FD alt dual belt problems
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first, the point of the yohoo is for people that are too cheap to buy a dual alt pully.
when the air pump is eliminated the result is the fact that the water pump pulley has VERY little contact with the remaning belt. how in the hell you think a yohoo belt creates more voltage is beyond me. as far as cavitation, IT'S A RESULT OF THE WATER PUMP MOVING TO FAST...not slowing down. seriously, look it up. the word is cavitation and a good website for looking this up is www.wikipedia.com. that being said...
was a stock diameter sized pulley used for a 2nd gen or 3rd gen?
a have a 3rd gen alternator on my fc and i had to custom bore a racing beat dual pulley, as well as, make a custom back spacer. i am aware that i am underclocking my alt until i figure out another dual pulley setup. i can deal with voltage between 12-14 for now.
when the air pump is eliminated the result is the fact that the water pump pulley has VERY little contact with the remaning belt. how in the hell you think a yohoo belt creates more voltage is beyond me. as far as cavitation, IT'S A RESULT OF THE WATER PUMP MOVING TO FAST...not slowing down. seriously, look it up. the word is cavitation and a good website for looking this up is www.wikipedia.com. that being said...
was a stock diameter sized pulley used for a 2nd gen or 3rd gen?
a have a 3rd gen alternator on my fc and i had to custom bore a racing beat dual pulley, as well as, make a custom back spacer. i am aware that i am underclocking my alt until i figure out another dual pulley setup. i can deal with voltage between 12-14 for now.
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Something to think about: I don't know which pulleys you speak of, but a friend of mine made a pulley for his car (not a rotary), which he had anodized. For whatever reason, once the belts warmed up a bit they tended to slip no matter what he did so he took a bit of sandpaper and cleaned the anodiziation(sp?) off the contact areas of the pulley. That fixed his problem.
Last edited by WonkoTheSane; 01-22-09 at 03:13 AM. Reason: Nevermind, you didn't have pics when I posted this! I didn't realize it wasn't anodized.
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Something to think about: I don't know which pulleys you speak of, but a friend of mine made a pulley for his car (not a rotary), which he had anodized. For whatever reason, once the belts warmed up a bit they tended to slip no matter what he did so he took a bit of sandpaper and cleaned the anodiziation(sp?) off the contact areas of the pulley. That fixed his problem.
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Update...
I have water pump waiting to go on. I'm just waiting for the housing to get back from the machine shop. I had it tapped for a water temp gauge.
What I found alternator related is that my alternator inner most belt is wearing unevenly. The engine side of the inner most belt is frayed a bit and there is considerable amount of black dust under the alternator pulley from the belt wear.
I've never dealt with alts and water pumps going bad, but here are my best guesses:
1. the alt and pump are both bad or going bad, but unrelated to each other
2. so long as the pulley I bought was as advertised (made for FD alt going on an FC) it shouldn't be an alignment issue
3. with the uneven wear of the inner most belt I'm probably looking at the alternator shaft being out of alignment with the cause being bearings in the alternator
any help is always appreciated
Last thing, is Gotham still in business? After the robbery they were doing alt rebuilds, but I can no longer find their website. Did they close up shop or am I missing something obvious?
I have water pump waiting to go on. I'm just waiting for the housing to get back from the machine shop. I had it tapped for a water temp gauge.
What I found alternator related is that my alternator inner most belt is wearing unevenly. The engine side of the inner most belt is frayed a bit and there is considerable amount of black dust under the alternator pulley from the belt wear.
I've never dealt with alts and water pumps going bad, but here are my best guesses:
1. the alt and pump are both bad or going bad, but unrelated to each other
2. so long as the pulley I bought was as advertised (made for FD alt going on an FC) it shouldn't be an alignment issue
3. with the uneven wear of the inner most belt I'm probably looking at the alternator shaft being out of alignment with the cause being bearings in the alternator
any help is always appreciated
Last thing, is Gotham still in business? After the robbery they were doing alt rebuilds, but I can no longer find their website. Did they close up shop or am I missing something obvious?
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Update...
I have water pump waiting to go on. I'm just waiting for the housing to get back from the machine shop. I had it tapped for a water temp gauge.
What I found alternator related is that my alternator inner most belt is wearing unevenly. The engine side of the inner most belt is frayed a bit and there is considerable amount of black dust under the alternator pulley from the belt wear.
I've never dealt with alts and water pumps going bad, but here are my best guesses:
1. the alt and pump are both bad or going bad, but unrelated to each other
I have water pump waiting to go on. I'm just waiting for the housing to get back from the machine shop. I had it tapped for a water temp gauge.
What I found alternator related is that my alternator inner most belt is wearing unevenly. The engine side of the inner most belt is frayed a bit and there is considerable amount of black dust under the alternator pulley from the belt wear.
I've never dealt with alts and water pumps going bad, but here are my best guesses:
1. the alt and pump are both bad or going bad, but unrelated to each other
Why don't you try this:
- Determine if the alternator bearings are good. If not, get them replaced at a regular alternator repair shop.
- Have them put a standard pulley on the alternator.
- Put the air pump with it's belt back on.
- Sell the dual alt pulley for a profit.
I bet your troubles are over.
Done!
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I bought the alternator used, if needed I have been looking into a replacement, rebuild, or remaned one...etc. Gotham was doing $150 rebuilds. Was going to put everything back together this weekend and see if the alternator and water pump behave differently/better.
The pulley got a decent amount of talk on these forums while they were still available and was bought from the same source as the other people who were happy with their purchase.
I was loosing coolant out of the weep hole of my water pump. I imagine the problems with both water pump and alternator could be overtightening the belts. I'm learning as I go, trying to improve my self-reliance...all that good stuff.
I don't have the airpump to go back to stock...didn't come with my engine. But my plan was to try each old belt as single belts till I find out if the alternator is bad. Test the deflection on them to see if they are in spec. Though I have to look in the FSM to see what spec is. Use single belts till I'm sure water pump and alternator problems are fixed.
Thanks for your help, user error might be as much at fault if not more than parts failure. Simply trying not to repeat any mistakes I'm making. You confirmed much of what I was thinking.
The pulley got a decent amount of talk on these forums while they were still available and was bought from the same source as the other people who were happy with their purchase.
I was loosing coolant out of the weep hole of my water pump. I imagine the problems with both water pump and alternator could be overtightening the belts. I'm learning as I go, trying to improve my self-reliance...all that good stuff.
I don't have the airpump to go back to stock...didn't come with my engine. But my plan was to try each old belt as single belts till I find out if the alternator is bad. Test the deflection on them to see if they are in spec. Though I have to look in the FSM to see what spec is. Use single belts till I'm sure water pump and alternator problems are fixed.
Thanks for your help, user error might be as much at fault if not more than parts failure. Simply trying not to repeat any mistakes I'm making. You confirmed much of what I was thinking.
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