rotary1990twin

this forum is nothing but a bucha of haters. this motor is cappible of more hp. yeah it may only have 260hp but thats stock. whats the stock rating of the original fc. this platform has so much more potential. I for one am done posting on this forum. i get more love from the nissan guys. who respect that i am trying to be different then the same old 13bt in the fc. theres this little thing called originality.

rotary1990twin

as for a write up. find out your self how to do it my way is obviosly wrong......

J-Rat

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Oh yeah, I gotta agree with you there!

SonicRaT

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How does the REW platform have any more potential? Compare the price of the used blocks, then take what you have left over from that difference, and stick it into the 13BT, and you'll have considerably more potential for less. The blocks can handle pretty much equal power once rebuilt. Simply put it goes back to what was said earlier, if you have it laying around it's cool to do and different, but it's just not a very well thought idea to go dumping $4k+ into for a stock setup (when you could have a 13BT at damn near 400+rwhp for that)

MARTIN

Actually he did a very good job. There are a bunch of haters in here though.. If you dont do the typical thing everyone will go after you.. But guys think about it, you have a complete swap for $3900. To all of those n/a guys this is a great deal.
Either way actually, its a great deal... Try to find a shop that would the swap with everything included for that ammount...Not to mention, most guys that do the turbo swap dont usually go all out and upgrade everything when they throw it in. Remember guys this is a shop doing all the work, you drive there and you come back with a new car... I for one rather start with 250BHP than with 180 or 200. Not to mention, the ability to up the boost. Right now I am done with my motor work, but if I woulda had this option from the begining then I woulda done it.. RE is better than a 13bt but I would prefer an rew... If the rew's were the same price as the re's then everyone would be all over the rew...

fcfdfan

Dayum, is that all it takes? All props to the threadstarter, but ronbros3's approach seems like an elegantly simple solution. Any comments?

rotary1990twin

only problem with his is if you tap too deep it weaken the housing. and will crack uner exteam conditions. Also if you ever srip out or break a bolt you have to buy a new housing and start all over.

rotary1990twin

They will handle the same AFTER the rebuild but you have to put 2000 into a rebuild. the rew has lighter rotors and stonger housings. Plus you can get more for less so to speak with the twins. You can easily get 390 to the wheels with ecu down pipe boost cotroller fmic and more boost. You have to upgrade the turbo port work ecu injectors and many more mods to get the same output in the 13bt. Well se ill be at the august import race at pacific raceways any one that doubts my swap will see it there will have video up.

staticguitar313

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your going to have to prove this swaps worth if oyu want me as a customer, otherwise, i'm buying sonicrats n/a turbo kit

MARTIN

Hes not trying to convince you to buy anything. Wtf is wrong with some people. Look you cant compare a whole swap, with a fukin turbo kit. And sonicrats kits is for those that either cant switch or swap their n/a motor or dont want to.. he is doing a complete swap, which means not having to worry about going over 5psi I.E. plus its as rew motor, which means many benefits over a stock 13b. And for the guy doing the swap, the motor mounts go on the plate not housing... its hard to see an intermediate plate crack..

SonicRaT

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What exactly do you have to worry about over 5psi? Surely you aren't going to be dumb enough to say that higher compression somehow means you can't run over 5psi? If that's the case, I better run and change my boost controller from 19...

MARTIN

THats not what im saying, but what are your mods? im curious to know, because I hope you are not suggesting to your customers to bolt on the kit and go around boosting 20 psi...

SonicRaT

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It all depends on what turbo they use and what fuel setup they use. Just because it's high compression doesn't magically mean it's going to blow-up. It's the same as a TII, with PROPER tuning and mods, you can do whatever you want with it. However, all I've been using to support 19psi is an SAFC, 4x720 injectors, and a FMIC, stock ports on a motor with 180k miles on it. Last time I dyno'd it was at 406rwhp @ 16psi. It's all relative.

MARTIN

Look I am gunna be running a high comp turbo motor next tear down. I am all for your kit, it gives the na guys another choice over swaping... I never said past five its gunna blow up. but look at your mods, how many of them are gunna do all your mods as soon as they drop it in?

SonicRaT

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I never mentioned my kit, everybody else started talking about it. *shrug* Quite honestly, that part isn't up to me. If people want to run the stock turbo, stock fuel, they can up to about 8-10psi with an SAFC, after that it requires an upgraded fuel pump/larger injectors, they get to select that, I can't really idiotproof that part of it (nobody can). That's not really the arguement I was making earlier, what I have been saying is, that while being unique, the REW simply just doesn't justify the cost, and reliability, we all know the REW isn't one to look at for that (how many FD owners do you know of on the stock engine at 100k miles?).

MARTIN

How many owners, have actually put 100k miles on their car??? Usually they have had 2,3,or even 4 owners by that mileage... I beleive that the engine lasting 35 to 50k miles while in your hands is good enough....

SonicRaT

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Even that has proven tricky for some FD owners,

limbar85

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wow.....this post of becoming bull crap. how can you guys not support this!? rotary1990twin....this project is really badass. i dont see why people are dissing this. it has so much more potential over our bt's or even re's. looks at it, if we just regularly spent 4g on our cars now, we would be into the 350-400 horses or so? at that range, im not saying reliability is absolutely gone, but it has definantly decreased a greater amount then stock. rew's will do 300-350 very much more reliable than bt's and re's would. it just seems like everyone in this fc forum section isnt looking far enough ahead because of the common "were poorer and cant afford fd's so we just have fc's". rotary1990twin's car has so much more potential in the long run, so everyone get out of this little bubble and think far ahead. its so much easier to find **** for rew's too. anyways....sweet project man. im still waitin for the final pics of the mounts and everything.

SonicRaT

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This is where you seem to be rather far off. To begin, the 13BT can support about 400-450 in stock ports pretty reliably (so long as it's tuned). So can the REW. The REW has the reinforced rear dowel (the s5's do as well, though not as much), and harder gears. Now... Figure that you can upgrade to a s5 rear iron, and upgrade your gears, AND rebuild your motor and port the **** out of it, and still be less than the cost of a longblock REW, and have an engine that fits in the car without having to modify anything. So then you can take the extra $1500 or more it'll cost to make the twins work properly and for the brace and to install it, and dump that into a turbo and a standalone or whatever mods you want, and you can EASILY be higher than the REW. Nobody here is saying it's not cool or impressive, all we've said is that it's not cost effective. And consider that almost EVERY FD you find is rebuilt or lost an engine at 80-90k miles, you really can't argue reliability (since TII's commonly make it to 150k+). Yes, FC owners are cheap, that doesn't mean that we don't have common sense though. And if you consider my car a cheap setup, well, then, so are most FD single setups too.

ForsakenRX7

Wait, maybe I'm confused. Thats all your using to support a high compression turbo motor? What turbo are you using for this?

SonicRaT

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It's all about tuning. If you don't run the thing stupid lean, there's no reason why it'll blow up, and if you don't go throwing an assload of heated air into it, once again, it'll be fine. That was on a hybrid.

ForsakenRX7

wow, that gives me good hope of "power on a budget"

NZConvertible

I agree with everything you said (particularly the bit about value for money), but I believe the twin-turbos are a complete non-issue. For starters, most people aren't going to bother getting them to work properly. They'll either run them sequentially and be happy or upgrade to the same big single you suggest. Hell, you could easily stick an FC turbo on if you wanted to. But the fact that the motor comes with twin-turbos does not need to add any cost to the swap.

RETed

My, my...

First of all, how ddi you align the motor?
Did you "center" it or did you mount it like how an FC 13B would normally sit (i.e. off-center - suprising, huh).
This brings up the question of possibly premature failure of the u-joints due to (pengaroo mentioned) angle-of-attack...

Second, the stock twin turbos of junk.
I dunno if you did your research, but FD guys are throwing them away like they were going out of style.
Single turbo upgrades are the trend.

Personally, I think $3,900 is way too much for what you get.
13B-REW motors are coming down in price - J-spec long blocks are around $1,500 if you show around.
This means you're still charging around $2,000 for the install and tune.
Someone with some bar iron and a MIG welder can do this in a weekend.
Even with $1,000 invested in the MIG, you're still ahead.
Trying to cater to the FC owners bunch you gotta think cheap.
I don't think you'd get more than half a dozen serious folks that would take you up on your offer...I think you'd be lucky if you get 1 or 2.

Don't take this as a flame.
I'm just trying to help you with my experience doing this kinda thing for way too long...


-Ted

SonicRaT

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Yeah, I know. But that generally ruins the uniqueness that they were talking about.