even own an FD. Secondary turbos went out while you were 'screeching around'? Sounds like a line straight out of Initial D. "Are my secondary turbos not working??!?!" Maybe you have wet dreams of owning an FD and are on the Initial D/option fanboy bandwagon and only have an NA FC...you don't need to lie to kick it, JoeD lover.
If you do have an FD, you probably just popped a vacuum hose. Most likely one on the pressure tank. You should read up on your cars before you start driving them hard and breaking them.
200rwhp on an NA FC, especially an S4 is very difficult. Only a small percentage of NA owners who fix up their cars have reached that goal. For the most part, if you dont have the cash or the know how to do it...it's not going to happen. You gotta pay to play. It's pretty apparent that you're going to have to pay a lot to reach your goal if you don't even change your own oil or have any basic car knowledge. To reach 200rwhp you'll need some good porting, full exhaust (tune as previously mentioned (please by all means get 3" piping)) some kind of fuel management like vpro or safc, ignition work like jacobs, twin power, or msd, some drivetrain work, and tuning, tuning, tuning.
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07-01-03, 06:07 AM
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D3rELiC, that sounds like more than 2 or 3 g's worth of sh*t for a guy who sometimes changes his own iol, but usually not........ and Fingers, go F*ck yourself with those Fingers....... Mr. Eccentric what are toe eliminators? and how much will that cost with labor? is it really necessary, ive drifted stock fc's b4.......... Rxmfn7 i am not looking for a HP monster, i have my fd for that and im spending a butt load of money on it to make it around 400 to 450 rwhp, i need a reliable daily driver out of the fc that has enough power to hold its own and drift with ease, something i can put a lot of miles on and beat on, i guess i would settle for around 180 to 190 to the wheels.......... pp13bnos what the crap is a afm?? and haltech/micro??? is it within the 2 to 3 g budget of mine (labor costs included)????... marcus219 im not looking for serious power, just reliable power,,, is 200hp serious power??????
D3rELiC, that sounds like more than 2 or 3 g's worth of sh*t for a guy who sometimes changes his own iol, but usually not........ and Fingers, go F*ck yourself with those Fingers....... Mr. Eccentric what are toe eliminators? and how much will that cost with labor? is it really necessary, ive drifted stock fc's b4.......... Rxmfn7 i am not looking for a HP monster, i have my fd for that and im spending a butt load of money on it to make it around 400 to 450 rwhp, i need a reliable daily driver out of the fc that has enough power to hold its own and drift with ease, something i can put a lot of miles on and beat on, i guess i would settle for around 180 to 190 to the wheels.......... pp13bnos what the crap is a afm?? and haltech/micro??? is it within the 2 to 3 g budget of mine (labor costs included)????... marcus219 im not looking for serious power, just reliable power,,, is 200hp serious power??????
For those of you who don't know, Takumi is the main fruitball in InitialD who is the best drifter in the whole galaxy BUT doesnt know anything about cars.
07-01-03, 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by MADBOOST
D3rELiC, that sounds like more than 2 or 3 g's worth of sh*t for a guy who sometimes changes his own iol, but usually not........ and Fingers, go F*ck yourself with those Fingers....... Mr. Eccentric what are toe eliminators? and how much will that cost with labor? is it really necessary, ive drifted stock fc's b4.......... Rxmfn7 i am not looking for a HP monster, i have my fd for that and im spending a butt load of money on it to make it around 400 to 450 rwhp, i need a reliable daily driver out of the fc that has enough power to hold its own and drift with ease, something i can put a lot of miles on and beat on, i guess i would settle for around 180 to 190 to the wheels.......... pp13bnos what the crap is a afm?? and haltech/micro??? is it within the 2 to 3 g budget of mine (labor costs included)????... marcus219 im not looking for serious power, just reliable power,,, is 200hp serious power??????
D3rELiC, that sounds like more than 2 or 3 g's worth of sh*t for a guy who sometimes changes his own iol, but usually not........ and Fingers, go F*ck yourself with those Fingers....... Mr. Eccentric what are toe eliminators? and how much will that cost with labor? is it really necessary, ive drifted stock fc's b4.......... Rxmfn7 i am not looking for a HP monster, i have my fd for that and im spending a butt load of money on it to make it around 400 to 450 rwhp, i need a reliable daily driver out of the fc that has enough power to hold its own and drift with ease, something i can put a lot of miles on and beat on, i guess i would settle for around 180 to 190 to the wheels.......... pp13bnos what the crap is a afm?? and haltech/micro??? is it within the 2 to 3 g budget of mine (labor costs included)????... marcus219 im not looking for serious power, just reliable power,,, is 200hp serious power??????
07-01-03, 06:03 PM
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BlackR1, i like your animation, but dont hate, just kuzz you cant do it. there is a road right by my house with a right, left, then right agin, all three turns are tight and must be done in 1st with a fc.i can take all three turns in every car ive tried, including stock fc, there is sand and loose gravel, but not too much. I do have an fd whether you choose to beleive so or not, i am aware that there is a good chance its a vaccum line or something minor, i have been saving for a while and regardless of any problems or not, i was going to get a new ported motor, turbo, ecu upgrade, and a few other thingsthis summer, i just thought it would be a good time now. I'm not an initial d kid, ive tried to download some of them from kazaa, but it won't work, ive still never seen one and ive played the arcade game enough to get a spoiler. i appreciate your input in the last paragragh, but dont hate on people, who chose a more financially satisfying career then auto mechanics. i simply dont have the time to learn to work on my car, it would be more cost effective for me to work during those hours and just pay the most reputable places to do my work. i try to learn the most i can on my freetime, thats why i joined this (sh*t talking) forum and wan, i dont have to or want to prove anything to you, nobody wants to hear what you have to say so just leave and dont come back...
also, i am not putting down machanics, my dad and uncle are mechanics and i have a great respect for what mechanics can do for me and thats why i pay them big moneys
also, i am not putting down machanics, my dad and uncle are mechanics and i have a great respect for what mechanics can do for me and thats why i pay them big moneys
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07-01-03, 10:06 PM
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i didnt list all the little sh*t like, intake, pulley,exhaust, clutch,etc. my estimate came out to 10 to 16 with labor for R&R and everything dik. depending on if i go with the haltech or pfc and if i go with rebuilt, modified stock turbos or a BB turbo.
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07-01-03, 11:30 PM
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Icemark, I'm not trying to flame but i just gotta say this
1.Sorry y did you join a **** talking forum?? Care to elaborate?
2.I usually pay my mechanics with interac cause alot of places don't accept big moneys anymore, but i still respect my mechanics.
3.I've never drivfted a car b4. closest i've come to that is pulling the hand break in a parking-lot full of snow in my FWD eclipse and since the snow was the thing helping me get the rear out it was pretty hard to get it back in. So i'd imagine drifting an FC or anyother RWD car with street tired on even little dirt/gravel, if that was what helped you get the rear out what are the chances of swinging the rear end back around for a 2nd and then even 3rd "tight" curve?
or did i just miss understand and the dirt/gravel is just at the point in the turn where you have to swing out the rear and after that it's nice and clean??
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Originally posted by MADBOOST
thats why i joined this (sh*t talking) forum and wan, i dont have to or want to prove anything to you, nobody wants to hear what you have to say so just leave and dont come back...
also, i am not putting down machanics, my dad and uncle are mechanics and i have a great respect for what mechanics can do for me and thats why i pay them big moneys
thats why i joined this (sh*t talking) forum and wan, i dont have to or want to prove anything to you, nobody wants to hear what you have to say so just leave and dont come back...
also, i am not putting down machanics, my dad and uncle are mechanics and i have a great respect for what mechanics can do for me and thats why i pay them big moneys
2.I usually pay my mechanics with interac cause alot of places don't accept big moneys anymore, but i still respect my mechanics.
3.I've never drivfted a car b4. closest i've come to that is pulling the hand break in a parking-lot full of snow in my FWD eclipse and since the snow was the thing helping me get the rear out it was pretty hard to get it back in. So i'd imagine drifting an FC or anyother RWD car with street tired on even little dirt/gravel, if that was what helped you get the rear out what are the chances of swinging the rear end back around for a 2nd and then even 3rd "tight" curve?
or did i just miss understand and the dirt/gravel is just at the point in the turn where you have to swing out the rear and after that it's nice and clean??
Yours truely
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07-02-03, 04:26 AM
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Hey Guys: I am in need of more power for my S5 and I think the most bang out of my buck is full exhaust which I already have and looking to get a Holley carb set up. I dynoed 147 at the wheels with just exhaust on a Dyno jet. (pretty sorry I know.) Can any one tell me if you know some one has done the same with Holley carb and exhaust and what was the Dynoed power or 1/4 mile trap speed. I saw a lot of discussion about "expected" or "around" fiures, I just would like to know exactly what to expect with Holley 650 CFM carb, Racin Beat manifold, header with single 2 1/2 inch center muffler out with HKS cat back. Oh on the drifting thing, I thing if you have loose or wet surface stock FC is great, but on dry surface it is under torqued. However if you do the turns coming in and drift through them slowing down it is difinitely possible to link 2-3 turns together, but if you run into a turn where you have to power out the apex at 40mph or so a stock FC just don't have the torque.
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FCs stock come with a little nifty thing called DTSS. Basically its a type of rear steer where the rear tires toe in or out while you turn. (laymans terms) toe is kind of like the front wheels when you turn. the rear toe, the wheels turn in or out (albeit a very small degree)
because of this little feature, it makes it impossible to perform a real full counter, foot mashed on the gas drift...let alone link multiple drifts. DTSS has downed many an FC and causes a lot of instability. Usually causes snap oversteer and spinouts. Ebraking with 0 correction or letting the rear slide out by mashing the gas and letting it slide out and correcting by easing off is not drifting..thats justpower sliding.
btw, i am not an auto mechanic. Im a designer and a computer/network tech.
i dont have the gall to say I can drift. I know a thing or two...but the truth is, there are very very few amateur drivers that really know how to drift. Everyone in the US is still learning. None of the drivers who won the last drift events passed the D1 trials. The ones who passed it were professional racecar competition drivers. Even they cannot hold a candle to the japanese drivers. to justifiably say that I can drift, would be to say that I can do it any time, all the time. Im not pompous enough to make that kind of claim. Come out to one of the drifting events here in Cali since you've got all this money to burn and put your money where your mouth is. If you can link more than 2 turns drifting, then you can win one of these events since most people have trouble with that. I'm going to be participating in DD6 coming up in a few days...come out sometime.
big moneys can buy you the head of a neck! f00!
because of this little feature, it makes it impossible to perform a real full counter, foot mashed on the gas drift...let alone link multiple drifts. DTSS has downed many an FC and causes a lot of instability. Usually causes snap oversteer and spinouts. Ebraking with 0 correction or letting the rear slide out by mashing the gas and letting it slide out and correcting by easing off is not drifting..thats justpower sliding.
btw, i am not an auto mechanic. Im a designer and a computer/network tech.
i dont have the gall to say I can drift. I know a thing or two...but the truth is, there are very very few amateur drivers that really know how to drift. Everyone in the US is still learning. None of the drivers who won the last drift events passed the D1 trials. The ones who passed it were professional racecar competition drivers. Even they cannot hold a candle to the japanese drivers. to justifiably say that I can drift, would be to say that I can do it any time, all the time. Im not pompous enough to make that kind of claim. Come out to one of the drifting events here in Cali since you've got all this money to burn and put your money where your mouth is. If you can link more than 2 turns drifting, then you can win one of these events since most people have trouble with that. I'm going to be participating in DD6 coming up in a few days...come out sometime.
big moneys can buy you the head of a neck! f00!
07-02-03, 08:22 AM
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I would also like to know what mazdized is asking if anybody out there knows.... Black R1 omg your so technical, when i say i can drift i dont mean i can do it great everytime all the time; if you can run 15.5 in a stock civic si and have it on paper, and you can only do it again 1 out of 5 times, i think you can still say, " i can run 15.5 in a all stock civic si...... and i bet those japanese guys mess up once in a while too.... maybe i am powersliding i dont know, i didn't know it was so technical, but i dont ease off the gas at all in a fc i juss keep it down and straighten it out... in my fd, sometimes i ease off the gas a little , but come out of it with my gas down... and i really doubt there isnt a lot of people in the US that can drift 2 turns, i know for a fact i can, not everytime, but most of the time. my friend who got me into rx7's and drifting is very good, he's been drifting old cars in the snow since he was 15, but still a beginner on dry road, and with a powerful car, he's only had his fd 2 years and is very good at many multiple second gear drifts(or powerslides, whaterver). after riding with him and practicing so much myself, i truly think that some people, like my friend, are just born with a really good sense of balance in a car, i dont know if ill ever be as confident as him thru those turns..,, I really didnt mean to offend any1 when i said i can drift, i honestly cant beleive some1 would get so mad over a statement like that... people likje that are just angry people with no lives and nothing better to do... and i would check out that thing if i lived in cali, but im in MN, duh... bit of a hike for an event...
07-02-03, 08:26 AM
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im sick of defending myself against haterZ and sh*t talkers.... if you dont have anything useful to say(about the topic of n/a power) then just STFU...i cant beleive how off topic this has gotten...