Hey..Don't give up on me guys!
04-20-02, 10:51 PM
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Hey..Don't give up on me guys!
O.K. guys we still aren't done with my car. It is still getting killed on start and everything. If you need more info go to my last thread. Please. I knew my car didn't sound right. It sounds like a helecopter or something. The cat still gets molten hot glowing. We NEED to get this fixed. I'm freakin' out here guys. Is it the TB, messed up injectors, ECU, CPU, or something? The exaust still smells like gas/alittle oil. I don't want to take the cat off because its all one weld after the begining of the presilencer. I need some help here guys. BamBam7, RETed, Wankle7, anybody? Any ideas?
Please help,
Charles
Please help,
Charles
04-20-02, 10:57 PM
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Wouldn't it imply that your cat is clogged if it starts growing red, and doesn't that also cause the car to run like ****, if not run at all? Sorry, I'm not a guru, but I can guess! 
04-20-02, 11:04 PM
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I have thought of that, it was my first guess but there seems to be other problems too. In any case I am getting a new cat tomorrow. But that doesn't explain the gas in the exaust or the wet ends of my front rotor spark plugs. They spark great, and are real clean. I don't know I'm realy looking for suggestions though.
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04-20-02, 11:28 PM
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Thanks guys.
Keep me posted if you think of anything else. I was wondering though. If the cats are clogged wouldn't the exaust not come out the tail pipes at what seems full flow? Maybe I'm just nuts.
Charles
Keep me posted if you think of anything else. I was wondering though. If the cats are clogged wouldn't the exaust not come out the tail pipes at what seems full flow? Maybe I'm just nuts.
Charles
04-21-02, 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by RETed
I concur, sounds like the cats are failing...
Else, your ignition timing is off (i.e. retarded).
-Ted
I concur, sounds like the cats are failing...
Else, your ignition timing is off (i.e. retarded).
-Ted
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04-21-02, 12:24 AM
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While on the timing note, how hard is it to adjust your timing? Got any write-ups? I am going to search the forum and see but if you got anything let me know. Thanks.
While on the timing note, how hard is it to adjust your timing? Got any write-ups? I am going to search the forum and see but if you got anything let me know. Thanks.
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I'm looking, I'm looking. 
I found some posts that said "adjust the TPS" which is fine and dandy if you know how to do that, lol. Oh and "look in the FSM", which says ignition timing is on page 4A-77 which I couldn't find.
I found some posts that said "adjust the TPS" which is fine and dandy if you know how to do that, lol. Oh and "look in the FSM", which says ignition timing is on page 4A-77 which I couldn't find.
04-21-02, 01:15 AM
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go to http://www.fc3s.org
You press the little buttons on your idiot cluster, thats how you adjust your timing
that worked for me too
go to http://www.fc3s.org
You press the little buttons on your idiot cluster, thats how you adjust your timing
that worked for me too
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04-21-02, 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
Oh and "look in the FSM", which says ignition timing is on page 4A-77 which I couldn't find.
Oh and "look in the FSM", which says ignition timing is on page 4A-77 which I couldn't find.
04-21-02, 08:58 AM
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PAGE 5-35 EDIT: Cheez, I don't remember your other post, but it sounds like a busted apex seal to me. Why not pull the bottom plugs out and give it the 'ole finger feel? Sounds like you've got one good rotor so you should be able to tell the difference b/t the pulses from the good from the bad. Gloomy Gus here.
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O.K. hers another problem.
The car has been sitting for the past 8 months while I was getting the water pump, water pump housing and that crap on there not to leak. I hit the gas and reved it up and white smoke came out the back of the car. Have I blown a seal or something? NOTE it has been sitting for the past 8 months. Is this normal or am I F@%&$#?
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The car has been sitting for the past 8 months while I was getting the water pump, water pump housing and that crap on there not to leak. I hit the gas and reved it up and white smoke came out the back of the car. Have I blown a seal or something? NOTE it has been sitting for the past 8 months. Is this normal or am I F@%&$#?
Charles
04-21-02, 12:56 PM
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RYDE OR DYE.....No, I think the helicopter sounding car has the broken apex seal. White smoke out the back? Who knows. Usually when you flood one you get that white smoke for a while. Then again if you do a rebuild and oil and grease the internals while building, you get white smoke out the rear forever, as in thirty minutes or more. Thats if you go whole hog and overboard with the oil, vaseline and grease. Could be water also. White smoke. Not blue. White does it all.
04-21-02, 02:04 PM
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Pull the lower plugs off. Have someone spin the engine. Feel one hole then the other for pulses. If a seal has gone south, then you will feel the difference. Not ifs, ands or butts. You said it sounded like a heicopter, thats why I say its a seal.
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OOOHHHHH. You mean take em out and turn it over. And see the stuff shoot out the holes. It seems to be the same or at least it looks like it I haven't put my hand down there yet. So I should? A friends dad said that I have a bad oil seal and thats why I have white smoke. I thought oil made blue smoke or am I just an idiot?
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04-21-02, 02:58 PM
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When you said it sounded like a helicopter, thats when I thought it might be a apex seal, not a oil seal. You could also have a bad oil seal, and I can tell you form rebuilding a few and using excessive oil and grease in the rebuild, that the smoke although oil, will or can be white. Ask Green from Nebraska. An oil seal won't make it sound like a helicopter though. A bad apex seal will though. All the above is speculation of course. Yes, pull the lower plugs and have someone spin the engine. If the pulses seem the same on both rotors, then I'm all wet and you can try another thing. Attached is a jpg of an apex seal next to the quarter. The round metal thing around them is a oil seal/reatainer. A rubber 0ring goes in groove in its outer groove that you cannot see. The larger in circumference 0rings are for water and compression All items cost way too much. The apex seals cost would keep a woman happy for several weeks, so you can imagine how much that is!
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Have you guys ever heard a rotary running with the spark plug wires mixed up? That kinda sounds like a helicopter, make sure you have those on correctly because if not the car will run really poorly and sputter.
04-21-02, 07:01 PM
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O.K. I did the apex seal test and they feel the same. I went to pepboys and got new plugs and wires, put them on and you damn well know the story.......No more helecopter, no mre gas smell. But on the high rpm rev I did a good amount of white smoke came out of my exaust. It only seems to come out when I rev real high. Is that a bad oil seal? The car sounds great now though.
Thanks for all the help even thought I still need alittle.
regards,
Charles
I went to pepboys and got new plugs and wires, put them on and you damn well know the story.......No more helecopter, no mre gas smell. But on the high rpm rev I did a good amount of white smoke came out of my exaust. It only seems to come out when I rev real high. Is that a bad oil seal? The car sounds great now though.Thanks for all the help even thought I still need alittle.
regards,
Charles
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did you do this test right after you installed the new plugs and wires? Or was this a while after? If it was right after you're probably just burning of some excess gas and oil that wasn't being burnt before. If this was a while after, it could be a bad oil seal. Smoke from burning oil is white with a blue tinge to it. Smoke from burning anti-freeze is white, is your car overheating? The older cars, '86 especially will blow a hole in the rear housing right by a waterjacket and will start to burn anti-freeze. But as far as I know they fixed that problem by the time they started to build the S5 cars.