To Good To Be True??? Help Needed...
11-17-05, 09:43 PM
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To Good To Be True??? Help Needed...
Looking at buying a car from a local guy in NJ....heres the description let me know what you think...as far as I have read up on the motors 13b's I think it's possible...
The seller pulled the 13B 6-port motor from his 88 GTU and had it rebuilt by a friend who has built a great deal of high performance rotaries for races at Atco Raceway. The motor was rebuilt with NEW '91 high compression rotars and was street ported to the max. Never had the car on a dyno but it is estimated that it has 225 HP( QUESTIONABLE???). It was then dropped into this beautiful blue GXL. The motor is extremely responsive and throttles up to high RPM's very quickly. I never raced it on the track but estimate that it will do high 13's to low 14's on the quarter mile.
So what do you think guys? I will be taking a ride monday to see it anything I should look for?????? This will be my first rotorary so any help is appreciated
Chris.....
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The seller pulled the 13B 6-port motor from his 88 GTU and had it rebuilt by a friend who has built a great deal of high performance rotaries for races at Atco Raceway. The motor was rebuilt with NEW '91 high compression rotars and was street ported to the max. Never had the car on a dyno but it is estimated that it has 225 HP( QUESTIONABLE???). It was then dropped into this beautiful blue GXL. The motor is extremely responsive and throttles up to high RPM's very quickly. I never raced it on the track but estimate that it will do high 13's to low 14's on the quarter mile.
So what do you think guys? I will be taking a ride monday to see it anything I should look for?????? This will be my first rotorary so any help is appreciated
Chris.....
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11-17-05, 10:03 PM
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it looks amazingly clean. its a matter of how well it runs i suppose. make sure the idle settle well after it warms up. ive noticed alot of people talking of having bad idles lately, so its the only thing i can think of really rotary wise. when i bought mine, i checked for everything i would a nomral car. oil leaks and rusts and stuff like that. good luck and congradulations if you do buy the car. you will be a proud owner haha
11-17-05, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotaryshow
225? yeah thats possible even with out the turbo
You could still add a turbo to this set up? Don't you think high compression rotars + a turbo would equal death to the motor?
Anyway back on topic....this car is clean...just wondering if its still likely to put out this much power
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11-17-05, 10:31 PM
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yeah i'm not seeing 225, and i'm not seeing high 13's... possibly mid to high 14's, and for all the money it would cost to turbochage a N/A motor you could buy a Turbo II and be on a much better foundation.. i got my TII for $4000 its in prestine condition rebuilt engine, turboback exhaust, fcd, intake and walbro fuel pump its got S5 everything body wise even though it is a S4.. 2800 isn't bad but i'd keep looking i'm sure you can come across a Turbo II around that range and trust me you'll love me for it later if you pick up a TII.
11-17-05, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by swiftfc
nice car i'd say shes a steal 2. and kennedy!!! i think ur confused he said that 225hp is possible without a tubo. i dont think he was suggesting puttin in a turbo
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yeah i'm not seeing 225, and i'm not seeing high 13's... possibly mid to high 14's, and for all the money it would cost to turbochage a N/A motor you could buy a Turbo II and be on a much better foundation.. i got my TII for $4000 its in prestine condition rebuilt engine, turboback exhaust, fcd, intake and walbro fuel pump its got S5 everything body wise even though it is a S4.. 2800 isn't bad but i'd keep looking i'm sure you can come across a Turbo II around that range and trust me you'll love me for it later if you pick up a TII.
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11-17-05, 10:40 PM
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Well, there's no way the car's putting down 225... I can say that with almost 100% certainty.
Regardless, it looks like a clean, basic, slightly modified s4 N/A. $2800 sounds like a fair price for the car, if the motor's in great condition. What is the milage on the chassis?
Also, check the compression (search) it's really easy and I would consider it a necessity when buying an Rx7.
I would estimate the car *maybe* breaking into the 14's if you can drive it well...
Edit: It'll be fun and quick (as long as the 5th and 6th ports are funtioning) and might actually be similar in power to a bone-stock, average milage TII. If you're looking to get much more power than what that car already has, you would be hard-pressed to get there with an N/A. Some people can, but they're in a different realm of Rx7 experience.
Regardless, it looks like a clean, basic, slightly modified s4 N/A. $2800 sounds like a fair price for the car, if the motor's in great condition. What is the milage on the chassis?
Also, check the compression (search) it's really easy and I would consider it a necessity when buying an Rx7.
I would estimate the car *maybe* breaking into the 14's if you can drive it well...
Edit: It'll be fun and quick (as long as the 5th and 6th ports are funtioning) and might actually be similar in power to a bone-stock, average milage TII. If you're looking to get much more power than what that car already has, you would be hard-pressed to get there with an N/A. Some people can, but they're in a different realm of Rx7 experience.
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11-17-05, 10:43 PM
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As long as it all was put together well and everything is in good condition then $2800 is within range. If it were an s5 then it would have the extra horsepower of vdi, but with the high compression rotors and street porting it should be pretty quick. It has leather seats, I wish I had those in my s5.
It isn't putting down 225hp though, the s4s had 140/138 stock at flywheel - street porting to add 100hp+ would be extremely extensive and into bridge porting. I suppose it could be 225 claimed at flywheel, but I would guestimate it would be at a max of 190 at flywheel. Same with drag track predictions being over rated.
As for Kennedy!!! high compression rotors and a turbo are completely possible given enogh fuel; they will give you more power/efficiency off of boost and fueled more power on boost.
It isn't putting down 225hp though, the s4s had 140/138 stock at flywheel - street porting to add 100hp+ would be extremely extensive and into bridge porting. I suppose it could be 225 claimed at flywheel, but I would guestimate it would be at a max of 190 at flywheel. Same with drag track predictions being over rated.
As for Kennedy!!! high compression rotors and a turbo are completely possible given enogh fuel; they will give you more power/efficiency off of boost and fueled more power on boost.
11-17-05, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by eriksseven
Well, there's no way the car's putting down 225... I can say that with almost 100% certainty.
Regardless, it looks like a clean, basic, slightly modified s4 N/A. $2800 sounds like a fair price for the car, if the motor's in great condition. What is the milage on the chassis?
Also, check the compression (search) it's really easy and I would consider it a necessity when buying an Rx7.
I would estimate the car *maybe* breaking into the 14's if you can drive it well...
Regardless, it looks like a clean, basic, slightly modified s4 N/A. $2800 sounds like a fair price for the car, if the motor's in great condition. What is the milage on the chassis?
Also, check the compression (search) it's really easy and I would consider it a necessity when buying an Rx7.
I would estimate the car *maybe* breaking into the 14's if you can drive it well...
Hmm if you guys are sure then I will question him about the power....As for the milage on the chassis he has yet to respond to my email (sent it earlier today).
OK Ill search for compression and make sure it's up to par with what I find...although turbo doesn't sound to bad, maybe I will just wait....
I don't actually plan on dragging.....just a little sliding
11-17-05, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sar
As long as it all was put together well and everything is in good condition then $2800 is within range. If it were an s5 then it would have the extra horsepower of vdi, but with the high compression rotors and street porting it should be pretty quick. It has leather seats, I wish I had those in my s5.
It isn't putting down 225hp though, the s4s had 140/138 stock at flywheel - street porting to add 100hp+ would be extremely extensive and into bridge porting. I suppose it could be 225 claimed at flywheel, but I would guestimate it would be at a max of 190 at flywheel. Same with drag track predictions being over rated.
As for Kennedy!!! high compression rotors and a turbo are completely possible given enogh fuel; they will give you more power/efficiency off of boost and fueled more power on boost.
It isn't putting down 225hp though, the s4s had 140/138 stock at flywheel - street porting to add 100hp+ would be extremely extensive and into bridge porting. I suppose it could be 225 claimed at flywheel, but I would guestimate it would be at a max of 190 at flywheel. Same with drag track predictions being over rated.
As for Kennedy!!! high compression rotors and a turbo are completely possible given enogh fuel; they will give you more power/efficiency off of boost and fueled more power on boost.
The more I read the posts the more you guys are convincing me lol.....Again Sar you're probably right...its most likely 225 at the flywell but Im still uncertain about what it REALLY is. I guess I won't know until I test drive it...
And as for the High Compression rotors + turbo Im assuming you will need bigger injectors and a fuel pump?
11-17-05, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sar
As long as it all was put together well and everything is in good condition then $2800 is within range. If it were an s5 then it would have the extra horsepower of vdi, but with the high compression rotors and street porting it should be pretty quick. It has leather seats, I wish I had those in my s5.
It isn't putting down 225hp though, the s4s had 140/138 stock at flywheel - street porting to add 100hp+ would be extremely extensive and into bridge porting. I suppose it could be 225 claimed at flywheel, but I would guestimate it would be at a max of 190 at flywheel. Same with drag track predictions being over rated.
As for Kennedy!!! high compression rotors and a turbo are completely possible given enogh fuel; they will give you more power/efficiency off of boost and fueled more power on boost.
It isn't putting down 225hp though, the s4s had 140/138 stock at flywheel - street porting to add 100hp+ would be extremely extensive and into bridge porting. I suppose it could be 225 claimed at flywheel, but I would guestimate it would be at a max of 190 at flywheel. Same with drag track predictions being over rated.
As for Kennedy!!! high compression rotors and a turbo are completely possible given enogh fuel; they will give you more power/efficiency off of boost and fueled more power on boost.
I check this car on eBay and thought it was a hell of a deal for the price. Buying and modifying an NA with a rebuilt engine could be a joy. Buying a used turbo car MIGHT carry more gremlins (due to the stock RX-7 turbo system being so touchy).
I say get it, it looks clean and would be a nice start to a build
, but know that modifying an NA won't have you hitting 12's on that motor. For 14's and POSSIBLY high 13's with alot of modifciations, it'll do the job.
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11-17-05, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jager
Check the dynos, Kahren just put down 186 with slight mods and a efficient streetport. That with 9.7 rotors could help snag 225 at the flywheel. I don't see it as far fetched. But we don't know who the builder is. I bet most of you don't even know who Karhen is? Or Judge Ito? I'm not saying its that fast or hitting those numbers, but its
I check this car on eBay and thought it was a hell of a deal for the price. Buying and modifying an NA with a rebuilt engine could be a joy. Buying a used turbo car MIGHT carry more gremlins (due to the stock RX-7 turbo system being so touchy).
I say get it, it looks clean and would be a nice start to a build, but know that modifying an NA won't have you hitting 12's on that motor. For 14's and POSSIBLY high 13's with alot of modifciations, it'll do the job.
I check this car on eBay and thought it was a hell of a deal for the price. Buying and modifying an NA with a rebuilt engine could be a joy. Buying a used turbo car MIGHT carry more gremlins (due to the stock RX-7 turbo system being so touchy).
I say get it, it looks clean and would be a nice start to a build
, but know that modifying an NA won't have you hitting 12's on that motor. For 14's and POSSIBLY high 13's with alot of modifciations, it'll do the job.Thanks for the response Jager, I agree with the turbo gremlins...even modern turbos are touchy
11-17-05, 11:41 PM
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I'm not saying turbo cars are the devil, but I think it'll end up snagging a little bit of your checkbook .
Good luck, plus his car is almost indentical in color to mine. I got some different rims and hatch. Anyways, its a fine car, plus most of the problematic stuff on that car would be removed for weight reduction anyways!
.Good luck, plus his car is almost indentical in color to mine. I got some different rims and hatch. Anyways, its a fine car, plus most of the problematic stuff on that car would be removed for weight reduction anyways
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Originally Posted by Jager
I'm not saying turbo cars are the devil, but I think it'll end up snagging a little bit of your checkbook .
Good luck, plus his car is almost indentical in color to mine. I got some different rims and hatch. Anyways, its a fine car, plus most of the problematic stuff on that car would be removed for weight reduction anyways!
.Good luck, plus his car is almost indentical in color to mine. I got some different rims and hatch. Anyways, its a fine car, plus most of the problematic stuff on that car would be removed for weight reduction anyways
!Edit: Speaking of problems....can I just remove the power steering pump and AC or will that cause some sort or problem?
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11-18-05, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Kennedy!!!
Checkbook is one thing I cannot afford to bounce so I would have to agree with you there....and as for weight reduction....I have big plans
Edit: Speaking of problems....can I just remove the power steering pump and AC or will that cause some sort or problem?
Edit: Speaking of problems....can I just remove the power steering pump and AC or will that cause some sort or problem?
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