OK, lets face it. Every single person on this forum wants a Front Mount. The only thing that stops us from having them is the cost. Right?

One talented person with time on their hands needs to fabricate a COMPLETE kit that looks worthy and works good, whether it be with the Starion or NPR IC.

Then start making some duplicates and selling them on the forum. I think I would pay 300-500 bux for a decent front mount. The person fabricating these kits would turn good profit and everybody is happy. I dont have the time or the equipment. Someone out there must have these 2 things.

Just a thought.

 

but cant u get a starion one for like 50 bux on ebay, then go to a muffler shop to make some pipe up for like 100 bux or something.

 

Many people have tried building things for a lower price but they never sell very good. The cheapest/easiest thing to do for a T-II is to make a kit to adapt the stock ic for use as a front mount. It would still have many advantages over the top mount location but not as good as aftermarket. It would be very cheap and easy to do though. I do make a few pieces that I can sell; new exhaust sleeves, custom intake manifolds, T-II tb inlet pipes. Nobody wants to pay for them. Good idea though. Its easier to give advice and let people try for themselves.

 

where in houston are you? I'm looking to do a fmic in the near future, I'll probably buy a npr core, but I'll need help fabricating the piping. Anyways always good to meet other turbo II's and all 2nd gens in the area

 

Quote: OK, lets face it. Every single person on this forum wants a Front Mount.

Please, FMICs are so 80s. Our cars are blessed w/ a huge amount of space in the engine bay so why not use a horizontal mount IC like the race FCs and FDs?

I'm getting closer to completing my horizontal mount (much like yellow Panspeeds FC, but cleaner install) and have wondered if there is enough interest to sell a kit. All the benifits of FMIC, plus mere inches of IC piping required and a IC core protected from damage.

Specs are a NPR core w/ inlet outlet in modded position laid horizontally right behind the front radiator support (runs behind and between the headlights). I am using a 26"X19"X3" radiator behind that slanted just opposite the stock slant and a Black Magic fan. The oil cooler is moved to infront of the big chassis tube and vertical for full cooling and clearance for the bottom of the radiator (plus I am running a second stock oil cooler right on top of the big tube, so much room in our cars!). There will be a layer of insulated sheet metal between the IC and the area infront of the radiator so no heat soak and it acts to duct all the air from the nose throught the oil cooler and radiator. The IC will have its own air source that will either be piped in from the brake cooling ducts and flash to pass on a stock front end or on a modded front end through a slit between the front turn signals (the bumper rub strip replaced w/ black mesh on my '87 to do it). You can use a stock hood and rely on relieving the air through the 2-3" above the IC and the hood and out the trans tunnel (like a FMIC and the oil coooler and radiator) or add a reverse scoop in the low pressure area just above it like race cars (I have a cute little CF reverse scoop I am putting on an NA aluminum hood). You can even add a true ram air intake from either the space between the radiator and IC on top or infront of the radiator, below the IC on the side- or both for overkill...
Any interest? Its all in there except the shrouding and I should have pics in a couple weeks... Ian

 

Its a good idea. Hell, I thought of the same thing. I was going to do the piping myself even. But when it came down to it, it would only save me a little money and not give me the best performance. $500 for a custom one you have to do alot of work to complete and no reassurance it is going to do all that much better. Thats I why I decided to put out the extra $350 and get the GReddy one. It has proven results, so no worries.

 

That's the problem...

The way I price a real FMIC, it's at least $1,000 min.
$600 for 24" wide tube/fin core
$300 for end-tanks
$500 for aluminum mandrel-bent pipes
$200 in 3-ply silicone couplers
$200 for aluminum TIG welding


This would require a relocated radiator, so it would basically require an upgrade radiator, which adds another $500.

So that's already $2,000 EASY.


-Ted

 

ok
i have been thinking about it how does 550 shipped sound with an npr intercooler?piping and all the silicone

 

I Managed to do my fmic for 1500.00 Canadian, which translates roughly to 700.0 US using a spearco core..Max

 

http://www.sdsefi.com/techcooler.htm

i found this out when i was looking for a stan alone.

-mike

 

why not just someone take a starion intercooler for example and do all the piping and sell just the pipiing because once you got that all the buyer would need to do is trake down the intercooler. and it would be a hell of a alot cheaper. than including the intercooler.

 

I think that someone should weld two stock top-mounts together into one larger front-mount. the stock one flows decently and cools well enough when frnt mounted like aaron cake's. anyone agree that someone should weld two together? that means that you already have the endtanks, all you'd need to buy would be the piping.

 

and the "new" greddy kit retails for under $1000, it just doesnt make a lot of sense to make your own

mike

 

Jacob I've already done that! It works very well cost and didn't cost hardly anything. T-II cores are easy to find for next to nothing and I can get aluminum end tanks made up for sometimes free or maybe a couple of bucks. A friend of mine welds aluminum for cheap as well. I have 2 starion cores put together one on top of the other with custom end tanks. I have less than $150 in the whole assembly. I've also converted T-II cores to air/water like BDC did.

 

nice. why dont you get me one fabbed up? i also need the piping, because knowing me, i'd be tempted to go up to home depot and buy PVC pipe to do all my routing and i need some real pipes. none of that plastic ****.

 

Got mine for $885 with shipping.

 

It's not big enough.
And my set-up (if I ever get the money for it) is really a custom kit in a very rare position.

You do know why that GReddy kit is cheap, right?


-Ted

 

Ted

Do tell why its so cheap. I had a kit a few years ago and ended up selling it and making my own setup. Im interested in your opinion on that greddy kit.

Graham

 

Maybe because its a pain in the *** to install and it doesn't fit worth a ****. Well it does fit fine it just needs to be modded to get the piping to fit correctly.

 

Doesnt fit is right. My kit was missing parts and they didnt want to give me any customer support as to why things werent working with my stock turbo. Now i dont even waste my time buying anything premade, seems like nothing ever fits. Better to build it yourself.

Graham

 

I second Ted, The car world is much like anything else for the most part.


You get what you pay for.


Dave
87 TII - Series V Conversion
Senior Electrical Engineering Major @ Texas A&M

 

The "V-Spec" core is very cheap to manufacture and less efficient than (GReddy R-Spec core) an internally finned IC core.&nbsp You get less pressure drop due to the "bigger" tubes (V-Spec), but the intercooler doesn't work as efficiently as internally finned IC cores (R-Spec).&nbsp Compare the 24V versus the 24R and you see the price difference between the two.

Sure, the V-spec is priced nicely for the size, but I'd rather pay the extra dollars to run a better designed IC system, especially in this case of a front-mount on an FC3S.


-Ted

 

you get what you pay for !!!
excuse me but 900.00 is not pocket change !
at least not for me

 

Blue TII: I wanna see this horizontal of yours. I was thinking of doing pretty much the same thing with an npr that I am getting.

 

thats not big enough?

mike