FCs - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly
12-03-02, 09:25 PM
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Aight,
Most cars can't handle strait line racing, the rx-7 being the best of them all. Meaning lots of stopped launches equal faster mushing of one's tranny. Other cars can handle it better however, most street cars can't. These cars, to the contrary are corner killers. I walk all over turbo rx-7's with my N/a cause the turbo just gives you a mentality that you are faster than an N/a. It is proven that a N/a enters and moves through a corner faster than a Turbo. This is equaled by less breaking, less weight, less worries. However, the turbo equals better accel out of a corner. Furthermore, tell me on a Road course = lots of corners and few LONG straitaways do you ever hit the full potential of your turbo? Never. N/A's are great for road racing and auto x. You wanna mash gears get a turbo and since you can't drive go drag like the rest of the afully intelectily advanced people
Most cars can't handle strait line racing, the rx-7 being the best of them all. Meaning lots of stopped launches equal faster mushing of one's tranny. Other cars can handle it better however, most street cars can't. These cars, to the contrary are corner killers. I walk all over turbo rx-7's with my N/a cause the turbo just gives you a mentality that you are faster than an N/a. It is proven that a N/a enters and moves through a corner faster than a Turbo. This is equaled by less breaking, less weight, less worries. However, the turbo equals better accel out of a corner. Furthermore, tell me on a Road course = lots of corners and few LONG straitaways do you ever hit the full potential of your turbo? Never. N/A's are great for road racing and auto x. You wanna mash gears get a turbo and since you can't drive go drag like the rest of the afully intelectily advanced people
12-03-02, 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by sbertolone
maybe if you knew what a slipper clutch is you would realise its not just a clucth but rather a system that lets you leave underpower without spinning the wheels off teh car. fully gutted car around 2200 lbs. bridgeport around 300HP, a solid rear and a 4 link you would cut 60' around 1.3 i know domestic cars with 350 hp running 9s its all in the suspension.
im not saying that its a good idea but it can be done
maybe if you knew what a slipper clutch is you would realise its not just a clucth but rather a system that lets you leave underpower without spinning the wheels off teh car. fully gutted car around 2200 lbs. bridgeport around 300HP, a solid rear and a 4 link you would cut 60' around 1.3 i know domestic cars with 350 hp running 9s its all in the suspension.
im not saying that its a good idea but it can be done
12-03-02, 11:33 PM
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let me rephrase what i was saying earlier, n/a street car slow, n/a race cars can get damn fast, n/a rotories are kicking *** in all motor classes in different import ciruits many 1st gen cars are running 10s
12-03-02, 11:43 PM
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let me rephrase what i was saying earlier, n/a street car slow, n/a race cars can get damn fast, n/a rotories are kicking *** in all motor classes in different import ciruits many 1st gen cars are running 10s
12-04-02, 12:39 AM
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Yo,
Ask the drivers of the:
Integra GSR
Nissan 300ZX (NA)
Toyota Celica GT-S
Toyota MR2 Spyder
VW VR6 GTI
VW 1.8T GTI
That I passed at Thunderhill Raceway thought I was "incredibly slow" in my NA RX-7.
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=104171
Can they beat me at the strip? Sure! Can they beat me on a track, or in the hills? Hell no!
I'll take handling over straightline performance any day.
Kevin
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Ask the drivers of the:
Integra GSR
Nissan 300ZX (NA)
Toyota Celica GT-S
Toyota MR2 Spyder
VW VR6 GTI
VW 1.8T GTI
That I passed at Thunderhill Raceway thought I was "incredibly slow" in my NA RX-7.
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=104171
Can they beat me at the strip? Sure! Can they beat me on a track, or in the hills? Hell no!
I'll take handling over straightline performance any day.
Kevin
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12-04-02, 01:18 AM
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Just a comment for the fool(s) who said that the N/A was incredibly slow. What the hell are you thinking, for a 5 grand car (canadian dollar) you're getting one of the fastest N/A rides I can think of. My N/A with only a few minor mods, (exhaust) can hang with 5.0's, camaro's, firebirds and blow those pathetic Civic's and Probes right outa the water. Ya, it might be slow in comparrison to the FD or a higher end 20 grand plus car but for your dollar, your getting a very quick car that looks pretty damn sexy 2!
12-04-02, 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by Rex_Experience
Just a comment for the fool(s) who said that the N/A was incredibly slow. What the hell are you thinking, for a 5 grand car (canadian dollar) you're getting one of the fastest N/A rides I can think of. My N/A with only a few minor mods, (exhaust) can hang with 5.0's, camaro's, firebirds and blow those pathetic Civic's and Probes right outa the water. Ya, it might be slow in comparrison to the FD or a higher end 20 grand plus car but for your dollar, your getting a very quick car that looks pretty damn sexy 2!
Just a comment for the fool(s) who said that the N/A was incredibly slow. What the hell are you thinking, for a 5 grand car (canadian dollar) you're getting one of the fastest N/A rides I can think of. My N/A with only a few minor mods, (exhaust) can hang with 5.0's, camaro's, firebirds and blow those pathetic Civic's and Probes right outa the water. Ya, it might be slow in comparrison to the FD or a higher end 20 grand plus car but for your dollar, your getting a very quick car that looks pretty damn sexy 2!
Don't get me wrong here, I love the handling and styling of all FC's, but the straight line performance just isn't there in the NA cars. Like it or not, straight line acceleration is a big part of performance.
12-04-02, 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Rex_Experience
Just a comment for the fool(s) who said that the N/A was incredibly slow. What the hell are you thinking, for a 5 grand car (canadian dollar) you're getting one of the fastest N/A rides I can think of. My N/A with only a few minor mods, (exhaust) can hang with 5.0's, camaro's, firebirds and blow those pathetic Civic's and Probes right outa the water. Ya, it might be slow in comparrison to the FD or a higher end 20 grand plus car but for your dollar, your getting a very quick car that looks pretty damn sexy 2!
Just a comment for the fool(s) who said that the N/A was incredibly slow. What the hell are you thinking, for a 5 grand car (canadian dollar) you're getting one of the fastest N/A rides I can think of. My N/A with only a few minor mods, (exhaust) can hang with 5.0's, camaro's, firebirds and blow those pathetic Civic's and Probes right outa the water. Ya, it might be slow in comparrison to the FD or a higher end 20 grand plus car but for your dollar, your getting a very quick car that looks pretty damn sexy 2!
12-04-02, 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by RarestRX
Yo,
Nick, I bet you my car is faster than yours in a straight line!!
*wink*
Kevin
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Yo,
Nick, I bet you my car is faster than yours in a straight line!!
*wink*
Kevin
1989 GTUs "Bwahaha!"
*waving fist*
12-04-02, 12:54 PM
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Yo,
Nick, you know I'm just playing. So finish up your rebuild and get some better fuel maps!
For that sbertolone guy, yeah, you're right. I only say that because pressing down on the gas pedal and shifting is FAR more skill intensive than oh...autocrossing...or driving fast on a mountain road.
*cough* Yeah, you're right.
Kevin
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Nick, you know I'm just playing. So finish up your rebuild and get some better fuel maps!
For that sbertolone guy, yeah, you're right. I only say that because pressing down on the gas pedal and shifting is FAR more skill intensive than oh...autocrossing...or driving fast on a mountain road.
*cough* Yeah, you're right.
Kevin
1989 GTUs "Saw a 4Runner that would eat you at the strip...it must be better than your TII."
12-04-02, 12:57 PM
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man, this thread just turned into a "my **** is bigger than yours" contest. relative to a TII, an n/a is slower and harder to get power out of, but so what. that gives you extra money to spend on other mods. maybe someone doesn't want the lag of a turbo and would rather have the immediate power of a n/a. the point is, this battle over n/a and turbo goes all the way to the audi and panoz prototype cars. although audi often wins, the turbo is not the only reason.do what you want. on a track, both can be lethal given the right driver.
12-04-02, 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by RarestRX
Kevin
1989 GTUs "Saw a 4Runner that would eat you at the strip...it must be better than your TII."
Kevin
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but is it as reliable??
12-04-02, 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by RarestRX
Yo,
For that sbertolone guy, yeah, you're right. I only say that because pressing down on the gas pedal and shifting is FAR more skill intensive than oh...autocrossing...or driving fast on a mountain road.
*cough* Yeah, you're right.
Yo,
For that sbertolone guy, yeah, you're right. I only say that because pressing down on the gas pedal and shifting is FAR more skill intensive than oh...autocrossing...or driving fast on a mountain road.
*cough* Yeah, you're right.
12-04-02, 02:55 PM
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Yo,
Nick, it's a TRD supercharger so it must be reliable! *grin* That comment wasn't directed at you, but at Mr. 13.672.
The reason I said it is because of the myopic 1/4 mile vision that a lot of people have here.
I saw a TRD supercharged 4Runner pull a 12.8 1/4 mile time. If I use the "1/4 mile is king" world view, unless your TII can do better than 12.8, that 4Runner is "better" than your car. Does that make sense? It doesn't to me.
That's my point. So what if the 4Runner does a 12.8 pass? Can it handle the twisties? Can it brake, can it autocross?
That 4Runner will /never/ be "better" than any RX-7 in my mind, because it can't handle. I put more importance on a sportscar's handling, than it's straightline ability. Call me crazy!
Kevin
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Nick, it's a TRD supercharger so it must be reliable! *grin* That comment wasn't directed at you, but at Mr. 13.672.
The reason I said it is because of the myopic 1/4 mile vision that a lot of people have here.
I saw a TRD supercharged 4Runner pull a 12.8 1/4 mile time. If I use the "1/4 mile is king" world view, unless your TII can do better than 12.8, that 4Runner is "better" than your car. Does that make sense? It doesn't to me.
That's my point. So what if the 4Runner does a 12.8 pass? Can it handle the twisties? Can it brake, can it autocross?
That 4Runner will /never/ be "better" than any RX-7 in my mind, because it can't handle. I put more importance on a sportscar's handling, than it's straightline ability. Call me crazy!
Kevin
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12-04-02, 04:07 PM
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hmmm... this picture is somewhat fitting, and I didn't feel like starting a new thread, so...
http://www.ex-ssi.com/temp/TFATF_800.jpg
have fun! "Smoke 'em!"
http://www.ex-ssi.com/temp/TFATF_800.jpg
have fun! "Smoke 'em!"
12-04-02, 04:08 PM
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Yo,
It's not the turbo vs. NA thing, I never brought that up....oh wait...I kind of razzed Nick about his car not moving. But that's beside the point, we always tease each other.
I think it's the drag vs. handling war, which settles into the Turbo vs. NA war since (it seems) most turbo guys are into the quickness, while the NA guys are into the twisties.
It really boils down the assinine statement that NA RX-7's are "incredibly slow". Most people took offense to that. Including myself. *grin*
Kevin
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It's not the turbo vs. NA thing, I never brought that up....oh wait...I kind of razzed Nick about his car not moving. But that's beside the point, we always tease each other.
I think it's the drag vs. handling war, which settles into the Turbo vs. NA war since (it seems) most turbo guys are into the quickness, while the NA guys are into the twisties.
It really boils down the assinine statement that NA RX-7's are "incredibly slow". Most people took offense to that. Including myself. *grin*
Kevin
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12-04-02, 07:46 PM
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hahaha
the funny thing is.. the NA guys are saying that their car can handle..
the beauty of T2`s is that they do both.. fast and handle...
that to me makes it a sports car - rather than a sheep in wolf`s clothing..
the funny thing is.. the NA guys are saying that their car can handle..
the beauty of T2`s is that they do both.. fast and handle...
that to me makes it a sports car - rather than a sheep in wolf`s clothing..
12-04-02, 08:03 PM
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sorry to hear that, sbertolone. it will probably be a while until you see an autocross seeing as you're in michigan and it's that time of year. it's not so much the racing that's fun, but the people there are awesome; always willing to help and give tips.