I how to get 300 hp out of my N/A?
09-07-07, 03:08 PM
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Yeah. If I were the OP, I would just admit to myself it isn't happening and go on. What makes you think that if he is such a jerk and bashing your car so bad(as you claim), that he would keep his word and give you the car if(and that is a big, probably never going to happen if) you actually beat his vette? Face it, RX-7 are fun because they are light and entertaining to drive. They are not world-beaters. You can go as fast as you can afford as the old saying goes. Want to beat him on the cheap? Drag Race=Motorcycle. Auto-X= Miata.
Ive watched moderatly preped FDs STOMP C5 and C6 Z06s all over the track.
There is video of this if anyone wants to doubt that.'
Also a miata isnt the answer to a vette. lol Miatas are fast and fun but suffer from lack of power just like NA Rx-7s. Even the turbo ones (which are not slow) still dont quite have the umph to keep up with a z06, assuming comparative driver skill leveles.
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09-07-07, 03:14 PM
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You are right RockLobster. FD's are quite capable of keeping Corvettes busy on the track, but FD's are in a totally different class than FB's and FC's as far as price and performance. My GSL-SE/TII swap is capable of keeping with stock FD's in a straight line, but wouldn't have a chance at the track without some serious suspension mods. FD's are for people who could afford a Vette, but choose an RX-7 instead. FB's and FC's are for those who can't afford either.
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09-07-07, 03:41 PM
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You are right RockLobster. FD's are quite capable of keeping Corvettes busy on the track, but FD's are in a totally different class than FB's and FC's as far as price and performance. My GSL-SE/TII swap is capable of keeping with stock FD's in a straight line, but wouldn't have a chance at the track without some serious suspension mods. FD's are for people who could afford a Vette, but choose an RX-7 instead. FB's and FC's are for those who can't afford either.
09-07-07, 03:57 PM
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Where is the truth!?
09-07-07, 04:05 PM
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You guys are missing my point. Just because an FD can do something as good as a vette shouldn't be used to as a catch-all for RX's. FD's cost as much as a vette new and used and therefore are in a different class than the more affordable FB'S and FC's. There are nice built FB's and FC's that have more money into them than it would cost for an FD, but they are most likely the exceptions.
09-07-07, 04:56 PM
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You can build an FD including used purchase price that will smoke a Z06 for half the price of a New Z06, straight line, road racing, etc etc. Which is saying something being that the new Z06 is about the most bang for the buck of ANY new perfromance car.
Also FDs are fine reliability wise if you strip all the crap off the engine and run a single turbo setup with some other reliability mods. FDs suffer from stuipid owners more than ACTUAL reliabity problems.
Also FDs are fine reliability wise if you strip all the crap off the engine and run a single turbo setup with some other reliability mods. FDs suffer from stuipid owners more than ACTUAL reliabity problems.
09-07-07, 05:07 PM
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Also FDs are fine reliability wise if you strip all the crap off the engine and run a single turbo setup with some other reliability mods. FDs suffer from stuipid owners more than ACTUAL reliabity problems.
Couldn't have said it better myself RockLobster.
Couldn't have said it better myself RockLobster.
09-07-07, 06:25 PM
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I watched this thread from the beginning and decided not to post for obvious reasons but rocklobster made me post.
That's pretty much all I have to say on this subject.
Originally Posted by rocklobster
Rotaries don't tolerate stupidity.
That's pretty much all I have to say on this subject.
09-07-07, 07:11 PM
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In case you guys didn't pick up on this I gave up on the N/A rotary idea about two pages ago, lol.
I've learned that N/A's are garbage w/ no low end power or torque and nothing respectable at the top end either (assuming its even remotely streetable). If FB's and FC's are for people that can't afford FD's then N/A's are like a second string consolation prize for people that can't even afford a TII. Cool for a daily, but getting walked by miatas isn't cool.
Anyways, if that vette is so uber rare, you're right, I won't get it even if I do win, but I could but some money on it. Or we could swap cars for a week or who knows. I'll have the respect, and he'll have to shut his mouth.
I've done a little research (no thanks to the search engine
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91 - Out.
Ok.
In light of the number of people (who know rotaries much better than I) that say this just isn't possible, I guess I'll give up. I'll prolly sell it (since I got it for practically nothing) and get a TII.
My neighbor will prolly talk the same ****, cuz I don't think he respects rotaries at all turbo or not. Little does he know....
I was just hoping I could build up what I already had to get the job done. But I'll prolly drive this around and work on "becoming a better driver" until I can afford to build up a turbo.
In light of the number of people (who know rotaries much better than I) that say this just isn't possible, I guess I'll give up. I'll prolly sell it (since I got it for practically nothing) and get a TII.
My neighbor will prolly talk the same ****, cuz I don't think he respects rotaries at all turbo or not. Little does he know....
I was just hoping I could build up what I already had to get the job done. But I'll prolly drive this around and work on "becoming a better driver" until I can afford to build up a turbo.
Anyways, if that vette is so uber rare, you're right, I won't get it even if I do win, but I could but some money on it. Or we could swap cars for a week or who knows. I'll have the respect, and he'll have to shut his mouth.
I've done a little research (no thanks to the search engine
) and I've seen plenty of 13bt builds making nice power so thats what I'm doing. It might take a little while, but if that vette's as rare as people say I'm sure it ain't goin no where any time soon.91 - Out.
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09-07-07, 07:13 PM
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$10k for a 20B swap. $6k and a load of time to DIY.
A peripheral port isn't cheap/easy either, and it's weak on low end power.
To raise redline you need good bearings, finely balanced rotors, etc. Do a search. This will give the most benefit when combined with some kind of porting.
Basically, it'll take a whole lot of time and money regardless of how you approach it. N/A isn't the best way to get 300HP. Plus people tend to underestimate how much 300HP really is. Especially on a lightweight, short geared car like an RX-7. Really there might be no point except to show off. I mean, look at the 400HP Corvette. Its 0-60 is 5 seconds flat. That's nice, but not for 400HP. It's heavier than an RX-7, it's geared very tall and it has very poor low end torque (gasp!). Its 0-30 is the same as an RX-8, and worse than an s2000 (both cars are well known to be poor at the low end). So it's great for rich old men who like to brag and save gas (and brag about having 400HP while getting good mileage at the same time). On the flipside a Lotus Elise is 190HP and its 0-60 is 4.6 seconds. It weighs a bit over 2000lbs.
Slap on some nitrous & tuning for bragging rights, then disconnect the nitrous system or get another car to actually drive around. Do basic mods and weight reduction on that car.
A peripheral port isn't cheap/easy either, and it's weak on low end power.
To raise redline you need good bearings, finely balanced rotors, etc. Do a search. This will give the most benefit when combined with some kind of porting.
Basically, it'll take a whole lot of time and money regardless of how you approach it. N/A isn't the best way to get 300HP. Plus people tend to underestimate how much 300HP really is. Especially on a lightweight, short geared car like an RX-7. Really there might be no point except to show off. I mean, look at the 400HP Corvette. Its 0-60 is 5 seconds flat. That's nice, but not for 400HP. It's heavier than an RX-7, it's geared very tall and it has very poor low end torque (gasp!). Its 0-30 is the same as an RX-8, and worse than an s2000 (both cars are well known to be poor at the low end). So it's great for rich old men who like to brag and save gas (and brag about having 400HP while getting good mileage at the same time). On the flipside a Lotus Elise is 190HP and its 0-60 is 4.6 seconds. It weighs a bit over 2000lbs.
Slap on some nitrous & tuning for bragging rights, then disconnect the nitrous system or get another car to actually drive around. Do basic mods and weight reduction on that car.
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09-07-07, 07:46 PM
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I've learned that N/A's are garbage w/ no low end power or torque and nothing respectable at the top end either (assuming its even remotely streetable). If FB's and FC's are for people that can't afford FD's then N/A's are like a second string consolation prize for people that can't even afford a TII. Cool for a daily, but getting walked by miatas isn't cool.
leave some respect for the n/a. im going to keep mine n/a.. ill pick up a t2 to blow up later on in life.
09-07-07, 09:24 PM
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Respect is earned, and anemic performance isn't exactly that best way to do that 
Especially when the same (or better) handling can be found in a nearly identical package that doesn't suffer from the aforementioned malady.
Rereading that last post, maybe I was a little harsh. N/A's aren't "garbage" just like NFL Europe isn't garbage. They're both tools used to prepare for the real thing.
Especially when the same (or better) handling can be found in a nearly identical package that doesn't suffer from the aforementioned malady.
.. ill pick up a t2 to blow up later on in life.
Rereading that last post, maybe I was a little harsh. N/A's aren't "garbage" just like NFL Europe isn't garbage. They're both tools used to prepare for the real thing.
09-07-07, 09:41 PM
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You are severely underestimating the N/A. Sure, its not as powerful as some of the newer sport cars, or even the TII, but its still one of the quickest cars available in its price range. Its light, has decent power, and handles better than ANYTHING under $4000.
But then again I would expect that from someone who thinks going from an 80's camaro to any seven is a downgrade. Maybe you should sell it and get a mustang.
--Alex
But then again I would expect that from someone who thinks going from an 80's camaro to any seven is a downgrade. Maybe you should sell it and get a mustang.
--Alex
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just thought i'd throw my 2 cents in since i've been grinning at this thread from the beginning. rotaries werent built for drag racing, but they do accell in autocrossing with less mod work than many other cars. true n/a's arent as capable to hit high hp numbers as a boosted rotor engine, but you can give a TII a run for its money in certain instances if you know your car better. i know that i had a lot less understeer in my old n/a because of the 100lb or so weight difference, even though 100lbs isnt that much. its about enjoying the car, and beating people on the street will come in time with more experience and modding if you want it. i dunno... thats just my ideas on it all. i've owned both and had tons of fun in both, but theres always someone out there thats got a faster car than you, nothin you can do about that
09-07-07, 09:48 PM
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nice FF quote in the sig- NA 7s are a blast and take a pounding in their stock form, just because a car has no turbo, that does not mean it a starter kit for the "real" thing, and NFL Europe blows.
Sorry for the short rant but I couldnt hold back any longer
Sorry for the short rant but I couldnt hold back any longer
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Raptor22:
1) are you trying to say a TII can't be had for under $4000? ....lol
2) I only meant a "downgrade" in power. I would put my money on a 7 w/ no engine in a downhill race against a camero.
FC3sBoosted:
Understeer is just a matter of suspension tuning (from what I've seen). If thats the only advantage N/A has over turbo, I think I'll stick w/ my original opinion. I agree w/ everything else in your post.
1) are you trying to say a TII can't be had for under $4000? ....lol
2) I only meant a "downgrade" in power. I would put my money on a 7 w/ no engine in a downhill race against a camero.
FC3sBoosted:
Understeer is just a matter of suspension tuning (from what I've seen). If thats the only advantage N/A has over turbo, I think I'll stick w/ my original opinion. I agree w/ everything else in your post.