Fuel sys won't depressurize - sec. rail prob?
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Interestingly enough, myself and a friend, both with good condition engines and strong compression numbers experienced the same thing after having our injectors cleaned/balanced.
For myself it began flooding ever since. For my friend, he only has 36k miles on his engine and flooding began the day he put in the rebuilt injectors.
For myself it began flooding ever since. For my friend, he only has 36k miles on his engine and flooding began the day he put in the rebuilt injectors.
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Originally posted by Ni5mo180SX
Interestingly enough, myself and a friend, both with good condition engines and strong compression numbers experienced the same thing after having our injectors cleaned/balanced.
For myself it began flooding ever since. For my friend, he only has 36k miles on his engine and flooding began the day he put in the rebuilt injectors.
Interestingly enough, myself and a friend, both with good condition engines and strong compression numbers experienced the same thing after having our injectors cleaned/balanced.
For myself it began flooding ever since. For my friend, he only has 36k miles on his engine and flooding began the day he put in the rebuilt injectors.
Then perhaps the moral is if it ain't on fire, don't fix it.
That's interesting to hear. FWIW, maybe you ought to take at look at your ignition system...
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Originally posted by Amur_
- all 4 plugs were cleaned 24 hours ago. When he pulled them he said that the trailing ones looked fine, but the leading ones did not. He pointed to a small, clean 'ring' at the innermost edges of the electrodes (I can chop a pic if anyone's having trouble with that description) and said that the last time he saw that pattern on a plug the rotor was about to go...
- all 4 plugs were cleaned 24 hours ago. When he pulled them he said that the trailing ones looked fine, but the leading ones did not. He pointed to a small, clean 'ring' at the innermost edges of the electrodes (I can chop a pic if anyone's having trouble with that description) and said that the last time he saw that pattern on a plug the rotor was about to go...
He also said the leading ones looked as though the motor was running rich. The thing was, the trailing plugs looked fine. So it looks like the leading plugs aren't doing their job. Not doing it well enough, anyway...
- I did a resistance test on the L1 wire (all high tension leads are OEM, the leading ones are the 'long' pair.) The 87 FSM says 16k/m. I got 7.7k. Is a lower resistance a desirable thing, or is it time to go shopping?
So it looks as though there's a chance that my flooding is due to poor ignition on the leading plugs rather than a dying motor. I can't tell ya what a relief that was to hear. I only hope that it proves to be true.
-Ted
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Originally posted by RETed
Verify the leadings are firing?[/i]
Verify the leadings are firing?[/i]
I'll check all 4 plugs, as described.
Check all 4 leads - if they are all close, then it's not that bad.
I'll check all of the wires, plus an additional spare 4 I've squirreled away.
To add my data point to the whole pro fuel injector cleaning, I've had the same thing. There might be an interesting connection between flooding and pro injector cleaning...
I'll be damned...
We also discovered last night that my right outer tie rod end is about to fall off the car. The new one isn't due in until Tuesday and I'm going to try to keep her off the road until then; I'll do everything at once and post back Tuesday night.
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So the only thing I didn't get done tonight was the damn tie rod end. The puller that I thought was at the shop wasn't.
Anyway, on with story...
- all 4 of my 'long' plug wires come back at slightly under 8k ohms.
- I show 11.7 volts at the leading coil. This is both before and after hella-cleaning its base (I assume that it grounds itself to the body...)
- I pulled the leading plugs. They looked just like they did last week. Black, like they're running rich... Didn't pull the trailing plugs - I think it's safe to assume that they're brown, like last week.
- did the coil resistance test (s4 FSM 5-31). Got 0.6, well within spec.
- didn't get to look at the plugs actually firing (was working alone.) Maybe Wednesday...
[edit]
- put in a spare set of leading plugs in very good condition. If this 'rich' state doesn't appear on them, we'll know my old plugs were pooched. If these temps do come back black... maybe it's time for new plugs...
Some things I probably should have mentioned earlier...
I have an un-tuned S-AFC in the car. It's hooked up properly but it's still on the factory default settings. The S-AFC was in the car before the flooding problem started.
The washers on all 4 plugs have been removed. I have been doing this with all my plugs since I first read about the idea here on the forum about 2 years ago.
On the fuel injector cleaning comments - are there any other options for dealing with fuel injectors other than pro cleaning? I think it's time for a Google search after this goes up.
Anyway, on with story...
- all 4 of my 'long' plug wires come back at slightly under 8k ohms.
- I show 11.7 volts at the leading coil. This is both before and after hella-cleaning its base (I assume that it grounds itself to the body...)
- I pulled the leading plugs. They looked just like they did last week. Black, like they're running rich... Didn't pull the trailing plugs - I think it's safe to assume that they're brown, like last week.
- did the coil resistance test (s4 FSM 5-31). Got 0.6, well within spec.
- didn't get to look at the plugs actually firing (was working alone.) Maybe Wednesday...
[edit]
- put in a spare set of leading plugs in very good condition. If this 'rich' state doesn't appear on them, we'll know my old plugs were pooched. If these temps do come back black... maybe it's time for new plugs...
Some things I probably should have mentioned earlier...
I have an un-tuned S-AFC in the car. It's hooked up properly but it's still on the factory default settings. The S-AFC was in the car before the flooding problem started.
The washers on all 4 plugs have been removed. I have been doing this with all my plugs since I first read about the idea here on the forum about 2 years ago.
On the fuel injector cleaning comments - are there any other options for dealing with fuel injectors other than pro cleaning? I think it's time for a Google search after this goes up.
Last edited by Amur_; 02-18-04 at 12:54 AM.
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There might be an interesting connection between flooding and pro injector cleaning...
-Ted [/B]
-Ted [/B]
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