?Has anyone done the ATF Trick Twice?
01-19-05, 11:14 AM
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?Has anyone done the ATF Trick Twice?
Iv'e done the ATF Unflooded trick "Once" already "THE CAR STARTED" Lots of thick *** smoke too!!! it ran on "Idle for like 5 minutes and the Car Died after that, I tried starting it again and no luck? do you guys think i have to do the ATF trick again for better compression??
01-19-05, 12:50 PM
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Yes ive had to do it twice........but not after it idled for a while. You may try pulling the EGR fuse and see if that will work...........but the ATF trick is only as a last resort. When you get it started again, make sure that you give it five minutes of good revving instead of letting it sit.
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01-19-05, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sammytom
I would check the sparkplugs. And make sure its not flooded. I would think that ATF isnt the best thing for the plugs.
01-19-05, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by vicious525E
its not the best thing for anything, its just worse on carbon and build ups then it is on your seals...
If you are flooded, just use oil.
01-19-05, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
ATF has absolutely no effect on carbon. But it does happily eat the oil o-rings...
If you are flooded, just use oil.
If you are flooded, just use oil.
01-19-05, 05:08 PM
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I can't believe people still try this without knowing what it does, people have done expieriment on this forum to see the effect of ATF on Carbon and it does nothing, Amsoil power foam is designed to do what the ATF trick supposedly does if you are trying to remove carbon use that or Seafoam products both made to be run through the intake of a running engine and remove carbon buildup. ATF only have negative effects on the engine and should not be used. If your flooded then do what Aaron said or search to find another alternative to ATF
01-19-05, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by totallimmortal
I can't believe people still try this without knowing what it does, people have done expieriment on this forum to see the effect of ATF on Carbon and it does nothing, Amsoil power foam is designed to do what the ATF trick supposedly does if you are trying to remove carbon use that or Seafoam products both made to be run through the intake of a running engine and remove carbon buildup. ATF only have negative effects on the engine and should not be used. If your flooded then do what Aaron said or search to find another alternative to ATF
01-20-05, 02:03 AM
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PEOPLE ARE NOT USING ATF TO DISLODGE CARBON. THEY ARE USING IT TO BUILD COMPRESSION AND START A FLOODED ENGINE.
BTW, I have never had atf hurt an oil ring. I do know that they are sensitive to chemicals, even different brands of oil can change them. But exposure for a few minutes to a little atf (keep in mind that the motor oil is still there around and on them during this whole time) won't hurt.
Motor oil works too, but is a bit thicker than atf and doesnt seem to work quite as well, IMO.
BTW, I have never had atf hurt an oil ring. I do know that they are sensitive to chemicals, even different brands of oil can change them. But exposure for a few minutes to a little atf (keep in mind that the motor oil is still there around and on them during this whole time) won't hurt.
Motor oil works too, but is a bit thicker than atf and doesnt seem to work quite as well, IMO.
01-20-05, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
BTW, I have never had atf hurt an oil ring. I do know that they are sensitive to chemicals, even different brands of oil can change them. But exposure for a few minutes to a little atf (keep in mind that the motor oil is still there around and on them during this whole time) won't hurt.
I've been meaning to update my anti-ATF page with the pictures of this experiment...
01-20-05, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
I did some experiments a while back, leaving the o-rings in various common chemicals. ATF turned them into jelly after several weeks. Now, obviously this is not much of a concern if you are just using it to start the car...But so many engines probably sit around forever with "starting" ATF in them because the owner can't get them going...
I've been meaning to update my anti-ATF page with the pictures of this experiment...
I've been meaning to update my anti-ATF page with the pictures of this experiment...
01-20-05, 11:39 AM
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Well, aaron, the thing is...when you atf an engine, 90% of the stuff runs to the bottom of the chamber and pools up. A light coating stays on the rotor and seal surfaces. At any given position the oil orings are at least 2 inches from the bottom of the rotorhousing...so they're not going to even be partially submersed in atf, not even one little section of an oring.
To affect the orings, you'd have to be running atf in place of the oil supply, I think. Keep in mind that motor oil is inside the rotor and on the eshaft, and is pushing it's way outward to the seals anytime the engine is cranked for more than a couple of seconds...this would displace any atf that found its way onto an oil seal by a splashing effect.
To affect the orings, you'd have to be running atf in place of the oil supply, I think. Keep in mind that motor oil is inside the rotor and on the eshaft, and is pushing it's way outward to the seals anytime the engine is cranked for more than a couple of seconds...this would displace any atf that found its way onto an oil seal by a splashing effect.
01-20-05, 01:58 PM
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Oh, I agree. Unless you put great gobs of the stuff in there and let it sit, then it's not much of an issue.
But oil works just as well, and we all know that there's no way it can negativly effect any part of the engine.
But oil works just as well, and we all know that there's no way it can negativly effect any part of the engine.
01-20-05, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
PEOPLE ARE NOT USING ATF TO DISLODGE CARBON. THEY ARE USING IT TO BUILD COMPRESSION AND START A FLOODED ENGINE.
01-20-05, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by totallimmortal
I can't believe people still try this without knowing what it does, people have done expieriment on this forum to see the effect of ATF on Carbon and it does nothing,
Your wrong. ATF has a detergint in it to reduce carbon/oil gunk buildups. I KNOW this becuase I just soaked my TII throttle body in a vat of it last week and all the carbon deposits and gunk came right off. Amsoil and seafoam are probably much better at carbon removal, but ATF still does remove carbon buildup.
Oh and yes I also agree with you on using it on the rotary. However like mr atkins and aaron said, if its only for a few minutes, it aint gonna hurt ****. Just make sure that its going to start
01-20-05, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by totallimmortal
But there still are people on this forum that do use it to remove carbon build up, when i first started using this forum i found a whole write up on how to get rid of carbon buy pouring ATF into the spark plug holes and turning it over a few times to move it around and then let it sit for at least 4 hours and it supposedly would eat off the carbon.
Yes, too bad it doesn't work.
I did this to a blown motor of mine a looong time ago now.
Poured copious quantities of ATF into it and let it sit in there whilst turning it over regularly..
When I took the engine appart it was still caked in carbon really bad.
So.. it does sweet F. A.
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