BklynRX7

Hey guys im looking twords the emanage to control my turbo-n/a project and ive got a few questions that were either vague or unanswered in searches and on websites.

First of all what are the bare essentials I need to run/program the emanage. Like harnesses, software ect..

Im seeing alot of complains about the timing setup not working right on the emanage. If this is true does the emanage offer any useful features to make it better than the safcII or any other piggyback?

I have read a few times on this forum that the emanage will let me remove the afm and replace it with a mass airflow meter, but i dont see anything mentioned anywhere else. Is it true?

Overall would the emanage be worth the extra money over a safcII?

djmtsu

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Those two things are essentially the same thing.

I think you meant to say replace the AFM with a MAP sensor (Manifold Air Pressure).

iceblue

IIRC the E-manage will not ditch the AFM. Yes the E-Mange is bettor then the SAFC.

IMHO forget about the piggy back its a wasted effort for what will be a short term solution. Go get a Mega Squirt and be done with it, and it’s cheaper!

BklynRX7

yea thats what i meant.

Anyway I would like to go megasquirt or another stand alone but I dont feel like learning 2 new things at the same time and adding another variable to any possible problems. Atleast with a piggyback there is already a base set.

If im not using the timing feature, exactly what makes the emanage better than a safcII?

snub disphenoid

If you're using an E-manage (or is it the E-01???wtf whatever), there are add-ons that you can purchase seperately. if you want to change your car to a speed-density setup, then you should purchase the 3-bar MAP sensor upgrade package, which lets you ditch the AFM and tune your car based upon manifold absolute pressure, which is much better than tuning from throttle position. Yes, it's superior to the SAFC-II as long as you utilize it's full capabilities, but when you upgrade an e-manage to the point that you'll be reliably and safely controlling your engine, you're reaching the realm of $1000+, which is like Haltech/Microtech territory.

snub disphenoid

To comment on this - your car will run poorly without something like standalone engine management. This isn't a 6-port motor with exhaust and intake, it's a turbocharged engine, which didn't have the engine control to even think about boost, so just running a fuel enrichment program on a stock ECU will not be your best bet. You might as well completely change out the ECU (i.e. standalone, not a reprogrammed unit). If you REALLY want to tune the car yourself, go to EFI University (yes, it really exists), where you can learn the tuning interface and begin to understand all of the ridiculous terms you'll find in, say, your Haltech tuning manual.

But honestly at this point, if you're not too good with tuning, I'd say pony up the extra cash for a professional tuner, your car will run better and make more power and get better gas mileage, etc. Tuning isn't like making a chart and magically everything falls into place, it's precise ****, a lot of people have popped their engines doing it. Also, it NEVER pays out in the long run to do anything that pertains to engine/fuel/ignition management on the cheap. Lots of people have blown their motors trying to use simple piggybacks like SAFC-IIs on boosted NAs, it's just not your best choice. I say, if you're spenging a few thousand to boost your motor, what's another 1500 to make it run perfect and make the most power?

ddub

For that price, why not just go with Megasquirt n' Spark? You can get it built, tested, and with a base map set up for a rotary application by someone for cheaper than a brand new e-manage.

BklynRX7

Where?

Bukwild

pm a guy with a user name of tofuball. He and his room mate makes them in his house

ddub

His roommate is muythaibxr, he's the one writing the ignition codes for rotaries and doing some amazing work.

I believe he told me they might be starting a business with building/setting up Megasquirts for people.

Skabidat

Ok, the Greddy Emanage ultimate does allow for air flow meter removal, it allows the use of a wide band o2 sensor, and i believe you can add a knock sensor. I have seen an Rx8 tuned for 350hp+ daily driven stock engine and a basic GReddy turbo kit. The Emanage is very very capable and controlling ignition is half the point, you can retard ignition as boost increases. In my mind its the way to go, its definately cheaper to go the Emanage route, but it is just as precise and capable as a megasquirt. Its also MUCH easier to hook up the Emanage, no new wiring harness!

SonicRaT

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And ship it back and forth a few times for good measure.

(sorry, I HAD to do it!)

ddub

Not his fault he was given some faulty information from other MS builders really. Now that he knows why and what were causing the issue he knows what to test for.

Plus he's going to fully test them before sending anything out with the new plug-n-play ones he's building in the stock ECU case that will plug into the stock harness. All you have to do is plug it in and you're ready to go.

Chief

no emanage ultimate. it fakes the AFM output to 'delete' it. so you have to set up a whole map for it to fake.

Z3r0

I actually am running a n/a+turbo with emanage, its going ok so far but I haven't gotten it on a dyno to tune it yet. I have also had an safc II on the same setup and from my experience I would say that the emanage is a better buy depending on how cheap you can get it for. Also the emanage ultimate has some new options and the afm deletion works like who Chief described. I was able to find cheaper harnesses and such and got the ignition/injection harnesses for 30 or 40 cnd I think. As for the pressure sensor you can use a GM sensor which is cheaper than the greddy one (which I kind of regret getting). As far as the bare essentials, you can just get the main unit and download the software and get a 'clone' usb cable. Its working out for me decently so far, and I plan to make use of the built in additional injector controller so it all works out ^_^. Honeslty though, if I had the money I'd probably have went stand alone... but its a bit more troublesome to setup.

The Wankler

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One main reason I went with the Ultamite is because of California smog laws. You can hide it well, and you dont have to get rid of the "rats nest". I have yet to hook it up, however I am sure I will be pleased.