i thought copper was illegal to use on vehicles?

 

Amazing. i guess some people dont understand that trying new ideas, creating and building it yourself with your own hands is more enjoyable than putting something together of bunch o parts that are already made.

Great job, cant wait to see the car running.

 

Uh, some people need to learn to READ. He ended up NOT using the copper piping in his car, as there was not enough room to clamp onto.

 

It is also illegal to tamper with any emisisons systems implemented from the factory. It is also illegal to remove any smog equipment implemented from the factory. I guess people should not mod there cars, as it is..illegal.

 

Copper is illegal to use as brake line, not as part of the car's heating system.

 

ya know, you REALLY should wipe that permanent marker that says "dick head alert" of your forehead!!! i simply asked a question..no need for hate my friend..

 

Aaron Great work mate.

the knockers are just dicks who are jealous mate.
personally Id love the time, skill and tools to be able to do this, but I don't

I hope the results speak for them selves

 

yeah, he does do good work...

 

Awesome DIY man, Wish I could weld and fabricate like that. What HP are you shooting for? Know that once you get done it's time. Knowing you didn't just open a can of whoopass but also made the whoopass must put a smile on your face.

 

I'm looking forward to it running, and maybe you can give us another video of it.

 

Poke for ya aaron, good job Im looking at doing somthing similar, i duno if i will but this is somewhat inspirational... Im looking at just porting the Aux ports and throwing on a turbo@4-6psi. how much power are you looking to throw down? and are you Upgrading/Using TII Driveline or the NA stuff?

also, WHO CARES WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE??? as long as it holds together and he doesnt have wires going everywhere and looking more like sloppy workmanship, who cares? there was someone using PVC pipe for IC piping... theres a difference from it looking Getto and him using alternative methods...

 

Hahaha when I'm out driving and I see all these ghetto FC's I wonder to myself "who the **** owns these things" I guess I just found out. I'm not sure what's funnier Aaron actually doing this to his car or the fact there are hacks out there praising this as some sort of great advancement. This is just scary, I can't wait to see what's next I predict duct tape seat belts.

 

why you have to be a dick about this man....i dont see you trying any of your own stuff...all he is doing is trying new ideas and you have to go and laugh at him....i will be laughing when his all custom motor beats the **** out of your car.......so if all your going to do is be a dick then keep it to yourself...

 

that is truly impressive I can't believe people are trying to bash on this guy...keep up the good work man...I saw someone comment on Greddy HKS and Apex'i where do you think all of those guys starting making performance parts? probably like this guy is now... and to the OP keep up the excellent work and post it!

 

the german comunity - "Hey wankel, why in the hell are you trying to design something like that... it looks half assed. Why not just use whats already been created?"

that was an actual quote... lol. If wankel thought like that... we may not be here talking about our beloved RX7s... INGINUITY!!!(did i spell that right?) Its people like aaron, that are just a bit "Eccentric"

 

I'm excited to see yours as well. Hopefully soon we will both be at a meet. Honestly it will be refreshing to see a few cars that aren't cookie-cutter copies of the others.

Me too...I have an '84 GSL-SE but I just can't bear to keep it stock...Building a peripheral ported 13B as soon as the housings come back from the machine shop. Going to likely run the stock dizzy, Megasquirt for fuel, intake trumpets out of the hood, etc.

Yeah, I've lost count of how many that I've broken, melted or have otherwise failed.

I'll cover the heater pipes a little later in the reply since I don't want to show you any hostility.

You people amaze me. I guess I have my answer as to why no one checks the FAQ before they post. Clearly, there is a large amount of people here who simply do not read!

I'm going to make this very, very clear so that anyone looking at this thread knows:

THOSE HEATER PIPES WERE AN EXPERIMENT, ONE THAT FAILED. I DID NOT USE THEM BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH CLAMPING SURFACE ON THE ENDS TO SEAL UP PROPERLY.

Now I really wish that I had made them properly and left enough clamping surface because the more and more people complain about them, the more I want them on my car. It's absolutely amazing that I am being criticised by people who have probably not fabricated a single thing of consequence in their entire lives, because real fabricators know not to discount any source of materials if they will do the job. Copper piping has a LONG history in the automotive industry being used for everything from fuel to coolant lines. Most radiators are copper. Did you know that the heater core and it's plumbing in the RX-7 is copper?

I don't even know why I'm commenting since these people will never get it and it's likely a waste of time to reply.

"Riding on their armchairs, they dream of wealth and fame;
Fear is their companion, Nintendo is their game;
'Never Done Jack' and 'Two Thumbs Don' and sidekick 'Don't Say Dick';
They laugh at other's failures;
Though they have not done ****"
(Has Been - William Shatner)

I guess you don't know what brazing is...Soldering is a process whereby two materials are jointed by using a low-melting point alloy to adhere them. Generally this is done at a very low temperature, 280-400 degrees or so with most soldering being done around 350. Brazing is a much more involved process which offers greater strength then soldering (strength that is fundamentally equal to a weld) and can withstand higher pressures. Brazing is done by heating the materials to be joined until they are cherry red (actual temperature varies with materials but 800+ degrees is a starting point) after applying flux and then melting a brazing material into the joint. Generally the brazing rods are bronze based for joining steel, copper, bronze, etc. but there are other rods for different purposes. Pre-fluxed rods are common and what I use. Brazing requires a MUCH higher heat input then soldering which causes some materials (like copper) to form thin oxide layer as they cool. That is the black/red staining you see around the joints. A simple bit of buffing with a wire wheel restores the original copper colour and you are left with a VERY strong and leak proof joint that will not melt at high temperatures.

Thanks for the positive comments. I should be used to this behaviour by now since the exact same thing happened when I did first turbo-NA writeup years ago...Ah well...

I'm actually not sure. HP potential will primarily depend on what turbo I chose since I have the EMS and fuel capacity to support whatever I want to run. With a fresh ported engine I don't think it's unrealistic to say at least 400HP.

Every day I get more excited about driving the car, and knowing that almost where ever I go, I will be the ONLY ONE that knows truly how much goes into a project like this...People see these shows on TV where a bunch of loud mouthed builders throw something together over the course of an hour and they think they know...but they don't.

You can count on it. In fact I'm planning to post the first startup in real-time. From initially priming the fuel system to the first time the engine runs it will be uncut and unedited.

Power was answered earlier...Yes, I'm still on the NA drivetrain. The only real upgraded part is the driveshaft because I have broken two of them. The transmission was rebuilt by a local shop since it ran a little low on oil the last time I drove the car and was about to eat itself.

I'm betting that soon I'll be needing to upgrade the NA drivetrain and I have some seriously interesting plans that DO NOT involve a TII transmission or 5 lug conversion.

Well, I care what it looks like. I did not take pictures of the heater pies as I was test fitting them onto the car otherwise people would have seen that the brazed joints were sanded smooth and the entire think painted gloss black. No one would even know that it was plumbing pipe unless I told them...Now I'm really regretting that they didn't fit...

Actually I think it's rather funny that you keep commenting yet never actually did find time to read the thread...

And if you even have a single worm-gear style hose clamp on your car holding pressure, then it is many times more "ghetto" then mine.

 

Eccentric...ROFL. Maybe.
Unconventional definitely.
Ghetto? I highly doubt you've ever seen what people do to cars out here in the south. Like turning a redneck Camaro into a 4x4, Now that's ghetto.
Wait till we see the finished product before passing judgement.
I doubt any of the Bashers and Flamers have even done anything this complicated.

 

hurry up and get it finish im getting inpatient , you have done very nice work to the car , post some more pics




Ohyea for the haters -

 

I'd imagine that most of the people posting comments saying my work is "ghetto" have never actually seen the process of something being fabricated. In their mind, raw materials go into a black box then come out as a finished product at the other end.

 

Hope that doesn't end up badly.


Wait, which ones are the worm-gear style hose clamps? If they're the ones I have...



****, I can't even assemble a model airplane.

I respect what others can do that I can't as long as it's a process worth respecting (such as this).

 

Cool project!! My concern is the compressor housing...looks quite small to feed a bridge ported motor??

good luck!!

 

amen to that! i remember when i was wiring up my microtech some kid had come over to pick up my old wheels that he was buying for his prelude. (later he found out they didnt even fit his bolt pattern, HA!) anyway, i was in the middle of wiring and of course had a nice mess of different color wires everywhere, nothing taped up or organized at all, and the first thing he says is 'wow this thing sure is ghetto rigged'. what a jackass.

 

yup, i made a point of it when i did my last salvage run.

 

Sometimes failure is worth as much as success, but I expect it to work out fine.

The little clamps that are available at auto parts stores and hardware stores. They don't provide even clamping pressure and tend to chew up the hose. Also, since you have to crank on them to get a good seal they will distort softer fittings.

A lot of people use them on fuel injection line which is wrong...Fuel injection clamps are like mini t-bolt clamps and are available at most auto parts stores.

As it says in this thread and the other ones, I'm just using the stock turbo for breakin since it means I can drive the car without having to fabricate a new manifold...Once the engine is broken in I'll be upgrading...

Heh, that would have doubled the price of his wheels if he was talking to me... Or in the sprit of Soup-****, "No wheels for you!".

 

this car is NOT ghetto rigged!
back the hell off the kid....i bet most of us have never even thought about some of the things hes created...
if you want ghetto rigged check under my hood..