First Ride in a T2.....
10-29-04, 01:03 PM
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who ever said a modded na is going to beat a turbo, i wanna see videos, cause im not believing that **** you must mean HEAVILY modded, and even then i'd still have to see it to believe it
10-29-04, 02:05 PM
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One of my friends traded his '90 TII (he put a big dent in the side on accident behind the passenger side door) for a POS 240SX which he's replacing with a 1990 mazda 323. Anyway, the TII was stock down to the airbox. Definitely faster than the NA.
10-29-04, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Fitness Stain
who ever said a modded na is going to beat a turbo, i wanna see videos, cause im not believing that **** you must mean HEAVILY modded, and even then i'd still have to see it to believe it
theres plenty of n/as in the 14s
10-29-04, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SureShot
Another RX-7 owner "Seduced by the dark side"
I should explain: The dark side is manifold pressure above zero.
I should explain: The dark side is manifold pressure above zero.
technically NA's with there dei or vdi intakes see manifold pressure spikes above atmosphereic....
10-29-04, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bukwild
"It must have had a few mods. A stock TII can't outrun a decently modded NA"
In your dreams it can't
In your dreams it can't
Stock TIIs run low 15's. A base S4 NA with decent street port, header and intake will get in the high 14's.
My dreams become a reality, unlike most peoples' ......... I'm able to produce what I dream up........
10-29-04, 04:15 PM
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ok so stock turbo against a street ported / moddedNA ...and your talking about tenths of second there ... thats NOTHING .. you 1/4 mile freaks think thats all that matters is a few 10ths of a second, but in reality thats next to nothing ... do a **** load of mods to an NA and you get a few tenths of second faster than a stock turbo ... big deal .. do as much mods to the turbo as you do to the NA, and theres no comparison to power there ...
10-29-04, 04:34 PM
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i love all rx7s, fast na's have their ups....such as relaibility.........and as for turbo ones.......theres nothing like boost on a rotary. Ive owned both kinds and i love em both
10-29-04, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Fitness Stain
ok so stock turbo against a street ported / moddedNA ...and your talking about tenths of second there ... thats NOTHING .. you 1/4 mile freaks think thats all that matters is a few 10ths of a second, but in reality thats next to nothing ... do a **** load of mods to an NA and you get a few tenths of second faster than a stock turbo ... big deal .. do as much mods to the turbo as you do to the NA, and theres no comparison to power there ...
we never said it was better
youre the one getting off here
we said it was faster than a stock TII, which is true
im done now since this is not the point of the topic
10-29-04, 05:14 PM
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"stock TII runs 15 flat
theres plenty of n/as in the 14s"
Yeah all kidding aside I just sold a what I can stock 88 t2 with the following mods.
greddy catback/original was rusted
RB down pipe/Pre cat was rusted and had a hole in it
FCD
and that's it. Now I call that stock and it will beat just about any 86-91 stock to street ported NA out their.
theres plenty of n/as in the 14s"
Yeah all kidding aside I just sold a what I can stock 88 t2 with the following mods.
greddy catback/original was rusted
RB down pipe/Pre cat was rusted and had a hole in it
FCD
and that's it. Now I call that stock and it will beat just about any 86-91 stock to street ported NA out their.
10-29-04, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 88t2romad
i love all rx7s, fast na's have their ups....such as relaibility.........and as for turbo ones.......theres nothing like boost on a rotary. Ive owned both kinds and i love em both
I agreem i have owned both, both are nice.... but i have to give it to the Turbo, they are fast stock, and dont take much work to get them faster.
With an N/A its a little harder to get them fast.
But hey, as long as its a 7, i am happy!
10-29-04, 06:19 PM
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Please, a well modded n/a WILL outrun a stock TII anyday. I was running 14.6s and 14.7s@97mph in my n/a. And if any car has the upper hand in a drag race, its the TII, not the n/a.
But yes, modded TIIs are fast.
But yes, modded TIIs are fast.
10-29-04, 06:53 PM
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i never said that a modded N/A would not beat a stock TII..... besides, that is an extreamly unfair statment, and the N/A could be a PP.... well yeah its going to kick the turbo's ***!
I have a N/A drag car, and a Turbo street car. belive me, i know both.
my point was simply stock TII pull pretty hard FOR BEING STOCK..... stock N/A's are quick, but nothing to brag about.
i dont know about you guys, but 14, 15, 16, 17, ect... second cars are nothing to brag about.
My other point was that it is much less work to make the TII fast, all it takes is an exhaust system and a FCD and your going from 7.5 pounds of boost, to about 10 pounds. thats not much work for so much horse power.
I have a N/A drag car, and a Turbo street car. belive me, i know both.
my point was simply stock TII pull pretty hard FOR BEING STOCK..... stock N/A's are quick, but nothing to brag about.
i dont know about you guys, but 14, 15, 16, 17, ect... second cars are nothing to brag about.
My other point was that it is much less work to make the TII fast, all it takes is an exhaust system and a FCD and your going from 7.5 pounds of boost, to about 10 pounds. thats not much work for so much horse power.
10-29-04, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by speeddemon32
i never said that a modded N/A would not beat a stock TII..... besides, that is an extreamly unfair statment, and the N/A could be a PP.... well yeah its going to kick the turbo's ***!
I have a N/A drag car, and a Turbo street car. belive me, i know both.
my point was simply stock TII pull pretty hard FOR BEING STOCK..... stock N/A's are quick, but nothing to brag about.
i dont know about you guys, but 14, 15, 16, 17, ect... second cars are nothing to brag about.
My other point was that it is much less work to make the TII fast, all it takes is an exhaust system and a FCD and your going from 7.5 pounds of boost, to about 10 pounds. thats not much work for so much horse power.
I have a N/A drag car, and a Turbo street car. belive me, i know both.
my point was simply stock TII pull pretty hard FOR BEING STOCK..... stock N/A's are quick, but nothing to brag about.
i dont know about you guys, but 14, 15, 16, 17, ect... second cars are nothing to brag about.
My other point was that it is much less work to make the TII fast, all it takes is an exhaust system and a FCD and your going from 7.5 pounds of boost, to about 10 pounds. thats not much work for so much horse power.
10-29-04, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Fitness Stain
ok so stock turbo against a street ported / moddedNA ...and your talking about tenths of second there ... thats NOTHING .. you 1/4 mile freaks think thats all that matters is a few 10ths of a second, but in reality thats next to nothing ... do a **** load of mods to an NA and you get a few tenths of second faster than a stock turbo ... big deal .. do as much mods to the turbo as you do to the NA, and theres no comparison to power there ...
10-29-04, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dDuB
Haha, you're funny. If I had been able to get a decent (read 2.0 at lowest) 60 foot at the drags in my n/a, I would've been in 14's on STOCKPORT. I ran a 15.3 with a 2.3 60' at the track for the 1/4 no porting at all, just manifold porting, tb mod, weight reduction, full exhaust and intake. 14's was easily possible for me on stock port, but before I could get back to the track I tore the motor down for a rebuild/port. I'm looking at mid to low 14's no problem now as long as I can keep my 60' down (need to get better at launching) and I'm sure I can hit 13's with no forced induction with some tweaking.
"haha" ...you did a lot of work on your ******* car to make it quick ... most TII owners dont have to ..
im not putting down the n/a it has potential, i mean icemark made 200 with an n/a, with ALOT of work that the average seven owner cant/wont do....
im not trying to have a pissing contest here, as i could care less about the whole thing i mean we all own rotary's here .. cant we all just get along
my main point was the way some of you people are making it sound is that the modded n/a is an equal to the turbo II which i just dont agree with
speeddemon .. i couldnt agree more with what you said
10-29-04, 07:45 PM
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Before the port I didn't do a whole lotta work... Weight reduction, ripping **** out, full exhaust big deal, cone filter so what, portmatching manifolds not hard, TB mod just unscrewing ****.
The port was just done with the rebuild, not really a lot of work, but yes I'll agree many 7 owners may not know how or want to do that, I threw an RB aluminum flywheel on at the same time, no biggie.
My point is it really isn't hard to get an n/a into mid to low 14's, and I'm hoping for 13's.
The port was just done with the rebuild, not really a lot of work, but yes I'll agree many 7 owners may not know how or want to do that, I threw an RB aluminum flywheel on at the same time, no biggie.
My point is it really isn't hard to get an n/a into mid to low 14's, and I'm hoping for 13's.
10-29-04, 07:50 PM
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It isn't by any means easy to get an n/a into the low 14s on a budget. If you are not on a budget, you should just buy a TII anyways. Well streetable anyways. Sure I could make an n/a drag car on a budget: Remove interior, emissions, A/C, front sway-bar, ect. Massively streetport the motor, and just run a header and a cone filter, throw some slicks on. But then you have an all out drag car, that only runs 13s.
So anyways. Modded TIIs>well modded n/as> stock TIIs> slightly modded/stock n/as
So anyways. Modded TIIs>well modded n/as> stock TIIs> slightly modded/stock n/as
10-29-04, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BDoty311
So anyways. Modded TIIs>well modded n/as> stock TIIs> slightly modded/stock n/as
shouldnt this be sticky'd?
it comes up enough to warrent it right?
jk
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10-29-04, 10:35 PM
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Arguing stock versus modded is a fricken waste of time...
"I told you so..."
"Welcome to the dark side..."
Getting an NA to make 200+hp at the wheels is next to impossible without the use of NOS or wild (i.e. bridge) porting.
A 13BT does 200 at the wheels with an upgrade exhaust.
While the NA is breaking 200 at the wheels, the turbo is breaking 300 at the wheels.
While the NA tops out at 250 or so with that BP short of a PP, the turbo is hitting 400hp.
Now, we can argue about driveability and linear response, but when it comes down to POWER, it's not even close...
-Ted
"I told you so..."
"Welcome to the dark side..."
Getting an NA to make 200+hp at the wheels is next to impossible without the use of NOS or wild (i.e. bridge) porting.
A 13BT does 200 at the wheels with an upgrade exhaust.
While the NA is breaking 200 at the wheels, the turbo is breaking 300 at the wheels.
While the NA tops out at 250 or so with that BP short of a PP, the turbo is hitting 400hp.
Now, we can argue about driveability and linear response, but when it comes down to POWER, it's not even close...
-Ted
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