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06-26-02, 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by AbecX
Any v6 that can make 550hp n/a is fine by me!
Any v6 that can make 550hp n/a is fine by me!
06-26-02, 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by kenny
I was directly replying to you - with a quote.
NSX is NOT worth modifying (not worth it means COST).
A V6 that can't make more than 550 hp is weak IMO.
I was directly replying to you - with a quote.
NSX is NOT worth modifying (not worth it means COST).
A V6 that can't make more than 550 hp is weak IMO.
06-26-02, 03:22 PM
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https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=89509
How to make 550BHP cheap and reliable, on pump gas.
Just have to know how it's done. Peter knows, and his car reflects that.
How to make 550BHP cheap and reliable, on pump gas.
Just have to know how it's done. Peter knows, and his car reflects that.
06-26-02, 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by relvinnian
I happen to like the way the NSX looks. I like Hondas in general, as they are very well engineered cars. I could never justify buying one though, they simply don't modify well enough... Thier manifolds, head designs, cam profiles, etc are all very efficient from the factory. Turbocharging a high compresion engine does not make the most sense either.
How did we get to talking about fast cars all of a sudden
? Do we all agree that the N/A 2nd gen is basically a turd in a straight line then? 
I happen to like the way the NSX looks. I like Hondas in general, as they are very well engineered cars. I could never justify buying one though, they simply don't modify well enough... Thier manifolds, head designs, cam profiles, etc are all very efficient from the factory. Turbocharging a high compresion engine does not make the most sense either.
How did we get to talking about fast cars all of a sudden
? Do we all agree that the N/A 2nd gen is basically a turd in a straight line then?
Is my point finally clear (N/A 13b RX7 = SLOW)?
06-26-02, 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by UniqueTII
Now you just sound like a kid who reads too many magazines. You read that an NSX can't make over 550hp, and you read that a Supra can make 900, so now the NSX block isn't enough for you.
Now you just sound like a kid who reads too many magazines. You read that an NSX can't make over 550hp, and you read that a Supra can make 900, so now the NSX block isn't enough for you.
NSX = waste of money.
Do you understand that?
Yes - I read the block was weak. Suddenly magazines can't have reliable information? How far off topic do we need to go?
06-26-02, 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by UniqueTII
Now you just sound like a kid who reads too many magazines. You read that an NSX can't make over 550hp, and you read that a Supra can make 900, so now the NSX block isn't enough for you.
Now you just sound like a kid who reads too many magazines. You read that an NSX can't make over 550hp, and you read that a Supra can make 900, so now the NSX block isn't enough for you.
Here is the point. 550bhp is CRAZY in that car, but... 13B = 2.6 liters of displacement, and can achieve 550bhp for far less $$, on pump gas, and not be at the mechanical thresholds of the engine by any means. NSX = 3.2 liters of displacement. It was not, however, designed to hold those kind of combustion pressures, simple as that. The problem is not vol efficiency, it's not an inability to rev, it's simply strength and $$.
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06-26-02, 03:27 PM
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sorry, its not too too clear. they are slow in u'r opinion okay. BUT...is it fast enough to beat evryday normal cars, like a ford probe lets say, or an eagle talon n/a, cars like that.???
06-26-02, 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Antonio_bigbob
sorry, its not too too clear. they are slow in u'r opinion okay. BUT...is it fast enough to beat evryday normal cars, like a ford probe lets say, or an eagle talon n/a, cars like that.???
sorry, its not too too clear. they are slow in u'r opinion okay. BUT...is it fast enough to beat evryday normal cars, like a ford probe lets say, or an eagle talon n/a, cars like that.???
Again, buy a Turbo II. - If you already have an N/A RX7, turbo it. It doesn't cost that much.
06-26-02, 03:49 PM
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I am not particularly a fan of the NSX either, but that's just the car that happened to get a response. From a racer's standpoint, they are good cars to mod. That's the original point I was trying to make. They do well in the Speed GT class and are quite able road racers. Getting 550hp out of one was not something I was going to bring up, because, like an RX-7, they aren't made for huge power. When the NSX came out, it was an amazing car and was rather impressive. 10 years later, with no major design or powerplant changes, it's yawn-worthy, and can't possibly be worth 80 grand IMO. The whole reason I said anything about them was because of the original Honda comment. Now that I think about it, a Civic or Integra would be a lot better of a car to mod than the two I mentioned.
06-26-02, 03:56 PM
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Yes, dipshit.
My point is simple. N/A 13b's are slow. They will always be slow. Is that clear enough for you or should I grab the windex?
Why are you going to even go into anything can be made fast?... no ****. A 13b without a power adder is lame. End of story.
Back to other guy... calls me out and now backs down. What gives?
Yes, dipshit.
My point is simple. N/A 13b's are slow. They will always be slow. Is that clear enough for you or should I grab the windex?
Why are you going to even go into anything can be made fast?... no ****. A 13b without a power adder is lame. End of story.
Back to other guy... calls me out and now backs down. What gives?
Come to PR, and I'll show you what a 12A NA can do, then we'll go to the 13b NA
In the mid 70's lots of people argue on why modifying a rotary engine, well because it was fun, and we could race the V8 in the 1/4 mile. Don't believe me, just ask on the Rotary Performance section on this forum, OR call Racing Beat and ask them what was the result when they brought their car to PR in the 80's?Apparently you don't know what a ported 13B with a RB intake, Holley carb, full exhaust, and Ford dif can do?
I'm not saying that a 13B NA is FAST, way faster than a V8, or that it can beat all V8, but you may be surprised.
Now answer me, what does your Camino V8 has to do with all this? I hope you are in the 10's or less, because you are talking to much CACA without any backup!!
GO AWAY, TROLL!!
06-26-02, 04:03 PM
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You guys are off topic... the guy doesn't want his car to have to hang with an NSX/Vette/etc... or run 11's at the drag strip. He just wants to know if it'll run with the Civics, 240s, Probes, Talons, etc.... 'can it take most 4 bangers???'
Of course he never mentions whether he'll keep the car stock or not.
'"Fast" is relative. If all you aspire to beat are cars than run 14 or slower, than you will be happy with an N/A. Otherwise, no.'
This should have summed up all your questions. N/A RX-7s will run low 16's stock in the quarter. However, as I've heard around the forum, they're fairly easy to get in the low 15s and high 14s. With some work, lower 14s are possible and I would think high 13s would be the max for streetable N/As (unless you call bridgeporting/peripheral porting streetable of course).
Kenny, I don't know what your problem is... on the first page, dre2000 was CLEARLY talking about being able to beat STOCK mustangs (V8 ones) with his MODIFIED low 14's N/A 7.
"There is no way in hell a stock N/A RX7 will pull a stock fox body (assuming both are in proper tune and have the same driver of course)."
I don't think, at least most people, were arguing that (stock).
"a bone stock N/A WILL NOT BEAT a bone stock
87-93 mustang LX or GT 5.0 PERIOD"
"now if you got a lot of mods and dump
a lot of weight they will be no problem
beating a stock 5.0"
I believe that only people who stated that they could beat 5.0 mustangs were people with modified N/As.
"N/A 13b's are slow. They will always be slow."
Streetable N/A 13bs (besides the renny) won't get past (normally) high 13s. If you want to go faster than that, you should have gotten the turbo model. If high 13s is slow to you, then don't get the car. Of course stock TurboIIs must be dogs then if they run low 15s huh.
"How am I ignorant? N/A 13b's are slow - is it that hard to understand?"
You're comparing them to Vettes/FDs/etc... when the author of this thread wants to know if they'll hang with four bangers...
"Do we all agree that the N/A 2nd gen is basically a turd in a straight line then?"
Considering a modified N/A can run circles around a stock TII....
Of course he never mentions whether he'll keep the car stock or not.
'"Fast" is relative. If all you aspire to beat are cars than run 14 or slower, than you will be happy with an N/A. Otherwise, no.'
This should have summed up all your questions. N/A RX-7s will run low 16's stock in the quarter. However, as I've heard around the forum, they're fairly easy to get in the low 15s and high 14s. With some work, lower 14s are possible and I would think high 13s would be the max for streetable N/As (unless you call bridgeporting/peripheral porting streetable of course).
Kenny, I don't know what your problem is... on the first page, dre2000 was CLEARLY talking about being able to beat STOCK mustangs (V8 ones) with his MODIFIED low 14's N/A 7.
"There is no way in hell a stock N/A RX7 will pull a stock fox body (assuming both are in proper tune and have the same driver of course)."
I don't think, at least most people, were arguing that (stock).
"a bone stock N/A WILL NOT BEAT a bone stock
87-93 mustang LX or GT 5.0 PERIOD"
"now if you got a lot of mods and dump
a lot of weight they will be no problem
beating a stock 5.0"
I believe that only people who stated that they could beat 5.0 mustangs were people with modified N/As.
"N/A 13b's are slow. They will always be slow."
Streetable N/A 13bs (besides the renny) won't get past (normally) high 13s. If you want to go faster than that, you should have gotten the turbo model. If high 13s is slow to you, then don't get the car. Of course stock TurboIIs must be dogs then if they run low 15s huh.
"How am I ignorant? N/A 13b's are slow - is it that hard to understand?"
You're comparing them to Vettes/FDs/etc... when the author of this thread wants to know if they'll hang with four bangers...
"Do we all agree that the N/A 2nd gen is basically a turd in a straight line then?"
Considering a modified N/A can run circles around a stock TII....
06-26-02, 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by photoresistor
"Do we all agree that the N/A 2nd gen is basically a turd in a straight line then?"
Considering a modified N/A can run circles around a stock TII....
"Do we all agree that the N/A 2nd gen is basically a turd in a straight line then?"
Considering a modified N/A can run circles around a stock TII....
06-26-02, 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by kenny
What kind of crack do you smoke? The only way you could beat a stock 5.0 (we're assuming well running 5.0's here - Fox Bodies too, not the newer piles of ****) would be if it a VERY bad driver. I mean seriously, the guy would have to shift slower than me shifting with my limp ****, miss a couple of gears and probably shift early.
I feel sorry for the turbo rx7 guys; all you N/A people are ******* tools. Your cars are turds.
What kind of crack do you smoke? The only way you could beat a stock 5.0 (we're assuming well running 5.0's here - Fox Bodies too, not the newer piles of ****) would be if it a VERY bad driver. I mean seriously, the guy would have to shift slower than me shifting with my limp ****, miss a couple of gears and probably shift early.
I feel sorry for the turbo rx7 guys; all you N/A people are ******* tools. Your cars are turds.
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06-26-02, 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Bambam7
Are you seriously saying that the older body style (sorry- not a stang expert- maybe under 92?) are faster??
FOR every one I have raced, the newer styles (especially the more angular style- 96+ maybe?)have ALWAYS given me a better race.
I am in the Mustang damn capitol of the world too- everyone and their borther has one here!!
The older 5.0's are SLOW.
Buddy- you just opened a bigger can of snakes than you can imagine.
You are also a loser.
If you are calling my car a "turd" (WTF is THAT??) I will race you ANY DAY!!! My N/A runs low 14's, and I haven't timed it since the last batch of tuning. I'll race you for MONEY$$$ if you have a 5.0, you fart talking queer!
Boy, must really suck to have nothing but a limp dick. There are drugs you can take for that you know!
Are you seriously saying that the older body style (sorry- not a stang expert- maybe under 92?) are faster??
FOR every one I have raced, the newer styles (especially the more angular style- 96+ maybe?)have ALWAYS given me a better race.
I am in the Mustang damn capitol of the world too- everyone and their borther has one here!!
The older 5.0's are SLOW.
Buddy- you just opened a bigger can of snakes than you can imagine.
You are also a loser.
If you are calling my car a "turd" (WTF is THAT??) I will race you ANY DAY!!! My N/A runs low 14's, and I haven't timed it since the last batch of tuning. I'll race you for MONEY$$$ if you have a 5.0, you fart talking queer!
Boy, must really suck to have nothing but a limp dick. There are drugs you can take for that you know!
Brad
06-26-02, 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by KNONFS
Apparently you don't know what a ported 13B with a RB intake, Holley carb, full exhaust, and Ford dif can do?
Apparently you don't know what a ported 13B with a RB intake, Holley carb, full exhaust, and Ford dif can do?
I'm still not impressed. Big deal, they found the lightest car possible, stripped it down to bare metal and used some unstreetable port.
My car has nothing to do with this. It was brought into it by the guy with the ported N/A who wanted to run for $1,000 but has since backed out.
You're comparing them to Vettes/FDs/etc... when the author of this thread wants to know if they'll hang with four bangers...
Yes, stock TII's are turds, as are stock turbo Regal's and most other turbo cars. Unlike an N/A, all you have to do is add exhaust a K&N and crank up the boost to make more power.
06-26-02, 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by KNONFS
Dipshit?!?!? No need to involve your mother in this! Watch your language around here troll!
Now back to my question\statement, and your point is?
We NEVER said he can beat your V8, so what's your point? I know of Toyota Starlet, 1st gen Rx-7, etc who can whoop some V8 ***.
See, the point is that ANYTHING can be made relatively quick, uncluding 13B NA's, comprende?!!?
Dipshit?!?!? No need to involve your mother in this! Watch your language around here troll!
Now back to my question\statement, and your point is?
We NEVER said he can beat your V8, so what's your point? I know of Toyota Starlet, 1st gen Rx-7, etc who can whoop some V8 ***.
See, the point is that ANYTHING can be made relatively quick, uncluding 13B NA's, comprende?!!?
Brad
06-26-02, 04:52 PM
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My car has nothing to do with this. It was brought into it by the guy with the ported N/A who wanted to run for $1,000 but has since backed out.
My car has nothing to do with this. It was brought into it by the guy with the ported N/A who wanted to run for $1,000 but has since backed out.
No. Other people compared them to fast cars, I simply said they where turds. Comprehension, yet again.
Yes, stock TII's are turds, as are stock turbo Regal's and most other turbo cars. Unlike an N/A, all you have to do is add exhaust a K&N and crank up the boost to make more power.
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actually... if you look back to the first page, you were the first person to talk about your El Camino and sent out a challenge. For someone who seems to constantly rank on other people for their comprehension, yours doesn't seem perfect either.
No one is perfect; didn't they teach you that in grade school?
Oh, thats right. You consider 5.0 Mustangs to be fast cars. They had very right to do so because their modified cars can run with them and sometimes beat them.
Thats nice... the fact that N/As will max out at high 13s makes them 'turds'?