Good place to buy a motor?
08-12-02, 03:19 PM
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Ask VOSKO how much money he has saved using J-specs this year. I wouldn't trust a JSPEC as far as I could throw it!!!! It's a HIP term for JAPANEESE JUNKYARD MOTORS. Cut the harness throw them in a container and go! I bought a 2TG Toyota motor in 84 and it was JUNK!! needed a rebuild off the pallet. Lucky for me I did a leakdown test first. There is NO MAGIC to a J_SPEC, the 30K miles is a bunck of hogwash. Ask dave gibson what percentage of J-Specs he gets in are usable? Ask VOSKO, Call the Rotory Rebuilder of your choice. You are asking for trouble if you think your MAGICAL JSPEC is going to last. ITS JAPANEESE LEFTOVERS MARKETED TO GULLIBLE PEOPLE WHO THINK " OWWWWW JSPEC/JDM IS GOOD"
08-12-02, 03:26 PM
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Theres nothing magical about them. They dont make more power, rev higher or smell better than a U.S. *spec* motor. Walk by your car everyday and look at the N1's hangin off the back, the spider webs being formed off your adjustable shocks, knowing that your car is dead and no more racing for you. A $550 motor sounds pretty good whille your staring at your dead Turbo II remembering all the fun you *used* to have.
08-12-02, 03:27 PM
#28
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You could always rebuild it yourself 
My only concern with buying a new FC engine is this:
How long does your friend plan to keep the car before he grows out of it?
A bargain $1000 engine from hypntyz7 is 99% sure to last at least 50k miles , which is 5 years for the most of us.
You have to ask yourself if it makes sense to spend $3000+ on an all new engine for a 15 year old car that you might not even keep. Not saying it's a bad idea if you plan to keep the car.
But you figure if you can spend $1500 on a rebuilt and install and the car runs for 2 years without any problems, thats a damn good price for getting 2 years of service (as far as cars go)
The other option of course if you rebuild yourself, think of all the things you can do to it! I'm rebuilding mine myself and am able to buy alot more stuff, check this list out:
Rebuilt engine (did that myself for ~$500)
New clutch
Rebuilt alternator
Rebuilt Starter
New water pump
New brakes
Electric fans
new motor mounts
Rebuilt injectors
All new vacuum lines
All new hoses
All new belts
All new filters
thats all i can think of off hte top of my head...
But so far I have spent a mere $1300 on EVERYTHING, which is still less than a rebuilt engine!
I know it's not the question you asked, but something to think about. I paid $1300 and my car is gonna run like new
My only concern with buying a new FC engine is this:
How long does your friend plan to keep the car before he grows out of it?
A bargain $1000 engine from hypntyz7 is 99% sure to last at least 50k miles , which is 5 years for the most of us.
You have to ask yourself if it makes sense to spend $3000+ on an all new engine for a 15 year old car that you might not even keep. Not saying it's a bad idea if you plan to keep the car.
But you figure if you can spend $1500 on a rebuilt and install and the car runs for 2 years without any problems, thats a damn good price for getting 2 years of service (as far as cars go)
The other option of course if you rebuild yourself, think of all the things you can do to it! I'm rebuilding mine myself and am able to buy alot more stuff, check this list out:
Rebuilt engine (did that myself for ~$500)
New clutch
Rebuilt alternator
Rebuilt Starter
New water pump
New brakes
Electric fans
new motor mounts
Rebuilt injectors
All new vacuum lines
All new hoses
All new belts
All new filters
thats all i can think of off hte top of my head...
But so far I have spent a mere $1300 on EVERYTHING, which is still less than a rebuilt engine!
I know it's not the question you asked, but something to think about. I paid $1300 and my car is gonna run like new
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08-12-02, 03:27 PM
#29
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
If you offer a 1 year warranty on a 13bt and keep the cost around $1000 your gonna have people lined up at your shop.
Now also keep in mind there is a core cost involved; I cant just pull 13bt's out of my ***, and Ive been unsuccessful in finding a decent supply of turbo motors. Basically if I dont have your old one to work from to start, I cant help you.
Pretty much my base price on a 13bt rebuild is $1200 plus shipping or porting, requiring a core to work from first. If this core needs a rotor and housing repalced, well then I have to go find good ones to use, and the price goes up $100-200.
08-12-02, 03:37 PM
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88 SE how did you do a rebuild for $500? Thats with ALL new engine gaskets and apex seals. Thats what I was going to do at first but I cant seem to find a kit under $800 with seals. I'd rather get a J-spec and have a spare motor to build on my own then sending my original out as a core.
08-12-02, 03:37 PM
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You missed the point. A LARGE % of these magical $550 motors are crap!. You install it, its dead, pull it out, ship it back, wait for the replacement, put it in and wonder IS this crap?
VOSKO knows.
JSPECS have their place in the FOOD chain as CORES for rebuilds.
VOSKO knows.
JSPECS have their place in the FOOD chain as CORES for rebuilds.
08-12-02, 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by chatch
Walk by your car everyday and look at the N1's hangin off the back, the spider webs being formed off your adjustable shocks, knowing that your car is dead and no more racing for you. A $550 motor sounds pretty good whille your staring at your dead Turbo II remembering all the fun you *used* to have.
Walk by your car everyday and look at the N1's hangin off the back, the spider webs being formed off your adjustable shocks, knowing that your car is dead and no more racing for you. A $550 motor sounds pretty good whille your staring at your dead Turbo II remembering all the fun you *used* to have.
Egads...
08-12-02, 03:45 PM
#33
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http://www.rotaryaviation.com/overhaul_kits.htm
$506 shipped. Has almost everything you'll need unless there are some abnormally worn parts (oil seal rings, side seals, etc)
INcludes seals and springs at that price too.
$506 shipped. Has almost everything you'll need unless there are some abnormally worn parts (oil seal rings, side seals, etc)
INcludes seals and springs at that price too.
08-12-02, 03:46 PM
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I just payed $1263.42 for JUST the rebuild and gasket kit for my motor. I got a upgraded Oil pump and my tranny seals added and that it. Where are you guys getting kits for $500?ish you must not be replacing everything, just whats needed?
08-12-02, 04:00 PM
#35
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Got it from Rotary Aviate (see link in my last post)
No, it's not a complete kit as it does not include new oil control METALS, oil pump chain, or side seals.
But, this kit more than fit the needs of my application because my oil metals are fine, the side seals are perfect condition, and I got a enw oil pump chain for $23 from autozone.
So it just depends on what you need.
They do offer a complete kit for $850 with oil ring metals, which is a real good deal. worth checking out.
No, it's not a complete kit as it does not include new oil control METALS, oil pump chain, or side seals.
But, this kit more than fit the needs of my application because my oil metals are fine, the side seals are perfect condition, and I got a enw oil pump chain for $23 from autozone.
So it just depends on what you need.
They do offer a complete kit for $850 with oil ring metals, which is a real good deal. worth checking out.
08-12-02, 04:03 PM
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Ya, but is the gasket kit complete? I mean I think that is all the internal goods. Those engine kits are for airplanes it sounds like. Where is the turbo gasket? exaust gasket? oil pan gasket? all that stuff? how much of that is included? or is it stricktly internl parts?
08-12-02, 04:08 PM
#37
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it includes the mazda gasket kit, which has oil pan, intake, etc etc gaskets. Turbo gasket im not sure since I bought mine for my NA, but im sure you can get it with the kit for not much more.
08-12-02, 05:07 PM
#38
Originally posted by hypntyz7
I think I need to say something here for clarification.
I am not here to directly compete with guys like Pineapple etc. We do different types of work, and this is explained in detail on my webpage. IF you have the funds for a nice, tight, new rotor housing and lapped side housing, all new part, bearing adn cooling modified motor, then by all means go for one of the others, because said engine will run better and last longer than an engie I will build. This is not due to poor worksmanship on my part, just excellent worksmanship on Rob's part, plus the fact he is using newer parts.
IF, however, you canot afford the thought of dropping 3k on a motor, or even 2k, then Im your man. I can get your car running again, running strong to last for several years to come, for a minimal cost compared to anyone else in the market. IT is this niche, and this one only, that I want to fill int eh community; I dont have any interest in building race motors etc., anything more than a SP is something I dont want to work on because I know an engine with some used parts in it will not stand up to heavy/hard driving/racing.
I think I need to say something here for clarification.
I am not here to directly compete with guys like Pineapple etc. We do different types of work, and this is explained in detail on my webpage. IF you have the funds for a nice, tight, new rotor housing and lapped side housing, all new part, bearing adn cooling modified motor, then by all means go for one of the others, because said engine will run better and last longer than an engie I will build. This is not due to poor worksmanship on my part, just excellent worksmanship on Rob's part, plus the fact he is using newer parts.
IF, however, you canot afford the thought of dropping 3k on a motor, or even 2k, then Im your man. I can get your car running again, running strong to last for several years to come, for a minimal cost compared to anyone else in the market. IT is this niche, and this one only, that I want to fill int eh community; I dont have any interest in building race motors etc., anything more than a SP is something I dont want to work on because I know an engine with some used parts in it will not stand up to heavy/hard driving/racing.
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08-12-02, 05:10 PM
#39
Originally posted by 88 SE
You could always rebuild it yourself
How long does your friend plan to keep the car before he grows out of it?
A bargain $1000 engine from hypntyz7 is 99% sure to last at least 50k miles , which is 5 years for the most of us.
You have to ask yourself if it makes sense to spend $3000+ on an all new engine for a 15 year old car that you might not even keep. Not saying it's a bad idea if you plan to keep the car.
But you figure if you can spend $1500 on a rebuilt and install and the car runs for 2 years without any problems, thats a damn good price for getting 2 years of service (as far as cars go)
The other option of course if you rebuild yourself, think of all the things you can do to it! I'm rebuilding mine myself and am able to buy alot more stuff, check this list out:
You could always rebuild it yourself
How long does your friend plan to keep the car before he grows out of it?
A bargain $1000 engine from hypntyz7 is 99% sure to last at least 50k miles , which is 5 years for the most of us.
You have to ask yourself if it makes sense to spend $3000+ on an all new engine for a 15 year old car that you might not even keep. Not saying it's a bad idea if you plan to keep the car.
But you figure if you can spend $1500 on a rebuilt and install and the car runs for 2 years without any problems, thats a damn good price for getting 2 years of service (as far as cars go)
The other option of course if you rebuild yourself, think of all the things you can do to it! I'm rebuilding mine myself and am able to buy alot more stuff, check this list out:
Rat
08-12-02, 06:48 PM
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If he wants to keep the car "forever" as you say then a rebuild isn't really an option. Life expetancy of rotor housings deminishes with each rebuild. If he doesn't mind spending a few extra dollars he should invest in a NEW engine.
Check out Mazdatrix's engine list
http://www.mazdatrix.com/engnumna.htm
It might seem a bit pricey and the warranty is pretty standard on their engines, BUT they will last far longer than an engine with used parts.
Mazdatrix also offers about any option you could want including using higher compression/lighter 89+ rotors in the engines. It's worth a look!
But like I said if he wants the keep the car forever, it may be worth it to buy an engine that is rebuilt with new housings and maybe even rotors just because it is sure to last longer.
I would recommend an engine with new rotor housings, lapped side housings, new 89+ rotors and all new bearings. That will be an engine that will last the car another 150k miles or more.
It's all just how much he wants to spend.. Mazdatrix can build you a engine that will last forever, but you're gonna pay for it
Check out Mazdatrix's engine list
http://www.mazdatrix.com/engnumna.htm
It might seem a bit pricey and the warranty is pretty standard on their engines, BUT they will last far longer than an engine with used parts.
Mazdatrix also offers about any option you could want including using higher compression/lighter 89+ rotors in the engines. It's worth a look!
But like I said if he wants the keep the car forever, it may be worth it to buy an engine that is rebuilt with new housings and maybe even rotors just because it is sure to last longer.
I would recommend an engine with new rotor housings, lapped side housings, new 89+ rotors and all new bearings. That will be an engine that will last the car another 150k miles or more.
It's all just how much he wants to spend.. Mazdatrix can build you a engine that will last forever, but you're gonna pay for it
08-12-02, 06:57 PM
#42
Originally posted by banzaitoyota
Thats nice to hear J-Rat. A man who appreciates his cars.
Thats nice to hear J-Rat. A man who appreciates his cars.
On another note, anyone ever deal with Hayes Rotary? I can get thier motor through Checker Auto (my second job). Thier motor is $1800, and I can get 25% off of that for my employee discount.
08-12-02, 08:58 PM
#45
Originally posted by J-Rat
Yeah, I know that I am never getting rid of mine either. Since it was the first car I ever drove when it was brand new in 87. I was 15 when my aunt bought it, now 15 years later, its finally mine!!! When its rebuild time, I am gonna do it right.
On another note, anyone ever deal with Hayes Rotary? I can get thier motor through Checker Auto (my second job). Thier motor is $1800, and I can get 25% off of that for my employee discount.
Yeah, I know that I am never getting rid of mine either. Since it was the first car I ever drove when it was brand new in 87. I was 15 when my aunt bought it, now 15 years later, its finally mine!!! When its rebuild time, I am gonna do it right.
On another note, anyone ever deal with Hayes Rotary? I can get thier motor through Checker Auto (my second job). Thier motor is $1800, and I can get 25% off of that for my employee discount.
08-12-02, 09:06 PM
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I would rather have diagnosed my 15 year old engine first and made sure I had a viable powerplant BEFORE I bought N1's, Aftermarket rims and suspension. Sounds like putting the cart in front of the horse. Sound like an expensive lesson in the BASICS!
08-13-02, 09:05 AM
#48
Opinions are like........
Originally posted by banzaitoyota
I would rather have diagnosed my 15 year old engine first and made sure I had a viable powerplant BEFORE I bought N1's, Aftermarket rims and suspension. Sounds like putting the cart in front of the horse. Sound like an expensive lesson in the BASICS!
I would rather have diagnosed my 15 year old engine first and made sure I had a viable powerplant BEFORE I bought N1's, Aftermarket rims and suspension. Sounds like putting the cart in front of the horse. Sound like an expensive lesson in the BASICS!
As someone stated, the only expensive rebuild is a cheap rebuild. You figure it out.
All the good JDM motors stay in Japan. We get all the broken ones. Who here will fly to Japan to beat the snot out of the JDM recycle yard owners? Anyone? They aren't even taking a risk by shipping junk. Anyone know if there is a market for USADM components in Japan? I'm gonna make a killing on broken domestic parts shipped to Japan
Regardless of which builder you choose, make sure you follow their instructions for warranty coverage. The rebuilders know why the engines fail. Don't just toss the rebuild in and expect it to last. Any rebuilder that denies a warranty claim has that right if you have no proof of a flushing oil cooler, rebuilt/replaced radiator, ....and whatever the rebuilder requires. Rarely is a failed engine the rebuilders fault. Usually it is the installers/owners fault.
Too many people slam a rebuilder because of their own ignorance.
For example: additives/overheating/failed lubrication/owner negligence(very common)/misuse/abuse.....
http://www.hayesrotary.com/page19.htm
http://mazdatrix.com/w.htm
http://pineappleracing.com/PricelistSvcs.html
08-13-02, 09:36 AM
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See DeadRX7Conv, we do agree on alot of things!!!!
Thats why I had my oil cooler flushed by someone who knows how to flush oil coolers, ie a FAA certified repair facility, expensive not really.
Its amazing how many people figure out how to do it right the second or third time.
Thats why I had my oil cooler flushed by someone who knows how to flush oil coolers, ie a FAA certified repair facility, expensive not really.
Its amazing how many people figure out how to do it right the second or third time.
08-13-02, 12:00 PM
#50
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RYANDOGG: Your source appears to be BOGUS: Here is the Email I just recieved from them:
From: JDMCars <sales@jdmcars.com>
To: zach12@TOOLKITMAIL.COM
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:35:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Re:
Opps, I am sorry. I missed that in your email. We just hand another inquiry
on the RX7, must have gotten the emails mixed up.
We haven't seen the earlier RX7 motors for over 8 months now, I don't think
we will be getting them in any longer.
You might want to try -www.jpsecjdm.net
Tell them JDMCars sent you please.
Sincerely,
Customer Service
www.jdmcars.com
550 JSPECS!!! HAAAAAAA!!!!!
From: JDMCars <sales@jdmcars.com>
To: zach12@TOOLKITMAIL.COM
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:35:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Re:
Opps, I am sorry. I missed that in your email. We just hand another inquiry
on the RX7, must have gotten the emails mixed up.
We haven't seen the earlier RX7 motors for over 8 months now, I don't think
we will be getting them in any longer.
You might want to try -www.jpsecjdm.net
Tell them JDMCars sent you please.
Sincerely,
Customer Service
www.jdmcars.com
550 JSPECS!!! HAAAAAAA!!!!!