is my car slow?
12-21-01, 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by ReZ311
haha. well, That is what you get when you don't have a turbo. N/A rx7s are slow. period. Unless you got some major porting done. And if you are gonna argue with that, then you are stupid.
haha. well, That is what you get when you don't have a turbo. N/A rx7s are slow. period. Unless you got some major porting done. And if you are gonna argue with that, then you are stupid.
i had a 86 a while back that i wrecked, I/H/E, modded TB, removed A/C, P/S, BACV, working 6 ports, 2300lbs, ran a 14.4 in the 1/4, is that slow enough??
like i said, bring your T2 over here and race me, i might teach ya a lesson or two
no flame intended here
12-21-01, 02:15 AM
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I passed emissions when I had a 3" down pipe and a Catco cat on my n/a
If you really want a bad *** exahust.
get the RB header with the two outs. "no colector"
then call Summit and order
2 * 2.5" stainles steel pipes 5 foot long $40 ea I think
2 * 2.5" stainless steel "J" pipes ( for the bend at the rear" $$35 ea
2 * 2.5" inlet/outlet Dynomax Round Racing Mufflers $100 ea
then you can either use a high flow cat from Catco, but they aren't as good. Or summit also has Dynomax Super Converters that are stainless too. $130 ea. these are 3" for better flow
Random Tech are the best but they are $280 ea
next call around in your area to every exhaust shop and interveiw every one that says they can do stainless welding. Tell them what you want, and make sure they are confedent. If they don't say something like "Give me the time and I will give you the system you want" go somewhere else. If your shop can accually mandrel bend stainles then you don't need the "J" pipes. this would be a better way to go
I did this and the guys did an incredible job. it had the best sound I have heard on a jap car anywhere. and wasn't too loud. I had them put flanges between the header and cat, and the cat am muffler. that way if I ever burned anything out I could replace it very eisily without rebuilding the whole thing. For tips I just had them use some of the 2.5" tubing. Most tips just make the sound louder and don't improve performance. Who wants a 5" tip on the *** of their car anyway???
If you want to cut your costs by more than half... all of the parts above except the Dynomax cats com in aluminized steel too
If you really want a bad *** exahust.
get the RB header with the two outs. "no colector"
then call Summit and order
2 * 2.5" stainles steel pipes 5 foot long $40 ea I think
2 * 2.5" stainless steel "J" pipes ( for the bend at the rear" $$35 ea
2 * 2.5" inlet/outlet Dynomax Round Racing Mufflers $100 ea
then you can either use a high flow cat from Catco, but they aren't as good. Or summit also has Dynomax Super Converters that are stainless too. $130 ea. these are 3" for better flow
Random Tech are the best but they are $280 ea
next call around in your area to every exhaust shop and interveiw every one that says they can do stainless welding. Tell them what you want, and make sure they are confedent. If they don't say something like "Give me the time and I will give you the system you want" go somewhere else. If your shop can accually mandrel bend stainles then you don't need the "J" pipes. this would be a better way to go
I did this and the guys did an incredible job. it had the best sound I have heard on a jap car anywhere. and wasn't too loud. I had them put flanges between the header and cat, and the cat am muffler. that way if I ever burned anything out I could replace it very eisily without rebuilding the whole thing. For tips I just had them use some of the 2.5" tubing. Most tips just make the sound louder and don't improve performance. Who wants a 5" tip on the *** of their car anyway???
If you want to cut your costs by more than half... all of the parts above except the Dynomax cats com in aluminized steel too
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12-21-01, 02:26 AM
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seth just removed the catco cat off the car and it was hollow after not much driving. you need a good quality cat. I hear good things about random tech.
12-21-01, 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
16's aren't "quick". My modded out NA wasn't "quick". To me, "quick" doesn't start till at least low 14s...... I guess I've been around actual fast cars too long
16's aren't "quick". My modded out NA wasn't "quick". To me, "quick" doesn't start till at least low 14s...... I guess I've been around actual fast cars too long
And 1/4 miles times are not everything.
12-21-01, 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
I missed the part where I said that. Care to point it out for me?
I missed the part where I said that. Care to point it out for me?
16's aren't "quick". My modded out NA wasn't "quick". To me, "quick" doesn't start till at least low 14s......
Anyway
Why even have this conversation? It's obvious to me that you and I have different views on what quick is. It's a pointless argument that no one will win because speed is reletive. I happen to think that a stock n/a is a quick car. You do not. That's fine, but you don't have to roll your eyes at it.
12-21-01, 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by supergoat
If you would like me to private message your quote to you as well, I will.
Anyway Why even have this conversation? It's obvious to me that you and I have different views on what quick is. It's a pointless argument that no one will win because speed is reletive. I happen to think that a stock n/a is a quick car. You do not. That's fine, but you don't have to roll your eyes at it.
If you would like me to private message your quote to you as well, I will.
Anyway
Why even have this conversation? It's obvious to me that you and I have different views on what quick is. It's a pointless argument that no one will win because speed is reletive. I happen to think that a stock n/a is a quick car. You do not. That's fine, but you don't have to roll your eyes at it.
12-21-01, 03:58 AM
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That I can agree on. At the time I got my N/A I was not looking for exceptional speed. I just wanted a fun, reletively quick car for cheap. Now that I have modded it some it keeps me happy. Brute acceleration would be great, and that's why I'm going to college. So when I get out I can get myself a job to help me pay for a car that has it. 
12-21-01, 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by stickgoat
Uhh...no ma'am.
No offense, but that was kind of an ignorant thing to say. there are plenty of N/A FCs out there with power comparable to TIIs...
Uhh...no ma'am.
No offense, but that was kind of an ignorant thing to say.
there are plenty of N/A FCs out there with power comparable to TIIs...
12-21-01, 05:51 AM
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Originally posted by darkwaveboi
Even a RP or RB header wouldnt pass actual emissions, or the 'visual test' (or however you wanna call it).
Even a RP or RB header wouldnt pass actual emissions, or the 'visual test' (or however you wanna call it).
12-21-01, 06:17 AM
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Re: is my car slow?
Originally posted by rotaryracer1
her is the deal, i keep losing drag races to these damn preludes that are relitively stock, maybe an intake or something. my friend has a 92 prelude vtec with intake only and he beat me by a car length and yesterday i raced another one that looked stock and he beat me by two car lengths, whats the deal. i have an 86 gxl with a k&n cone filter, mindtrain header, bonez high flow cat, and apexi dunk cat back, and plugs and wires but i dont think that matters. should i be faster or is my car just slow. is this a common problem among N/A owners. after that happend i really thought long and hard about an atkinsrotary supercharger and i think im going to do it. no losing to hondas.
her is the deal, i keep losing drag races to these damn preludes that are relitively stock, maybe an intake or something. my friend has a 92 prelude vtec with intake only and he beat me by a car length and yesterday i raced another one that looked stock and he beat me by two car lengths, whats the deal. i have an 86 gxl with a k&n cone filter, mindtrain header, bonez high flow cat, and apexi dunk cat back, and plugs and wires but i dont think that matters. should i be faster or is my car just slow. is this a common problem among N/A owners. after that happend i really thought long and hard about an atkinsrotary supercharger and i think im going to do it. no losing to hondas.
Is youy car running right? 6 ports opening/closing? If you are considering the Atkins supercharger you'll have to go with a carburator setup. If you are willing to go the Carb route, I'll say try it first without the supercharger.......THERE'S ALOT of POWER GAINS with a carb setup.
I've raced a few Preludes in my 91 NA FC, and have toast them REAL BAD (where I just kept going and going). However I don't know if the ones I've raced where Vtecs or not.......DAMN RICEBOYS with stickers.
12-21-01, 10:12 AM
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Yo,
Actually, I think the rest of the NA gang gave a pretty good account of themselves without my usual rantings! *grin* Good job!
KS
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Actually, I think the rest of the NA gang gave a pretty good account of themselves without my usual rantings! *grin* Good job!
KS
1989 GTUs "Just get 'em in the corners..."
12-21-01, 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by KNONFS
Time for a BIG port, RB intake manifold, Holley 550(assuming you have a full free flow exhaust)
No, but seriously what kind of mods does your car have?
Time for a BIG port, RB intake manifold, Holley 550(assuming you have a full free flow exhaust)
No, but seriously what kind of mods does your car have?
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12-21-01, 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by KNONFS
No, but seriously what kind of mods does your car have?
No, but seriously what kind of mods does your car have?
12-21-01, 01:44 PM
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Learn how to launch...
One car length is about 0.1 of a second.  That's enough time if you blinked at the start, there's your lead.
I find it hard to believe that you're optimizing your launch - most people don't know how to launch correctly in the first place.  I don't mean to sound rude, but it took me MONTHS of practicing at a drag strip to get my 60' times down under 2.2 seconds (and this is not even that good!).
The cars should be close enough that it could be anyone's win.  Practicing your launch from a dead start should give you the edge everytime, especially over a FWD.
-Ted
One car length is about 0.1 of a second.  That's enough time if you blinked at the start, there's your lead.
I find it hard to believe that you're optimizing your launch - most people don't know how to launch correctly in the first place.  I don't mean to sound rude, but it took me MONTHS of practicing at a drag strip to get my 60' times down under 2.2 seconds (and this is not even that good!).
The cars should be close enough that it could be anyone's win.  Practicing your launch from a dead start should give you the edge everytime, especially over a FWD.
-Ted
12-21-01, 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by RETed
Learn how to launch...
One car length is about 0.1 of a second.  That's enough time if you blinked at the start, there's your lead.
I find it hard to believe that you're optimizing your launch - most people don't know how to launch correctly in the first place.  I don't mean to sound rude, but it took me MONTHS of practicing at a drag strip to get my 60' times down under 2.2 seconds (and this is not even that good!).
The cars should be close enough that it could be anyone's win.  Practicing your launch from a dead start should give you the edge everytime, especially over a FWD.
-Ted
Learn how to launch...
One car length is about 0.1 of a second.  That's enough time if you blinked at the start, there's your lead.
I find it hard to believe that you're optimizing your launch - most people don't know how to launch correctly in the first place.  I don't mean to sound rude, but it took me MONTHS of practicing at a drag strip to get my 60' times down under 2.2 seconds (and this is not even that good!).
The cars should be close enough that it could be anyone's win.  Practicing your launch from a dead start should give you the edge everytime, especially over a FWD.
-Ted
12-21-01, 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by mazdaspeed7
I would definately agree with you there. RX7's seem to be especially picky on being launched. Im just starting to get a hang on launching my car, and Ive had it for 2 years.
I would definately agree with you there. RX7's seem to be especially picky on being launched. Im just starting to get a hang on launching my car, and Ive had it for 2 years.
I messed with a lot of launch RPM ranges.  At 5kRPM, it would bog a little.  At 6kRPM, all hell broke loose as it spun and wheel hopped like mad!
I think a lot of us run with nothing in the hatch or clear everything out to lose as much weight.  This makes for a pretty light rear end which makes it even harder to get the rear end to plant nicely.
-Ted
12-21-01, 02:23 PM
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Re: Re: is my car slow?
Originally posted by KNONFS
Well first thing is first, you are competing against cars that have 50hp more than you. Second, the vtecs get ALOT of power from a free flow intake (I've seen up to 10hp @ the wheels, in some cases even more ) and not so much from a exhaust.
Is youy car running right? 6 ports opening/closing? If you are considering the Atkins supercharger you'll have to go with a carburator setup. If you are willing to go the Carb route, I'll say try it first without the supercharger.......THERE'S ALOT of POWER GAINS with a carb setup.
I've raced a few Preludes in my 91 NA FC, and have toast them REAL BAD (where I just kept going and going). However I don't know if the ones I've raced where Vtecs or not.......DAMN RICEBOYS with stickers.
Well first thing is first, you are competing against cars that have 50hp more than you. Second, the vtecs get ALOT of power from a free flow intake (I've seen up to 10hp @ the wheels, in some cases even more ) and not so much from a exhaust.
Is youy car running right? 6 ports opening/closing? If you are considering the Atkins supercharger you'll have to go with a carburator setup. If you are willing to go the Carb route, I'll say try it first without the supercharger.......THERE'S ALOT of POWER GAINS with a carb setup.
I've raced a few Preludes in my 91 NA FC, and have toast them REAL BAD (where I just kept going and going). However I don't know if the ones I've raced where Vtecs or not.......DAMN RICEBOYS with stickers.