Header glowing
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Header glowing
Last night me and a co-worker installed a Corksport header and race-pipe both stainless to go with my apexi n1 dual cat-back to complete the exhaust. We also installed the Hks intake filter elemment. After everything was done I started the car and it ran like **** and the check engine light came on. We immediately realized we forgot to plug the harness back into the AFM where the new filter attached. Started it back up and it ran and idled perfect along with the check engine light no longer being on. Drove the car home and everything was fine, ran smooth with plenty of power no issues what so ever. Today I pulled the car out of the garage and let it do its warm-up and popped the hood after it ran for about 5 minutes and holy **** the header right out of the motor is glowing red. After doing some research on this board I've found several possiblities (Bad AFM, running too rich, bad o2, bad plugs, bad timing.) I did a tune-up about a month ago new plugs (factory ngk's) along with ngk factory spec wires. We had to re-wire the o2 sensor wire for the new header because it needed to be longer to fit the o2 location on the header. If timing was an issue wouldn't it run bad or idle would be off? And if o2 wasn't working properly wouldnt the check engine light come on? Same thing goes for the AFM, if it was bad wouldn't it run like it did when it wasn't plugged in which was really shitty idle. I'm also wondering how long this has been going on because I wouldn't be able to see anything with the stock exhaust manifold with heat shield covering it. Once again the car runs, idles, starts, accelerates perfectly. Any ideas on what it could be and where I should start? Thanks
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lean conditions causes piping to heat up to glow. To much super heated gases are being forced in that small area, and without the right mixture of petrol it only gets hotter.
A few checks, iv personally never seen CS header myself, but many aftermarket vendors that make headers for other cars use a thin piping that heats to glow quicker than some other higher quality units. I don't know if this is the case (cs parts are usually good) but its worth taking a look at it.
So doing a cold start warm up, 5 minutes in at idle your new header starts to glow red. Do you have thermowax still installed which held your car at cold start idle for X amount of time?
I have seen shitty o2 and shitty AFMs do some interesting things to fuel mixture and could potentially make your car run a bit lean.
Also I am not sure, but correct me, don't N/A 13b normally run a bit leaner than safe in general?
A few checks, iv personally never seen CS header myself, but many aftermarket vendors that make headers for other cars use a thin piping that heats to glow quicker than some other higher quality units. I don't know if this is the case (cs parts are usually good) but its worth taking a look at it.
So doing a cold start warm up, 5 minutes in at idle your new header starts to glow red. Do you have thermowax still installed which held your car at cold start idle for X amount of time?
I have seen shitty o2 and shitty AFMs do some interesting things to fuel mixture and could potentially make your car run a bit lean.
Also I am not sure, but correct me, don't N/A 13b normally run a bit leaner than safe in general?
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You should start at the beginning which means go back and check all of your work and whatever you removed and or disturbed.
By the way they are correct in stating you are running lean so look for a vacuum hose off also.
I would presume that you removed the Air pump and ACV and put a block off plate on also. Check for leaks around the ACV.
Make sure also that the connections for the hose that runs from the AFM to the T/ body are tight also.
By the way they are correct in stating you are running lean so look for a vacuum hose off also.
I would presume that you removed the Air pump and ACV and put a block off plate on also. Check for leaks around the ACV.
Make sure also that the connections for the hose that runs from the AFM to the T/ body are tight also.
Last edited by Rx-7Doctor; 07-24-10 at 10:49 AM.
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lean conditions causes piping to heat up to glow. To much super heated gases are being forced in that small area, and without the right mixture of petrol it only gets hotter.
A few checks, iv personally never seen CS header myself, but many aftermarket vendors that make headers for other cars use a thin piping that heats to glow quicker than some other higher quality units. I don't know if this is the case (cs parts are usually good) but its worth taking a look at it.
So doing a cold start warm up, 5 minutes in at idle your new header starts to glow red. Do you have thermowax still installed which held your car at cold start idle for X amount of time?
I have seen shitty o2 and shitty AFMs do some interesting things to fuel mixture and could potentially make your car run a bit lean.
Also I am not sure, but correct me, don't N/A 13b normally run a bit leaner than safe in general?
A few checks, iv personally never seen CS header myself, but many aftermarket vendors that make headers for other cars use a thin piping that heats to glow quicker than some other higher quality units. I don't know if this is the case (cs parts are usually good) but its worth taking a look at it.
So doing a cold start warm up, 5 minutes in at idle your new header starts to glow red. Do you have thermowax still installed which held your car at cold start idle for X amount of time?
I have seen shitty o2 and shitty AFMs do some interesting things to fuel mixture and could potentially make your car run a bit lean.
Also I am not sure, but correct me, don't N/A 13b normally run a bit leaner than safe in general?
You should start at the beginning which means go back and check all of your work and whatever you removed and or disturbed.
By the way they are correct in stating you are running lean so look for a vacuum hose off also.
I would presume that you removed the Air pump and ACV and put a block off plate on also. Check for leaks around the ACV.
Make sure also that the connections for the hose that runs from the AFM to the T/ body are tight also.
By the way they are correct in stating you are running lean so look for a vacuum hose off also.
I would presume that you removed the Air pump and ACV and put a block off plate on also. Check for leaks around the ACV.
Make sure also that the connections for the hose that runs from the AFM to the T/ body are tight also.
I will check for any leaks also. Thank you guys for all the help its much appreciated.
Last edited by RCFC89; 07-24-10 at 11:22 AM.
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This picture is for the s4 but its very similar. The only hose we modified is the one I put a red arrow pointing to. We put a baby air filter on the end of this hose which was included in the hks kit. Could this be the problem?
Also I mentioned that we blocked the air pump right at its base with the included plug and clamp that was included with the race-pipe from CS. Their instructions show blocking it off at the end of the metal air pump hose but the plug they included dwarfed the diameter of the hose but fit perfectly on the base of the airpump itself. Could the airpump being plugged while still operating cause an issue.
Last edited by RCFC89; 07-24-10 at 11:38 AM.
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The S5's VDI system gets pressure supplied by the Air pump so unlike the S4 you leave the air pump in place. The cap they gave you is for the Air injection tube. I am not familiar with the VDI system so I cannot answer if the way you have the Air pump blocked off will have an effect on the operation of the Engine or not.
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The S5's VDI system gets pressure supplied by the Air pump so unlike the S4 you leave the air pump in place. The cap they gave you is for the Air injection tube. I am not familiar with the VDI system so I cannot answer if the way you have the Air pump blocked off will have an effect on the operation of the Engine or not.
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Has anyone else had this issue? No one else has plugged the air pump and had this issue? Has anyone had corksport headers and had them glow because they were too thin?
Last edited by RCFC89; 07-24-10 at 10:39 PM.
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Ok got down to the shop this morning and found something interesting. I haven't gone through the double checking making sure everything was re-attached correctly from the install but upon intial start-up both header tubes were glowing cherry red almost immediately. Within 3 minutes they wen't back to normal color. Let vehicle continue to run and as soon as the car wen't to regular idle speed 700-800 rpm they began to glow again. I had a friend rev the motor to 1k and hold it there and they wen't back to normal. So basically whether i'm running lean or rich it only occurs under 1k rpm's. Any ideas or suggestions on whats going on here?
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Ok got down to the shop this morning and found something interesting. I haven't gone through the double checking making sure everything was re-attached correctly from the install but upon intial start-up both header tubes were glowing cherry red almost immediately. Within 3 minutes they wen't back to normal color. Let vehicle continue to run and as soon as the car wen't to regular idle speed 700-800 rpm they began to glow again. I had a friend rev the motor to 1k and hold it there and they wen't back to normal. So basically whether i'm running lean or rich it only occurs under 1k rpm's. Any ideas or suggestions on whats going on here?
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you do realize that by disconnecting the air pump, the 5th and 6th ports will not actuate properly and you are actually harming the performance of your engine?
have you pulled the plugs to check running condition. black plugs means you are running rich..white plugs, indicate a lean condition. brown or slightly black indicates normal operating condition. do you only notice the header glowing at night? the exhaust leaves the engine in upwards of 1500 degrees. that kind of heat can make a header glow. my concern for a seriously lean condition would be a glowing converter (of which you said that you do not have) or a glowing mid pipe.
have you pulled the plugs to check running condition. black plugs means you are running rich..white plugs, indicate a lean condition. brown or slightly black indicates normal operating condition. do you only notice the header glowing at night? the exhaust leaves the engine in upwards of 1500 degrees. that kind of heat can make a header glow. my concern for a seriously lean condition would be a glowing converter (of which you said that you do not have) or a glowing mid pipe.
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you do realize that by disconnecting the air pump, the 5th and 6th ports will not actuate properly and you are actually harming the performance of your engine?
have you pulled the plugs to check running condition. black plugs means you are running rich..white plugs, indicate a lean condition. brown or slightly black indicates normal operating condition. do you only notice the header glowing at night? the exhaust leaves the engine in upwards of 1500 degrees. that kind of heat can make a header glow. my concern for a seriously lean condition would be a glowing converter (of which you said that you do not have) or a glowing mid pipe.
have you pulled the plugs to check running condition. black plugs means you are running rich..white plugs, indicate a lean condition. brown or slightly black indicates normal operating condition. do you only notice the header glowing at night? the exhaust leaves the engine in upwards of 1500 degrees. that kind of heat can make a header glow. my concern for a seriously lean condition would be a glowing converter (of which you said that you do not have) or a glowing mid pipe.
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WingsofWar, I am glad I don't have epilepsy, but that pic gives me a headache.
I say pick up a wideband, weld on a bung, and install it. Glowing headers during idle conditions is not good, not to mention the fire hazard involved.
I say pick up a wideband, weld on a bung, and install it. Glowing headers during idle conditions is not good, not to mention the fire hazard involved.
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I was told by a very reputable rotary builder that this is normal. Is this the idle mixture screw.....
Last edited by RCFC89; 07-27-10 at 11:28 PM.