cbrock

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DC350, for some reason I thought wormiez said that it was your car that he tested fitted these on? Perhaps not. However, you are on British Columbia, have you seen these in person before? Just wondering.

Erik

In Wormeiz defense, I also bought a Feed lip from him and was very happy with the way business was conducted. I thought the lip was shipped promptly and with enough bubble wrap padding to protect it. I'm sorry to hear that your's came cracked and wish you luck in repairing it and resolving the issue...

here is a pic of mine still yet to be mounted:

patrick2377

wait a minute, has anybody read the rest of the posts regarding these lips, I know nothing more than what's posted on this forum, and until reading this I was barely considering buying one, now no way. The truth: Seller, whether retailer or online (the following is more true for online) is responsible for their reputation. This reputation is there money, and if this was my money (read reputation) I would invest in replacing that guys lip! I mean if this were your business, wouldn't you have responded directly, and paid or replaced that lip, would cost less than the 17 potential buyers lost through negative word of mouth (this is a standard statistic taught throughout all marketing classes)!!!! The gentleman with the defective lip is obviously not maliciously ruining this guys business, he just wants a lip that works. As for the surely to ensue arguement: "Then he'd (wormiez) would have to buy wormiez lip!" NO, not true as force insurance on the buyer, and follow up on every neg. immediately with care and deliberation. Those two percent of the population that rip people off tend to prove themselves to be crooks, which perhaps is what wormiez is seemingly demonstrating for us all

Wormiez

Hi
Please everybody don't generalize this situation and put me as the wrong person. This was just a misunderstanding. I just came back from vacation and we out having a chance to replie you have already labelled me as a crook.
I have spoke with you regarding the lip, through our emails. Everyone on the BCRX7 forums know i'm very honest in my business. I do not rip any body off nor do I run away from problems.
This incident is the first complaint I have recieved in my lip production. The lip I sent out to you is the first lip for a S4 all my other lips sent out were for S5. I told you in getting a lip to fit on a S4 there will be problems and custom work to be done. I told you in my email that I test fitted on my S5 bumper before shipping it. You can still custom mount the lip on your car some bondo. But that is your choice.
Your body shop quoted you 100 US is rather ridculous to repaid the lop. Thre is just a crack and no missing fibreglass. I have repaired body kits before and a crack like that in it stages of not being prepped yet can be easily fixed.



Here are pictures of the lip on a S4:
http://www.bcrx7.com/modules/Forums/...1036829795.jpg
http://www.bcrx7.com/modules/Forums/...1036830590.jpg

If you want I will refund you the money having that you send the lip back to me in Vancouver BC.

Again I'm very sorry for this problem.

patrick2377

whoa, did not mean your were a crook! Not even, just a perhaps, and that last sentence was directed at anyone who would make a false claim to recieve something from you. Peace!

Wormiez

Ok sorry.
I have had a problem in the past from Demondspeed when I ordered two lips from him. Both of them I never recieved and I'm still at a lost of 600 from that case.
I made the copies purely so that everyone could have an oppotunity at purchains the lips at a cheaper rate. I only sold 12 lips and I have stop production of them sinze last month. I'm not in this for profit but to cover the charges of making the mold.

I'm about to recieve GP side skirts and RE rear bumper, I don't think I will have to time and effort again in taking the chance in making replica's.

But this situation I will resolve.

1FastT2

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Hey guys, just for the record, I ordered one which is still being delivered and had great comunication with Wormiez about the purchase. Everything went smoothly. I will of coarce give my reveiw once it is painted and mounted on the car but im sure it will be a good one.

cbrock

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Damn he used the last of the bubble wrap on yours


I'm not saying he's a crook either and the problem truely isn't the crack anymore. That can be repaired. The quote for the repair is sitting right here and I can scan it if you wish. Right now the BIGGEST problem is that fact that it's too wide. Take a look at those pictures. So yes, an S5 bumper is different, but I'll be damned if the fenders are different and the rx7's chasis was widened from 88 to 89. To be truely honest I don't even know how something that was made in a mold can be screwed up. However, you said that you had quite a few not line up. I will contact you off list. That picture of it on the S4 looks fine? Question, did it line up on the fenders or not?

As for custom work to fit, this lip would need cut in half and material removed. By that time I could have bought the real feed lip.

cbrock

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my email, for some reason or another is down right now. I'll email you back as soon as I can.

cbrock

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**update**

The last email I received, he was still blaming me for not specifying I wanted insurance and that I should make a claim with UPS. Again, when he quotes a price that includes shipping, it is a price that will get the object in question to your house in GOOD condition. Until I open it and inspect it, it's still HIS property. If it's screwed up, he's the one that deals with it. Either be it refunding my money, shipping me a new one or dealing with the freight company. I didn't spend 300 hard earned dollars to waste my holiday break arguing with UPS or with him. Hell, the damn thing doesn't even fit.

To anyone else that bought one. Did he ask you if you wanted insurance? I'm guessing, probably not. Did he give you a run down of what everything costs? I know I didn't. So how are we suppose to know how much shipping was, or how much the actual lip was?


Still looking to resolve this matter, but my patience beings to run thin.

Chuck

dr0x

"Caveat Emptor" - Let the buyer beware.

cbrock

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This is what is great and sucks about the internet. It allows us to talk and purchase things that we would normally not be able to buy. I make it up to British Columbia a few times a year with work, but would never have known about these lips. So you put trust into someone and assume they'll do the right thing. Most times you get a super smooth transaction and everything is cool. Occationally you don't. To everyone, make sure you use some kind of escrow services, such as paypal.

dr0x

Yes it allows you to buy things you normally couldnt get. However, as the buyer it is your job to make sure everything is upto your expectations, same goes for the seller. You obviously wanted the shipment to be insured, incase of some crap like this, but made no attempt to find out if it was. Really, its not his fault its cracked. However, the fitment does suck, and I have no clue what he said about how it fits a s4.

Erik

the price was 300/shipped...that was reason enough for me to want it...considering it was half of what it would cost for the real one...

before i bought it i researched Womeiz on two forums and talked to people who dealt with him who assured me he was a good guy to deal with. Sorry yours is cracked but I assure you Wormeiz is a great guy who is not out to get anyone...

cbrock

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That's fine, and that's what I heard as well. We'll see what he does and I'll keep everyone updated. As a side note, I called UPS and insurance was only $0.35 per 100 dollars of insurance. Silly of me not to think that was included in the price of shipping

Scott 89t2

actually it yours as soon as you sign for it... if you opened it up after you signed for it and the guy left I don't even think you can claim insurance on it anyways... what you really need to do is open it up while the guy is standing there. if it's broken you can try to deal with that ups guy. or refuse to take it and it'll be shiped back right there.

anyways I'm pretty sure he posted above that he'll take it back and return the money...

it sucks that one of you will lose the money for something neither of you did...

FYI he didn't even make a profit on these lips... he only had 10 or so made. to recover the costs of making one copy for himself since the mold was like $1000 for the first one.

cbrock

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You know, now that I think about it, UPS just dropped it off. Either way, UPS is liable for up to $100.00 (uninsured) for damages. With that money he can repair it and resell if he likes. Like I said before, I'm not concerned as much about the crack as I am the very poor fitment. The way the lip was lining up with the fender, I doubt it would mount to an S5 either. I will be shipping it back, I just need to find out from him if he's having UPS come to pick it up to start the insurance claim. And the ultimate thing that sucks about all of this is that I REALLY wanted one of those lips. Now I'm stuck trying to build that one I was working on months ago. Boooo...sooooo much work getting a mold made from scratch.

**He actually told me he sold 12 which covered the cost of the mold and the original**

Erik

Fujita made it for the S5...and fits perfectly. I've seen it on dozens of cars and many of those who replied already have it mounted on their car...
Good luck

Wormiez

I have spoken to you through email already. Regarding this issue. Yes I no longer make them, and yes I sold 12 to be exact including local sales. I completely covered the cost of building these replica's. Therefore I have no intentions of profiting on these lips to sell at a lower price, because it would be unfair to the initial buyers. As well to make the lip a rare commoditie. At first I never wanted to produce replica's for the sake because I wanted to have one of the only few of these lips in North America.

I have shipped all of them with no complaints at all, the price I put intially to sell each lip was 320 US including shipping. To make a pay of the original, but the price was reduced hoping I sell the initial order. Each of my buyers are satisfied with the order and the shipment. I have had a couple purchase insurace from me. But under my ads I did not sell whether or not I will include insurance. I noted what the lips come with.

If you order through any of the larger companies online insurace is considered a fee to add on. Such as ordering parts of Rx7.com, they do not include insurance unless you add it on "asking" them. Evevn products sold on EBAY do not include insurance unless you ask the seller. The price given to you for UPS is in US but in Canada UPS cost more for shipping into the United States. Please do your research before complaing about my shipping prices.

I understand how you really wanted the lip initially but I told you ahead of time this lip was built for a S5 and will need custom work for it to be installed. There may be deformities in the lip but I 'm not sure but I've made sure every lip is clean and fits before shipping.

Scott it right, once you sign the UPS documents its yours, i have ordered alot of parts from US and I have checked every box before signing. Because at the moment you are still able to refuse the product. I said I will repay you for the damges and consider that very rare for a seller to repay damages on a order through shippin.

Ni5mo180SX

At least wormiez (imo) handled the situation in a very professional manner.