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Old 02-10-04 | 02:04 PM
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no i didnt, he just had one in stock and told me he had one, no extra charge, and i know it wouldnt matter anyways, because i got a much better port and rebuild and a couple of other little things. all the manifolds flow better, and the turbo ive heard from many ppl is a little bit better too, not really enough to make a huge difference
Turbo and intake manifolds are identical to any other S5 13BT
Old 02-10-04 | 02:09 PM
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You may have bought an engine that someone had already done some work on, but there are no differences between stock Infini engines and other FC engines.
Old 02-10-04 | 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by NZConvertible
You may have bought an engine that someone had already done some work on, but there are no differences between stock Infini engines and other FC engines.
That is assuming that it is in the same seris turbo... for instance the Inifini IV will not have the same as an S5 N/A, nor will it have the same as an S4 TII.
Old 02-10-04 | 02:42 PM
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I thought that was pretty obvious...
Old 02-10-04 | 03:41 PM
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I drive the Infini made in January 1988, imported from Japan. It has round back lights, typical of Series 5 but Series 5 come out later. Can anyone explain this?

Did all Infini models had round back lights? What were the differences between various Infini models I-IV?
Old 02-10-04 | 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by DrEvil
I drive the Infini made in January 1988, imported from Japan. It has round back lights, typical of Series 5 but Series 5 come out later. Can anyone explain this?
Is the rest of the car S5 or just the taillights? If it's just the lights they've just been swapped in by a previous owner.
Old 02-10-04 | 06:02 PM
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It is very very common to have a Japanese car that the owner has tried to make look like a newer model.
Old 02-10-04 | 06:10 PM
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How can I tell the difference? I thought the only difference between S4 and S5 externally are the tail lights, and the engine has extra 10 kW in S5?
Old 02-10-04 | 06:12 PM
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How can I tell the difference? I thought the only difference between S4 and S5 externally are the tail lights, and the engine has extra 10 kW in S5?

Forgot to mention ... my RX has a front spoiler which is nearly vertical and has mounted white fog lights.
Old 02-10-04 | 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by DrEvil
How can I tell the difference? I thought the only difference between S4 and S5 externally are the tail lights, and the engine has extra 10 kW in S5?

Forgot to mention ... my RX has a front spoiler which is nearly vertical and has mounted white fog lights.
In 1989, halfway through its expected build life, the FC RX-7 saw a multitude of small refinements. Rotary engine technology had had continued its advance in the 3 years. The engines themselves used new lighter, higher compression rotors. The combustion recesses on the rotors were fully machined and chromed for heat control. With the machining, the compression ratios of each of the rotor's combustion chambers as well as rotor weight, could be more closely matched. The side seal thickness was reduced from 1.0 mm to 0.7 mm. The compression ratio for the normally aspirated models jumped to 9.7 and 9.0 for the turbo respectively (up from the 9.4 and 8.5). For both increased emission restrictions and better engine management the engine computer was speed was doubled.
On the normally aspirated (NA) engines the changes allowed the redline to be increased to 8000 RPM. A rotary valve was added between the intake tracks which started opening at 4500 RPM. This variable dynamic intake (VDI) valve enhanced the DEI (Dynamic Effect Intake) by altering the length of the fuel/air mixture path based on engine speed and load. The airflow meter was also changed from the flapper type to a linear type for cost, reduced air resistance and more precise measurement. The oil metering pump was changed from a mechanical pump to an electronic model for more effective lubrication and reduced oil consumption. These engine modifications raised the output of the NA 13B to 160 HP @ 7000 RPM and 140 lb/ft of torque @ 4000 RPM. The power band was effectively widened, giving more usable power at lower RPMs.

The Turbo II received a new turbocharger. Mazda called it the "Completely Independent Twin Scroll". The impeller was fed directly at the exhaust port. The Mazda press release in 1989 said: “This permits the powerful exhaust pulse generated by the opening of the exhaust port to directly hit the turbine blades without interference from the exhaust from the other rotor." This newer design resulted in reduced turbo lag and increased torque. The new electronically controlled wastegate allowed higher boost pressures and quicker response. The modifications resulted in the peak torque smoothed through the 2000 to 5000 RPM band. The horsepower also climbed another 18 ponies to give the revised Turbo II a Mazda claimed total of 200 horse power @ 6500 RPM and 196 lb-ft of torque at 3500 RPM.

The automatic transmission was now electronically controlled with a "hold" mode that allowed the transmission to be shifted manually in the lower three gears. Plastic end links and ball joint mountings were used on the sway bars to reduce noise, harshness, and vibration. Vehicle speed sensitive power steering became standard on the Turbo II, but in all GTU (base)normally aspirated models, a less accurate and cheaper engine speed sensitive power steering was used. The fuel tank was increased to 18.5 gallons across the line.

Inside the car, shifting was enhanced by a revised shift rod mechanism, and a shorter shift rod. Leather was used to cover the shift ****, steering wheel, and hand brake in all models except the GTU (base) model. The seats were re-contoured for better lateral support. The temperature, fuel, voltage, and oil pressure gauges were placed in round recesses rather than the pie wedges that were used previously and a minor revision was made to the instrument surround. The center console radio, shifter and Logicon (climate control) surrounds were slightly re-contoured with a new rubberized material and the Logicon itself getting updated icons for air direction. A new parcel shelf was added that hid items in the hatch area for GXL and Turbo versions. Controversial motorized seat belts became standard on the coupes in the USA and black became an interior color option with the gray interiors no longer available. The Limited Slip Differential found on the Series 4 GXL and GTU was dropped on the Series 5 cars to save weight and costs.

Exterior cosmetic changes included new a body trim strip that now matched the car color. The front bumper was slightly reshaped with the nose cap restyled with the word MAZDA embossed rather than the decal found on the '86-'88 models. On the upper level models integrated 55 watt fog lights were placed above the brake vents in the front bumper. The radiator opening was reshaped. A new slightly larger rear spoiler similar to the one found of the Turbo II and GTU in '88 became standard on all coupes. A slightly more rounded version of the Turbo II Aero mirrors also became standard across all models. On the Turbo II a new front spoiler and integrated side skirts replaced the 88 models Aero kit. And finally new tail lights finished off the exterior body changes.
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Old 02-10-04 | 06:42 PM
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I really hope you copied and pasted that from somewhere
Old 02-10-04 | 10:41 PM
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I really hope you copied and pasted that from somewhere
yeah, from my web page
Old 02-11-04 | 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by Icemark
In 1989, halfway through its expected build life, the FC RX-7 saw a multitude of small refinements.... ....The side seal thickness was reduced from 1.0 mm to 0.7 mm.

You sure about that? I was nearly 100% positive that was a 1986+ thing. (ie. only <1985 had the large side seals)
Old 02-11-04 | 12:44 AM
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89+ used the .7 side seals... perhaps you are confusing the side seals with the apex seals, which switched from 3mm in 84-85 to the 2mm in 86+
Old 02-11-04 | 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Icemark
89+ used the .7 side seals... perhaps you are confusing the side seals with the apex seals, which switched from 3mm in 84-85 to the 2mm in 86+
No, not getting the two confused, I just went outside and measured the side seal slot on my S4 N/A rotors, and its definatly 0.7mm, not 1mm.

So I hate to say it but I think you may be wrong on that one point there..
Old 02-11-04 | 01:02 AM
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No, not getting the two confused, I just went outside and measured the side seal slot on my S4 N/A rotors, and its definatly 0.7mm, not 1mm.

So I hate to say it but I think you may be wrong on that one point there..
I'll reconfirm and post the results in the morning
Old 02-11-04 | 01:05 AM
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I'll reconfirm and post the results in the morning
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Old 02-11-04 | 01:42 AM
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Icemark,

According to car and driver the Infini IV comes with a larger diameter high performance exhaust and the car was quoted at 215HP. the car sat about 1/2 inch lower thanks to some slightly stiffer and lower springs and they also included a front strut brace and a momo corse steering wheel. US mags were allowed to test the Infini IV from mazda as a "prelude to the next RX-7" (FD)
Old 02-11-04 | 10:50 AM
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Icemark,

According to car and driver the Infini IV comes with a larger diameter high performance exhaust and the car was quoted at 215HP. the car sat about 1/2 inch lower thanks to some slightly stiffer and lower springs and they also included a front strut brace and a momo corse steering wheel. US mags were allowed to test the Infini IV from mazda as a "prelude to the next RX-7" (FD)
again from my website:

Also in 1991 Mazda created the Japanese market only Infini IV (pronounced on`-Fin-ee).

Stripped of all Mazda or RX-7 identification, this was the last limited edition ultra high performance version of the 2nd-generation RX-7. A factory hot rod, the Infini IV was lightened (to 2770 lb.), by stripping out the extras, reducing the noise dampening material and using lighter parts including lightweight, perforated suede like material racing style seats. With a revised suspension (shocks 25% stiffer, springs 10% stiffer and lowered 1") Special Pirelli designed P-Zero tires, ultra lightweight 16 inch BBS wheels and a bright red front strut brace, the handling improved to a skidpad of .91 Gs. The Infini IV (as with most 91 models) also came with the tighter steering rack from the 89-90 North American GTUs model. Molded knee Pads at the driver's door side and center console were added to help brace the driver's legs while cornering, while a "dead pedal" bar ran the length of the passengers floor. An emergency flare and holder were also mounted just under the glove box.

Similar again to the US spec 1989 and 1990 GTUs the Infini IV came with the 4.3 rear end final gear, minimal extras, but no air conditioning, or even a CD/Cassette (however it did come with power windows and used the light weight power window motors from the convertibles). Power was bumped to 215 HP (JIS), largely by changing the exhaust to a free flowing design and revised ECU. 0-60 performance was 6.5 and the quarter mile time dropped to 14.9, with Infini specific brake pads helping make an impressively matching braking force of 60-0 in 141 ft (8 feet less than the standard RX-7 Turbo). The Infini IV was only available in a custom black/green metallic paint. Unfortunately, the Infini IV was not imported to North America other than a single press version that was returned back to Japan after the press tour.

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hehe sorry ice, I just caught your post before about the car not being more powerful but you were just refering to the actual motor etc...being the same. I have an RX-7 history book with that article in it, the car looks beautiful!!
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The thing I think was most intresting, was that the braking was pretty noticably improved (8ft better from 60-0 and 14 ft shorter from 80-0) by simply lighter wheels and a better brake pad.

No funky crossdrilled or slotted rotors... simply wheel weight and brake pad upgrades.
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I'm sure the tires contribute...PZEROs are sticky hehe
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Originally posted by jon88se
hehe sorry ice, I just caught your post before about the car not being more powerful but you were just refering to the actual motor etc...being the same. I have an RX-7 history book with that article in it, the car looks beautiful!!
That article from the color history of the rx-7 is full of ****. Don't trust much of what it says. I've been working on a translation of a Mazda Infini III media brochure from japan. When I'm done, I'll post a PDF of it(translated) up here. It's really neat! About 14 pages of glossy photos, filled with text, should be a good read.

Steve

P.S. You can find the seats on auctions.yahoo.co.jp, they pop up every once in a while. Just need to find someone to ship them for you. Most of the parts I've been able to collect for my infini project car have been through online auction or personal contacts in japan.
Old 02-12-04 | 01:49 AM
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You have the wheels?
Old 02-12-04 | 02:39 AM
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I've had a couple of chances to grab some. I passed on both sets. One set had a warped wheel(no good for the racnig I'm planning on doing). Another set was in Japan, but the asshat wanted an outrageous fee for shipping, couldn't talk him down. Eventually what I'll probably do is get some from yahoo.co.jp and have them shipped to my gf's place in tokyo, and then pick them up personally

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