How much presure does it take to opin the 6 ports on an S5 from the air pump?
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Originally posted by SoloIIdrift
So Sniper,
Since you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge on this subject, what would it take to get the 6 ports to open if you were fitting a '90 Motor to the 87 Chassis? Any ideas? Should the ACV and airpump do it automatically?
Obviously it won't be controlled by the ECU...
So Sniper,
Since you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge on this subject, what would it take to get the 6 ports to open if you were fitting a '90 Motor to the 87 Chassis? Any ideas? Should the ACV and airpump do it automatically?
Obviously it won't be controlled by the ECU...
Another way would to be by the header from RB. On the RB single systems (For S-4s), the ports are actuated by the pickup tube in the presilencer. The tube goes into the silencer and makes a 90 degree turn so it faces into the exhaust stream. It is the EXHAUST FLOW and not backpressure that actuates the 6p. (This is why the ports still work fine with aftermarket cat-back systems which are lower backpressure) If you just stick a tube into the pipe it won't do dick. The location and diameter of the pick-up pipe are very important for the timing of the actuators. The exhaust then runs back up the split air pipe to the operate actuators (on an S-4). It's easiest to just buy the part from RB and be done with it (ask me how I know)
RB also makes a HEADER designed to actuate the ports on S-4s and s5s without a presilencer. In this set-up, a small pickup tube is placed on the front rotor header tube. The port for the tube is located in a position so the exhaust has a straight shot to it as it exits the engine. You either just plug the outlet hose onto the actuators (S-4) or to the hose on the ACV (S-5) (The pick-up tube provides the positive pressure necessary to actuate the 6p and the VDI) This is the setup I have on my S-5(with true dual exhaust) and it allows me to ditch the air-pump.
There are also write-ups on how to use electric servos in place of the dashpots to work the actuators. If you search this site, there's plenty of info on it.
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Originally posted by Sniper_X
Wow, hmmm...
No you would have to use the earlier way of doing it.
Also verify that the ports on your car push or pull to open the sleeves.
The 1989+ cars PUSH UP to open the sleeves.
You will have to downconvert the mechanism to work like the car originally would have worked.
(Sinde the ecu wont open the valve)
Now you COULD use a RPM switch to open the vacuum switch from a 89+ car. that would emulate the 89+ecu function you are missing.
Wow, hmmm...
No you would have to use the earlier way of doing it.
Also verify that the ports on your car push or pull to open the sleeves.
The 1989+ cars PUSH UP to open the sleeves.
You will have to downconvert the mechanism to work like the car originally would have worked.
(Sinde the ecu wont open the valve)
Now you COULD use a RPM switch to open the vacuum switch from a 89+ car. that would emulate the 89+ecu function you are missing.
The entire motor is a 1990, so I'm assuming it's the PUSH UP style.
I'm confused, so on the motor, I could use an rpm switch to open the ACV or vac line that would open the 6 ports and VDI?
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Originally posted by Mark S
If your putting the s5 motor into an s4 you'd be using the s5 ecu, correct? Just make sure you swap the air pump and acv stuff and you'll be fine. You will also need to plug the 2nd hose off the S-4 split air pipe (the small one) cause the S5 system won't use it.
If your putting the s5 motor into an s4 you'd be using the s5 ecu, correct? Just make sure you swap the air pump and acv stuff and you'll be fine. You will also need to plug the 2nd hose off the S-4 split air pipe (the small one) cause the S5 system won't use it.
Nope, I'll be using the S4 ECU/stuff, swapping the injectors and TPS from the S4 car onto the S5 motor.
Oh what a headache I have now, so basically I should use an RPM switch to activate the 6ports and VDI right?
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Originally posted by banzaitoyota
What are you using to control the Electric OMP on the S5??
What are you using to control the Electric OMP on the S5??
#31
Originally posted by NZConvertible
No S/C that will flow enough for a 13B is going to fit where the air pump was.
The actuation idea should work in theory, because at ~3500rpm when the aux ports normally open, the S/C would be producing enough pressure to operate the actuators. The S4 actuators only need 2.1psi to fully open the ports, the S5 ones 1.4psi, so you would definitely need to use a pressure reducing valve (not a damper) so as not to risk popping the diaphragms in the actuators at full boost.
This idea is much better than your last two...
No S/C that will flow enough for a 13B is going to fit where the air pump was.
The actuation idea should work in theory, because at ~3500rpm when the aux ports normally open, the S/C would be producing enough pressure to operate the actuators. The S4 actuators only need 2.1psi to fully open the ports, the S5 ones 1.4psi, so you would definitely need to use a pressure reducing valve (not a damper) so as not to risk popping the diaphragms in the actuators at full boost.
This idea is much better than your last two...
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#32
Originally posted by SoloIIdrift
Nope, I'll be using the S4 ECU/stuff, swapping the injectors and TPS from the S4 car onto the S5 motor.
Oh what a headache I have now, so basically I should use an RPM switch to activate the 6ports and VDI right?
Nope, I'll be using the S4 ECU/stuff, swapping the injectors and TPS from the S4 car onto the S5 motor.
Oh what a headache I have now, so basically I should use an RPM switch to activate the 6ports and VDI right?
I think the bracket is different for the TPS as well. Not a big deal, but one more thing to worry about.
You sure you just don't want to get an ECU and harness from a JY? (Also try www.mazdasurplus.com if you want new parts) The ECU is supposed to be twice as fast as the S-4 as well.
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Ok I don't have the time to read all the posts so sorry If this was already mentioned.
they begin to open at 1.5 PSI and are fully open at 3 PSI which is between 3500 and 4500 (I think).
they begin to open at 1.5 PSI and are fully open at 3 PSI which is between 3500 and 4500 (I think).
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Originally posted by redstreak
Ok I don't have the time to read all the posts...
Ok I don't have the time to read all the posts...
Series 4:
Starts to open at 1.2psi
Fully open at 2.1psi
Series 5:
Starts to open at 0.85psi
Fully open at 1.4psi
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