Mazda. + s4 - s5 differences (mazda gone cheap! nooo.... never... ) ;)
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Originally posted by RETed
In Honolulu, Hawaii, the dealers were listing them at $26,000 and change.
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In Honolulu, Hawaii, the dealers were listing them at $26,000 and change.
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Also, Mazda started to try and get the weight down.
Getting it under 3000 lbs. was a big deal, and there are a lot of compromise parts that are made of plastic that were designed to get the weight down. Examples are the end links and the thermostat housing neck.
I think in general, the Kouki cars are much better made than the Zenki FC's. Just look at the interior - the center console bezel and door panels are much nicer in the Kouki FC's.
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Getting it under 3000 lbs. was a big deal, and there are a lot of compromise parts that are made of plastic that were designed to get the weight down. Examples are the end links and the thermostat housing neck.
I think in general, the Kouki cars are much better made than the Zenki FC's. Just look at the interior - the center console bezel and door panels are much nicer in the Kouki FC's.
-Ted
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Mark, I seriously don't think the problem with the S5's temp gauge is the sender - it's the gauge itself. I bet the gauge could be modified like the FD guys do to make the reading linear.
I think some of the cost cutting was to offset the added cost of many of the new standard features, and also the added quality of many of the parts. Lord knows the S5 radio console is a quantum leap better than the S4's!
Anyhow, it's hard to understand some of Mazda's logic .
Dale
I think some of the cost cutting was to offset the added cost of many of the new standard features, and also the added quality of many of the parts. Lord knows the S5 radio console is a quantum leap better than the S4's!
Anyhow, it's hard to understand some of Mazda's logic .
Dale
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Originally posted by dcfc3s
Mark, I seriously don't think the problem with the S5's temp gauge is the sender - it's the gauge itself. I bet the gauge could be modified like the FD guys do to make the reading linear.
I think some of the cost cutting was to offset the added cost of many of the new standard features, and also the added quality of many of the parts. Lord knows the S5 radio console is a quantum leap better than the S4's!
Anyhow, it's hard to understand some of Mazda's logic .
Dale
Mark, I seriously don't think the problem with the S5's temp gauge is the sender - it's the gauge itself. I bet the gauge could be modified like the FD guys do to make the reading linear.
I think some of the cost cutting was to offset the added cost of many of the new standard features, and also the added quality of many of the parts. Lord knows the S5 radio console is a quantum leap better than the S4's!
Anyhow, it's hard to understand some of Mazda's logic .
Dale
Why there is a S5 cluster in my carI have been trying to figure out why my speedo is off by 5MPH even though I have swapped rear end gearing and tranny gears... so I thought maybe the speedo itself was off since 5MPH is the maximum factory deviation).
Dale: BTW, your wiper switch is on its way back to you all rebuilt!
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Originally posted by Icemark
Actaully The temp gauge was fine on the S5 cars (other than it is smaller then the S4 gauge).
Its the sender that they screwed up on.
A S5 gauge using a S4 sender works great. Problem is that most Mazda dealers have disconntinued to carry the S4 sensor, since the S5 one screws right in to replace it.
Actaully The temp gauge was fine on the S5 cars (other than it is smaller then the S4 gauge).
Its the sender that they screwed up on.
A S5 gauge using a S4 sender works great. Problem is that most Mazda dealers have disconntinued to carry the S4 sensor, since the S5 one screws right in to replace it.
s5's, as I understand It, received hand-me-down parts from a surplus of s4's parts thus resulting In some s5's having non typical options and functions. That Is as I understand It and I'd probably not say for all given models.
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theres no s5 na with an lsd. except the gtus
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Originally posted by hpram99
thank me for that one :P
anyway, what about the 'verts? They are supposedly the most expensive of the bunch, so I'd love to know where mazda went cheap on convertibles.
thank me for that one :P
anyway, what about the 'verts? They are supposedly the most expensive of the bunch, so I'd love to know where mazda went cheap on convertibles.
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Temp gauges (and gas level gauges) were designed to run non-linear for your typical stupid consumer. Surveys have showed that if the needle moved too much, most drivers would become overly worried. The gauges were characterized to only move when necessary. So you're basically undoing what most car manufacturers design into the system.
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Originally posted by RETed
Also, Mazda started to try and get the weight down.
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Also, Mazda started to try and get the weight down.
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Originally posted by RETed
Temp gauges (and gas level gauges) were designed to run non-linear for your typical stupid consumer.
-Ted
Temp gauges (and gas level gauges) were designed to run non-linear for your typical stupid consumer.
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exactly!! on the gas gauge there is so much buffer built in to it. once i drove around for about 40 mies after it passed "E" then i put 3 gal in and it just barely bumped back up to "E".
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that might be out of context but an s5 is about 150lbs more than an s4. or to put it another way my 20b is within 110lbs of a gtus...
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Originally posted by hpram99
someone mentioned the FD guys modify their temp guage to make the reading linear, I'd really prefer to keep the stock guage, is it possible to do this with an fc?
someone mentioned the FD guys modify their temp guage to make the reading linear, I'd really prefer to keep the stock guage, is it possible to do this with an fc?
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Originally posted by MtnRacer Aluminum underbelly pans were standard on S4 TII's, non existant on S5 TII's(as far as I have seen). [/B]
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The temp gauge still has no scale, so it's not that much more useful. An aftermarket gauge is much better.
The temp gauge still has no scale, so it's not that much more useful. An aftermarket gauge is much better.
what do you mean 'has no scale' ??
I will retain the stock guage, so I'm wondering if there is a way to make it better while it's there.
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Originally posted by hpram99
what do you mean 'has no scale' ??
what do you mean 'has no scale' ??
That's the exact reason why I have an aftermarket water temp guage in my car.
Last edited by Kai; 01-17-04 at 12:02 AM.
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No scale, as in it has no temperature markings. It's either cold, hot, or somewhere inbetween. It's not like an aftermarket gauge where you can say it is exactly X degrees, you can only say it is so far between hot and cold.
That's the exact reason why I have an aftermarket water temp guage in my car.
No scale, as in it has no temperature markings. It's either cold, hot, or somewhere inbetween. It's not like an aftermarket gauge where you can say it is exactly X degrees, you can only say it is so far between hot and cold.
That's the exact reason why I have an aftermarket water temp guage in my car.
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Originally posted by NZConvertible
The temp gauge still has no scale, so it's not that much more useful. An aftermarket gauge is much better.
The temp gauge still has no scale, so it's not that much more useful. An aftermarket gauge is much better.
Then throw out the aftermarket gauge
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I was thinking of something like that... except using an external digital guage and marking the stock one, or simply taking a mental note of which points are what temperature. But my guage doesn't ever move above 'normal' in the middle of the guage. So would switching to an s4 sender fix this? and would the guage be linear?