rotary1990twin

well here she is to date. almost done just need to plumb oil and intercooler lines and radiator hoses. Almost there. Shes becoming a sexy lil biatch. lol think the intercooler will fit after i weld on end tanks. i got lucky the 3in down pipe fit no prob.

krackerx7

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nice swap man if im ever that far south i would like to check it out sometime

AUGieDogie

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wow that is sexy bitch!

I was going to do a 13bt transfer into my vert but this is tempting.

SonicRaT

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There's a reason why the FD guys ditch those twins. If you're so worried about spool... A GT30R oughta do ya just fine

rotary1990twin

dude seriously why dont you quit your hating. I got a single set up ready to go on after the turbos go. all you do is bitch and moan, nothing positive. get a life bro.

RETed

Dude, I think you should open your eyes.
You're giving yourself too much credit.
Just look at the subject line...

I've worked on such a project as far back as 1998 - 1999.
You're like 5 years too late.
Nobody ever said it was impossible...

I realize that some people just have to brag about their cars.
This is a public forum.
Expect flak for your bragging...


-Ted

rotary1990twin

first off im not bragging i was just trying to shed a little light on this often talked about but almost never done swap. more people would do it if they knew that it wasnt very difficult to do. second you say you worked on such a project, not owned or completed entirely by your self. Alot of people on this forum are very negative, always saying what i should do, well its my car so any one who whants to dictate what i do to it can go screw themselfs.

RETed

You got a problem with English comprehension.
I never said it was impossible to do.
I never, at any time, tell you what to do with your car.

Yes, it wasn't my car.
It was my business partner's car.
I would never stuff a 13B-REW into my FC.
It's a royal waste of time.
Like I said before, I would rather stuff a 20B into my FC.
Now that, I think, is more worth the cost and hassle.

I don't see the advantage of running a 13B-REW into an FC.
Mainly it's just the novelty in it due to the fact that it is a rare conversion - it's rare for a reason.
You're going to be making the same power as a ported 13BT.
You've got maybe 100hp more ceiling on the power max, but who runs 600hp+ on the street?
In the end, the 13BT is simpler...has about the same potential...and is cheaper.
Dowel the 13BT and everything is a leveled playing field.

I don't build my cars to impress people.
I build my cars for myself.


-Ted

Madrx7racer

Rotary1990Twin: chillax bro.... it IS your car.......but if you don't want to hear it then don't post it. There WILL be some people that will dig the MIGHTY TWIN TURBO ROTARY POWAH......but those of us with a clue know that it's not cost effective and will not yield a significant HP over a 13BT.....they are not bitching and moaning at you....they are trying to EXPLAIN WHY THEY THINK IT IS NOT A WISE SWAP...You do not agree, which is fine, but at least respect their opinions and maybe LISTEN because you never know when their advice will come in handy. There is a reason why their post count is high, and while you say it's them being losers, THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS will tell you that they are knowledgeable and their advice has helped thousands of RX7 owners because MAYBE, JUST MAYBE THEY KNOW WHAT THE **** THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. I hope you make money doing this but you will need to target a specific age range that will be gullible to think that it is the most awesome swap AND be able to spend the cash on it.....And I would like and exact quote on parts and labor(hours) to get a car out of your shop running.

hondasuck

.................................................. .............................WoW

MARTIN

Just because someone has many post counts dont mean ****. Someone could come from PR and him been building rotaries for 20+ years... SO it doesnt mean ****. Especially with the ammount of post ****** on here. He stated he had the parts to do the swap laying in his shop, so why not. I would prolly do it too.

So ted you say do a 3 rotor swap. Everyone knows that you cant do a 3 rotor swap with less than 3900. Yes, maybe yall would benefit more from a 13bt since its a direct swap and all this, and because the average fc owner wants to spend the least money possible... but being a 3rd gen motor, it opens up the doors for more aftermarket selections, mainly in the ecu and turbo swap area....even though 13bt's have a wide selection already, but its mostly for the plugnplay type. I personally think the swap is not bad and if you got 3900 to spend to make your car turbo, then Id say go for it. And the best part, is that you dont have to lift a finger. Just drop the car off and pick it up..

Why do you want a quote if you are not getting it done?? I wouldnt give you **** after the way you talked.

RETed

I wouldn't say "can't".
I would claim it's "highly improbable".


Oh, you gotta be kidding me.
Personally, I'd go the route of a Haltech.
The Haltech doesn't care if it's a 13B, 13BT, or a 13B-REW.
You should know that.
So your argument about the "ECU" doesn't make any sense.

As for the turbo, HKS cast + T04 is about what most people can handle.
It can be argued that the FC 13BT is cheaper when you hash out all the details.
Again, your argument doesn't make any sense.
If you're going to argue "exotic" turbo kit swaps (i.e. A'PEXi RX6 / AX75, Blitz KKK, HKS T51R, etc.), I think this kinda options is blowing the budget.
You DID mentioned budget, right?


Plug-n-play...no such thing unless you got a fat wallet.

Drop the car off and get it it running?
What kinda performace is guaranteed?
What kinda guarantee do you get?
Does the original poster actually have a legitimate shop / business?
It sounds shady to me - the whole thing smells like someone trying to make some side money?


Again, for the people who don't have a concept on what a FORUM is...I have every right to comment on any thread that is "public", as long as I don't break any of the forums rules.
You have every right to IGNORE me.
This personal bashing is getting old; you have a problem with me SEND ME A PM.
Your personal hate towards me has NOTHING to do with this thread, and it contributes NOTHING useful.



-Ted

rotary1990twin

yes i do have a shop it is opening on june 19th in our new location we are having a bbq it is posted here pay attenition shady my *** that was a cheap price. the car will be there for the bbq address is 115 gerth st tumwater wa 98512. dyno pulls for cheap 35 bucks for first pull 15 after that 15 extra for wideband hook up for tuning. we out grew our old shop so we got a new one three huge bays 4500 sq. ft. Ofice and show room. Custom Imports
Brandon

Node

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WOW

What a bunch of haters/bitching and I only read page 7 and 8

love the conversion. Sequential twins are fun as hell and I like that you moved it down and back too.

I think you should keep the sequentials and run a power fc to keep it somewhat unique. if not then its just a fancy motor swap. the twins add to the mystique not to mention theyre a great system when properly running.


I'm sure sonicrat and ted may jump all over me for my reply, but sometimes its not about practicality or hp/dollar.

Awesome swap, two thumbs up!

now time to read page 1 and the rest. lol

Node

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uhm dude, you are pulling magical horsepower numbers out of your ***


you can get around 390rwhp w/ ported motor, stock twins, full exhaust, intake and standalone plus some fuel on a FD. no downpipe ecu and more boost. 300rwhp is also near maxed out safe range of the FDs stock fuel system.

You later contradict the exact thing you said.

390hp on a T2 w/ magical ecu and more boost w/ just downpipe and stock injectors.........thats rwhp i assume? yeaaaaaaaaah, roight

I also don't understand how you're saying FD is a way better motor because of strong housings? that was only the s4
and never knew the RE's have weak housings, and what on the housing cracks?



Love your swap and whatnot but your claimed dyno numbers are the impossible part.
I'll gladly accept being a dumbass if you can post some dyno maps and prove this is stock fuel system and downpipe only on these numbers


Also, how much are you getting front clips for? $3900 is a great price to include frontclip plus installation and several custom parts (mount and downpipe). also how are you tuning stock ecu? or is that for people who buy power fc's?

-Ben Martin

hondahater

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oh man why is everyone flaming? ANd I don't mean gay Nice braket you made, let us know how it holds up! Also lets see the engine bay when done!

MARTIN

FIrst of all that last part was not intended to you. I have no problem with you whats so ever and infact sometimes I even ask you for help on my projects.. That comment was intended for the guy that I quoted.... Anyways I guess you are rigt about the ecu thing....

rotary1990twin

im not worried

BUMBLEBEE7

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VERY NICE JOB!!!good luck with i hope you kick major ***. Im runing a stock 13bt with stock ECU, 720cc PRI and 720cc SEC, stock intercooler in a toyota corolla SR5. I was told it would not work, I was told the stock ECU would not work and it was all BS. People are affraid of experiment they dont want to fabricate thei own. I upgrade to 720cc PRI and 1600cc SEC and a T70 turbo all on the stock ECU and wiring, 3inch exhaust with 4.88 gears. I also have rotary starlet.

Node

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mind answering my second post?
just wanting to see where you're getting your hp numbers, and you blatently contradicted yourself
kthxbye,
Ben Martin

Node

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are you running a piggyback of any sort? what fuel pump


thats pretty crazy, t70 and 1680s on stock ecu
what sorta psi are you running? any problems with hitting fuel cut?

Madrx7racer

I asked for a quote INCLUDING LABOR TIME to see where he get's his $3900 price tag.....I don't want the swap because
A) he's too far,
B) I can prolly push as much HP with my own 13BT (although I am stopping at 350rwhp) and
C) I don't see it as a cost effective swap for anyone BUT the original owner......

in my first posts I said it was cool BECAUSE HE HAD EVERYTHING HE NEEDED but other owners will not have that luxury.so I would still like to know how many man hours and how much $$ in parts it will cost to get a car RUNNING out of his shop......cuz 3900 seems cheap.......too cheap.

RotaryResurrection

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Looks like a hack job to me, but hey, what do I know...I've only been working with rotaries for years now. This new guy can school us all. Before long there will be a sticky on top of the FC section about how to get your turbo 2 into the 10's for less than $3000. After 15-20 years of the FC being on the street, this guy is going to come along and unlock all the doors that no one else could.



As for the comparison of rew vs 13bt, it's not that big a deal. The irons on the rew are greatly reinforced, but rarely does someone break a 13bt iron anyway. As already mentioned some doweling takes care of that weakness. Rotorhousings and rotors are the same basic thing between the 2, in fact s4 13bt rotors are much stronger than s5/s6 rotors.

The only real gain of the rew comes with the intake port and manifold setup, which is advanced over the 13bt. Stock vs stock, you gain about 50hp on an rew, but a t2 gains about 50hp with a full exhaust and fuel pump. The rew swap costs around $3000-4000 at cheapest, yet a full exhaust for a t2 costs $800. Somehow, this **** isn't adding up for me...maybe the new guy knows some advanced form of math that the rest of us aren't aware of.

Even if you decide you want more hp than stock, it doesn't add up. Stock rew twins max out around 350-360rwhp, so well use that as our ceiling. To get that from an rew requires fuel, exhaust, pfc, and intercooler upgrades. Plus the cost of the rew swap into FC itself. Plan on about 7 grand to get the engine swapped in, and for al the mods to get 350rwhp.

Take a stock t2, put on a custom t04 turbo, 4 injectors, an safc or better yet a haltech, full exhaust, and an intercooler and you're going to get the same 350rwhp. This will cost 2 or 3 thousand less, though. The math still doesnt work, for me anyway.

BUMBLEBEE7

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no piggy back. i do have a walbro fuel pump and fuel doesn't cut. the ECU control the injectors and the coils. Everything is stock except for inj, fuel pump, #8 to engine and #6 back to tank. I installed a MSD pack for spark and the TPS is not connected. If i was to tell you the recipe is from Puerto Rico would that make a difference. NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE.
its all in the tuning.

Madrx7racer

RotaryRessurection: how much do you charge in labor per hour?

I know an established local ROTARY shop here charges 85/hr (he's been working on rotaries since the late 70's when he was a tech for Mazda)...back when I didn't know anything about rotaries and my coolant seals were destroyed I had to have my engine rebuilt......I was charged 4K for everything including the labor to uninstall and re-install everything into my T2.....that did not include any custom fabbing which is OBVIOUSLY needed to get the REW to fit right in the FC.....I know that I can do the same job NOW for a lot less but that's because I am not charging LABOR to myself....

it cost me 800 bux( in misc. parts and tools) to swap in my 13BT into my GTUs( after i totalled my TII with $4K in rebuild crap ) but I had EVERYTHING needed and it was a direct PLUG and play swap which this 13B-REW swap is not.