Liquid Anarchy

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Very cool Tony. Not sure how far St. Charles is from Spr. I think it's around STL, isn't it? If I'm wrong, and it's closer to Springfield, you should come down/up on the 7th. I've gotten tired of not having local meets, so we're going to have one in Springpatch to let everyone meet eachother. Also; check out the Yahoo Group SPRX-7. KC has a yahoo group too, along with a forum of their own (if you're closer to them). Just trying to get everyone organized! (Told you I was a freak for organization!)

As per the whole selling in a thread thing, I've PM'ed boostd 7 about advertising on his site; I'm pretty sure that without product (just heresay at this point in time) there's no selling going on, and that's PERFECTLY fine. Correct me if I'm wrong Mods! (If you know something about this, which I'm sure Boostd is the only person 100% sure of these things)

Justin, a CF sunroof wouldn't become a "large projectile"... it would become "many, smaller sharp projectiles" either way, it's a chance I'm willing to take in order to have my sunroof come open effortlessly.

Roy James

Ok, that makes a little more sence, you didnt make that clear, but i still dont think its a great danger. If someone rolls their car on rocks, im sure the rocks crushing the car would be of more danger and the light CF sunroof exploding and killing everyone. I think that the steel (i think thats what they are) sunroofs stock would be just as dangerous, if not more due to their mass. But, reinforcing anything isnt a bad idea, though may not be nessecary.

Oh yeah, another point, you better have EVERYTHING in that car straped the **** down, because according to Justin everyone, its going to become a super high speed projectile and MURDER everyone! and tape up the glass too, we dont want that glass to break and become thousands of little "bullets". I think a CF sunroof is about 1000th on a list of **** to "reinforce" or strap down.

Drop the JB Weld, i shouldnt have to explain to completely incompetent people 100 times that the product was rated at 500* +, why shouldnt it have held up? And the last time i check the point of an experiment was to do just that, experiment. I bet no one else on the forum will use JB Weld, LoL. So what, i took one for the team. It was just a stock port motor anyways, no big loss.

RX-7Impreza

actually, yes you should strap everything down. any idiot should know that. in autoX you actually have to take EVERYTHING that can move out of the car. including the floormats. so yes according to Justin you should strap everything down, along with any other intelligent being who wants to live in a race.

oh and you dont need to tape your glass, because it is safety glass and it is ALREADY TAPED. i hate it when people try to be smart asses but have NO CLUE what they are talking about. actually i do like it, its rather ammusing.

the point with the sunroof is that the reinforcement prevents it from coming inside in the event of an accident. the reason i mentioned rolling over rocks is because they are uneven. if you roll in a field the sunroof wont have excess pressure on it relative to the surrounding framework. if you roll over a rock it could literally punch the sunroof through.

at high speed anything can kill you. from a piece of straw to a boulder, dont underestimate a crash..

oh the reason you lost your motor wasnt because it melted, no it was because you didnt secure it. the rate of expansion for metal and jb weld are different they separate when heated. others ahve done the exact same thing with jb weld, except they realized that the sleeve needed to be counterdrilled to give the epoxy something to hold on to. or an even better idea would be to put a screw from one side of the sleeve to the other and imbed it in the epoxy. the reason it screwed up was because you didnt knwo what you were doing, not because of the rating on the epoxy being wrong

Justin

RX-7Impreza

oh and I use jb weld, it is a very good product. you jsut have to know what you are doing. in fact i am going to be making a set of sleeves with it to test out different shapes for the intake charge. but then again, im not an idiot.

so i guess, you proved that idiots should not use jb weld. maybe they should put that on the tubes.

damn i am an *******

Justin

RX-7Impreza

Liquid, if you want to do it go ahead, i jsut wanted to make sure you know what you are getting into. it is doubtful that anything will ever happen, but it is a possibility. and dont expect to be allowed to autoX.

maybe charles doesnt know this, but in autoX you also have to have your sunroof shut, and i have heard that some people have to weld them on.

another thing i didnt think of. due to pressure buildup in the cabin the sunroof can actually be "shot" off the top. a guy i autoX with was testdriving a guys C5 and he hti ~140 on the high way with the windows down. the sunroof shot about 20ft inthe air. corvettes and rx7s have similar aerodynamics and this is a strong possibility if you take bracing out.

Justin

jeremy

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damn i am an *******

that can be taken with a grain of salt when you have anti-christ above your avatar.

Trav

Liquid, I would just put in the instructions that you include that "You should under no circumstances remove any factory bracing from the vehicle"... so in essence CYA from any litigation... Of course in the end it won't matter because it's who pays their lawyer the most, but at least you took the steps... Hey, if they don't install it per your instructions, it must have been a factory defect...

Kurgan

What most people don't realize is that the Pentagram has many, many, many more meanings than a symbol for Satanism. The upside down 5 pointed star is a major staple in the Mormon religion. It has also been used in numerous Pagan and ancient religions since before recorded history. Not to mention, sometimes people just like to "stir the ****" and see what happens I'm one of those people...

Anyhow, I hope your business takes off. I hope you are able to offer some outstanding products... And I hope no one ever ever EVER considers ordering from Mazdaspeed7, aka Adam Fournier, aka ripoff artist.

Good luck dude!

Alpha-TII

yea put on the instructions **** like your not responsible, accidents in FC's are like stepping on an empty soda can, i got in an accident with a jetta where the jetta practically rolled into me and totaled my car when the jetta only got a scuff, i have pics if no1 believes me so if you flip your fc you have a 1 percent chance of living...but i do recommeng keeping the bracing because that pretty cf sunroof panel could just fly right off at high speeds, then there goes the money you spent...

RX-7Impreza

1) thanks, i didnt even have to reply to that. some people act as if they even know what the anti-christ would be.... *sigh*

2) careful or you will be getting your *** in a sling for slander. i am tired of defending him. i know he didnt try to rip anybody off. people are just gonna have to realize they cant go around throwing peoples names in the dirt. there are enough people that he could sue on this forum for that, that he would never have to work again. walk softly, friend

Justin

Roy James

Justin, A-calm the **** down, you get too worked up over this, grow up and get a life. B-im not an idiot.

Ok, so the glass is safty glass, how about go and do this, as a matter of fact, ill go do it because i have like 4 windows in my yard, ill go and bust a window. What will happen? im sure as hell it WONT stay together, BUT, it WILL break into many tiny peices, similar to bullets. Ignorant my *** mother ******. I guess everyone on the forum and everywhere better go take my CD player out and speaker boxes, because the mommy said so. Hell, lets all go sue Sony and Panisonic for selling "deadly weapons" as if that **** came loose in an accident we'll all fuckind die. Or ****, you guys better get your floor mats out or that ***** going to helicopter from the floor and chop your nuts off! Look, im not against safty or anything, im just saying. I dont think these CF Sunroofs are going to impare your saftey too much.

And, who said A DAMN THING about "AutoX"?!? I SURE AS **** DIDNT! so dont bring that **** on me. Ill be honest, i have never been to an AutoX track in my life, nor do i know all the rules, but did Liquid Anarchy say anything about "this CF sunroof will be 100% safe and track legal"? didnt think so. So what exactly are you trying to get at?

Ok, once a-*******-gain with the JB weld (since some people cant learn from other peoples mistakes, or since you know everything, not learn, and just get the **** over it. GROW UP). I followed ALL the directions perfectly, and i DID roughen up the surface to what it thought to be adequate, and yes, i do think it was the products fault. But, who cares, once again, just a motor.

And about the sun roof. Once for some fun a few of my freinds dared this other "bigger" guy to jump on the sunroof till it colapsed in (it was a junk car so dont have a ******* heart attack that we were damaging perfectly good RX7 material), you know how many times it took? Two, and im sure he weighs A HELLOFA lot LESS than the weight of a car up-side-down. So, i guess even with all that support, its still a piece of impracticle deadly projectile.

Just calm down, i know you wont stop until you get the last word, but dont do it ******* degrading perfectly good people on the forum. YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN EVERYONE!

Dont bother making any smart *** remarks torward me or anything i have said as im not going to respond to such nonsence. Im going to step up and drop this ****, our little feud has gone on long enough, its just bullshit, we dont even know each other. All over a ******* VDI manifold and immaturity......

Sorry for anyone that had to read through our bullshit, everyone have a nice and safe Thanksgiving.

hypntyz7

Well, from an outside POV, I think that both you guys (Charles and Justin) need to let that **** go. It doesnt matter. We dont give a flying rat's *** about you all's beef with each other, and if you guys wanna debate this out take it in private. IM sure Im not the only one who feels this way. You have both presented what few valid points you had to make, others have read them and commented on them, now let it go.



Now then...

I think that if a CF sunroof panel gets made(unlike the pipe dreams that have never come to fruition in the past, too numerous to count) and marketed then that's great. I think it's obvious this wont be a race part. Why? Because a) race parts must comply with a high level of safety rules, and serve a purpose other than looks in order to get someone to spend the money(a real racer) on that rather than a go fast mod. b) because the heaviest part of the sunroof assembly is the frame, rails, etc and not the panel itself. I dont care how much little bracing here and there you cut out, unless you drop teh whole frame and somehow attatch your CF plate to the bare sheetmetal of the roof, you're not gonna gain anything from this mod. Except looks, which are important too. Just not to everybody.

So to recap, IMO this mod will be for cosmetical only. A few racers might buy it, but not many, theyd rather buy a new set of tires. Therefore its safety as a race mod need not be debated. By the same token, if installed in a street car, I would think it shoudl remain fully functional, meaning leaving in all the stock bracketry. This eliminates all of the concerns listed above. The biggest of which in my eyes was the threat of it flying in or out at high speed, which might not kill anybody, but could cause damage to cars behind you or persons inside.

I gotta know, why do some of you guys take this all so personal, and have to be right every time, always have the last word, about something that doesnt matter to anyone but you? I mean if someone wants to mold in a bed from a 79 ford f150 to the back of his rx-7 so he can haul bails of hay, who are you to tell him he is an idiot, he is going to die, and he shoudl listen to you? I mean really? Is it not his car to do with as he pleases? Should you have control over every modification of every rx-7 in this forum? Should we submit applications to you now?

FOr all you who fit the above profile, see below:

Kurgan

Justin, there is NOTHING wrong with talking about a vendor, especially one that STEALS money from "customers". There is no slander there. I just hope no one else has to go through what I've been through (and am STILL going through after 6 months). I'm not scarred of any idle threats of lawsuit... I've defended myself pro se and sued people pro se NUMEROUS times on my own with just the help of the local library... I know the laws, and I know how to get things done. I have not done anything wrong.

And just to keep on topic, keep up the good work. I hope your products are the damn BOMB! Let me know if you ever decide to make some carbon fiber fenders... cuz I'm looking to lose some weight on my FC

Liquid Anarchy

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Justin... you love tha' Adam-nuts.

Anyway, due to the holiday season, and other factors; I'm just now getting things ordered. Hopefully everything will come together shortly. As for the SCCA rules, safty of others, slander, Justin being an idiot, etc...

Yeah, that's special. If you're that worried about these things, then don't buy it. I'm not going to force you to.

RX-7Impreza

who wants the last word??

RX-7Impreza

hey charles. have you ever seen safety glass break??? it DOES stay together and it doesnt shatter for that exact purpose, but jsut so you know, the only window that is safety glass is he front one, not the sides.
so i guess that makes you ignorant, wanna tell us about anything else you dont know about??


i dont get worked up over this, up until now every post i made was relevant to the subject and not showing a hint of "workedup" i just like getting you pissed off cuz you spout so much bull. oh and i am not really mad about that VDI. right after that happened i decided i didnt want it anyways.

friends jumping on sunroofs???? you have such an elemental understanding of physics it humors me.

jb weld. if you understood what rate of expansion and contraction were, you would realize that "roughing" it up doesnt work. but i feel explaining basic prinicples of physics is wasted on you.

"who said a damn thing about autoX??" hmmm. i did. the way i figure. the purpose of removing the framing is to reduce weight. the purpose of reducing weight: 1 making the sunroof work better 2 making the car lighter.

lets talk about the latter. (latter means the second of the two options above) why do we make cars lighter. to be faster. why do we make cars faster?? to win races. where do many people race??? autoX or drag strips. is it so hard to understand the train of thought here???

even if he isnt trying to do it to lighten the car, it is a reasonable assumption to think about autoX and NHRA rules.

cmon, get mad.... use the caps lock button some more. spread your misnformation.

peacefully,
Justin

RX-7Impreza

i didnt bring any beef into this until just now.... this is a public forum and the 2nd gen section. all of my previous comments have been related to technical aspect of 2nd gen rx7s. so i will say whatever i want. just because the title of a thread says one thing doesnt designate it for that only.

ill admit i hate being wrong, but i dont get upset and i will admit whe i am wrong. i never told Liquid that he is an idiot for doing this. i only offered my opinion on the matter. then charles decides t act like a jerk while misreading my post and making an *** of himself. i dont care if he turns it into a RX-camino. its his car.

RX-7Impreza

why do you have to be a little bitch about it?? how am i the idiot here? because i am concerned about the safety of another human being. point out one area where i was wrong???

you need to grow up...

Justin

hypntyz7

Many of the mods will beg to differ with you, and not that I really care at this point, but if one of em sees this I can bet they'll let you hear about it.

He just said that he was offering these with a "use at your own risk" warranty. Just by the same token that Home Depot sells sheets of plywood and is not responsible if you make a plywood sunroof panel that kills you or whatever you think might happen, he would not be responsible for anything that might happen with this CF part.

IF I go to the trouble of buying this part, untested and unwarrantied for any purpose other than show, and I install it on my "fast, lightweight, race" car, then the liability and risk are ALL on me. Just like he just said,

if you like it, fine buy it, if not, fine dont buy it, but dont continue to flame and bullshit because everybody in this thread doesnt agree with you. What you are doing and saying in regards to this matter is sort of ****-like of you...youre trying to tell everyone what they can and cant do. IF you dont want to do something, or dont agree with what other people are doing, fine, let it go and forget about it. But dont flame those who like the idea.

I have nothing against you, and I have talked to you on and off this forum frequently, dont business with you and offered technical advice, and will continue to do so, but in this matter it's you against the world, and I dont agree with you. Does that mean you'll flame me too? Not that I would ever want to be, but if I were a mod I'd be sending you a PM with a warning right about now...

Roy James

Ok, so first, you dont need to tape up the glass (in the first post, its implied that you do not need to tape any of your glass, due to it being safty glass), then you say the only glass thats taped is the front one. So, we do need to tape our side and back glass? Trust me, ive broken more windows that probably 60 percent of the people on this forum. I know which is "safty" glass and which isnt. I was merley stating that the glass (obviously the side glass) would form little "dangerous bullets" (in accuality are little squares). Yeah, some more elementary phisics, but it gets the point accross. Sometimes you mistake my sarcasm for ignorance. Oh yeah, and who was using the caps?



Trust me, im not worked up, its just fun watching you attempt to degrade everyone in your path and getting pissed off. I guess we are like a married couple, just like pissing each other off .

Well, im sorry i dont have scientific data on the collapsing point of RX7 sun roofs, this is all i have to go on when considering their integrity, but it gets the point across, which is all that counts.




Well, you maybe correct, but i was only using the JB weld as "glue" for a flat metal peice. Which, it should have been able to holp up. Im not sure exactly how you could "cross drill" to make two flat (both about 1/8th" thick) peices of metal to stay bonded, so i just roughened them up as best i could. You're right, i obviously didnt know how to use it (in this case, i used to be a big fan of the JB Weld), but, as stated, it was an experiment. Now, can we drop it?

And i know what "the latter" means, you dont have to talk to me like a child.



Maybe so, for you, but maybe not everyone. I agree with that, but you cant make that assumption. Some people may just want faster cars for sunday cruises, you dont know everyone.



I have raced alot, and i personally have never been to an autoX track, and have only been to a dragstrip a few times. And i know i cant be the only one like that.



Um, obviously not



you trying to instigate something? As usual you get off on just trying to start ****.


[quote]peacefully,[quote]

How sweet. Could have fooled me.

I know i said that i wouldnt reply to your nonsence, but i just cant let someone drag my name through the dirt over nothing. Now ill just sit hear and wait for the (childish) name calling and degrading reply.

Everyone have a nice day
Charles

scathcart

I think its obvious both of you guys have no clue when it comes to physics.

Also, lets not confuse tempered glass with safety glass. Saftey glass is taped and tempered.

Roy James

and tempered?... and tempered is what? Both of you guys are right, im not much on physics, but i know just as much as i use. I have PVC cannons that can hit the 1000+ Yd mark that i planed and constructed myself.

scathcart

Tempered glass breaks into squares. Safety glass has a layer of rubber-like tape between "layers" of tapered glass. When broken, the tape holds the glass shards together.

A side window will break and fall down into millions of tiny pieces. I windshield will all crack up and the tape will stretch to leave an indentation, but not break off like a side window.

And neither of you guys have any skills in physics, not just you, Roy.

If you'd like, I can go through and explain why Liquid, yourself, and Impreza have all made incorrect physical assumptions. But personally, I would just drop it. No one is winning here.

Except me, of course. I own all of you (in physics).

scathcart

No offence man, but what do potato cannons have to do with anything? Just b/c you build something that works, doesn't give you a knowledge of physics.

Example: Do you know what kind of force you are exerting onto the the walls of the PVC? Have you calculated when it would break? Hope so... it would suck to pick PVC shards out of your face.

Me? I plan on using an old nos fogger system and some TIG welded chromoly steel for my cannon. Safely, of course, following the rules of physics.

bingoboy

hehe this thread is great

so basically this is about how the supports in this thingy being taken off will kill you . this is fun.