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01-12-09, 04:04 PM
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Have you gone to RX-7 Specialties? They've been in Calgary forever and they know what they're doing. www.rotaryengines.com is their website 403.246.6980 Adam. Might be a little more expensive than your mechanic but at least they know their rotaries. If you want, I know another mechanic that works on my car and he also knows his rotaries pretty well. PM if you want his contact.
01-12-09, 05:28 PM
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Sounds like your "mechanic " is throwing parts at a problem he doesnt understand . Get this car to a rotary mechanic ASAP or Get it home and research the problem on your own. Get a factory service manual and stop the bleeding .
01-12-09, 06:55 PM
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Then sell it.
You, very clearly, have not researched what is involved in a 20b swap.
You cannot use the stock 20b transmission or ECU in your car, nor can you use your stock 13b ecu to run a 20b... You have NO CHOICE but to buy an aftermarket ecu to run the 20b. That fact that you do not know this and claim you have researched enough to know how to do a 20b swap and continue to carry on like this is absolutely staggering. The 20b ECU and electronically controlled automatic tranny are very integrated into the remaining electronics in the JC Cosmo. People have tried to use the 20b tranny in different cars with the 20b, 99.9% have all failed, then they ditched the 20b tranny and ecu and went standalone ecu with a manual transmission.
$2200 for an good condition drop-in used engine? Bullshit. If it is that cheap it is a blown engine that must be rebuilt. A 20b pulled from a running car will go for at least $3500USD. If it is a late Model D series engine $4-5k is not unheard of either.
No one in school should ever contemplate a 20b swap. Spending money modifying a car while in school is not a good idea, period. Stay in school.
You, very clearly, have not researched what is involved in a 20b swap.
You cannot use the stock 20b transmission or ECU in your car, nor can you use your stock 13b ecu to run a 20b... You have NO CHOICE but to buy an aftermarket ecu to run the 20b. That fact that you do not know this and claim you have researched enough to know how to do a 20b swap and continue to carry on like this is absolutely staggering. The 20b ECU and electronically controlled automatic tranny are very integrated into the remaining electronics in the JC Cosmo. People have tried to use the 20b tranny in different cars with the 20b, 99.9% have all failed, then they ditched the 20b tranny and ecu and went standalone ecu with a manual transmission.
$2200 for an good condition drop-in used engine? Bullshit. If it is that cheap it is a blown engine that must be rebuilt. A 20b pulled from a running car will go for at least $3500USD. If it is a late Model D series engine $4-5k is not unheard of either.
No one in school should ever contemplate a 20b swap. Spending money modifying a car while in school is not a good idea, period. Stay in school.
01-12-09, 07:22 PM
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Have you gone to RX-7 Specialties? They've been in Calgary forever and they know what they're doing. www.rotaryengines.com is their website 403.246.6980 Adam. Might be a little more expensive than your mechanic but at least they know their rotaries. If you want, I know another mechanic that works on my car and he also knows his rotaries pretty well. PM if you want his contact.
01-12-09, 07:28 PM
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very mechanicish, I'll bring it to another Rotary Engine as soon as I can.
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Then sell it.
You, very clearly, have not researched what is involved in a 20b swap.
You cannot use the stock 20b transmission or ECU in your car, nor can you use your stock 13b ecu to run a 20b... You have NO CHOICE but to buy an aftermarket ecu to run the 20b. That fact that you do not know this and claim you have researched enough to know how to do a 20b swap and continue to carry on like this is absolutely staggering. The 20b ECU and electronically controlled automatic tranny are very integrated into the remaining electronics in the JC Cosmo. People have tried to use the 20b tranny in different cars with the 20b, 99.9% have all failed, then they ditched the 20b tranny and ecu and went standalone ecu with a manual transmission.
$2200 for an good condition drop-in used engine? Bullshit. If it is that cheap it is a blown engine that must be rebuilt. A 20b pulled from a running car will go for at least $3500USD. If it is a late Model D series engine $4-5k is not unheard of either.
No one in school should ever contemplate a 20b swap. Spending money modifying a car while in school is not a good idea, period. Stay in school.
You, very clearly, have not researched what is involved in a 20b swap.
You cannot use the stock 20b transmission or ECU in your car, nor can you use your stock 13b ecu to run a 20b... You have NO CHOICE but to buy an aftermarket ecu to run the 20b. That fact that you do not know this and claim you have researched enough to know how to do a 20b swap and continue to carry on like this is absolutely staggering. The 20b ECU and electronically controlled automatic tranny are very integrated into the remaining electronics in the JC Cosmo. People have tried to use the 20b tranny in different cars with the 20b, 99.9% have all failed, then they ditched the 20b tranny and ecu and went standalone ecu with a manual transmission.
$2200 for an good condition drop-in used engine? Bullshit. If it is that cheap it is a blown engine that must be rebuilt. A 20b pulled from a running car will go for at least $3500USD. If it is a late Model D series engine $4-5k is not unheard of either.
No one in school should ever contemplate a 20b swap. Spending money modifying a car while in school is not a good idea, period. Stay in school.
-A TUBRO2 tranny will work for the swap.
-**** I'VE SAID THAT I'M PUTTING IN A STOCK COSMO JCESE ECU. 3 TIMES I'VE SAID THIS!!!
-About the engine... AGAIN... I said I have my own sources that deals directly from Japan.
-And besides if I do sell my not so working FC right now, with the odometer reading 301***KM on it, would you buy it? and I'll be done school pretty son anyways.
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01-12-09, 08:29 PM
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Again... do people not read these days? I swear...
-A TUBRO2 tranny will work for the swap.
-**** I'VE SAID THAT I'M PUTTING IN A STOCK COSMO JCESE ECU. 3 TIMES I'VE SAID THIS!!!
-About the engine... AGAIN... I said I have my own sources that deals directly from Japan.
-And besides if I do sell my not so working FC right now, with the odometer reading 301***KM on it, would you buy it? and I'll be done school pretty son anyways.
-A TUBRO2 tranny will work for the swap.
-**** I'VE SAID THAT I'M PUTTING IN A STOCK COSMO JCESE ECU. 3 TIMES I'VE SAID THIS!!!
-About the engine... AGAIN... I said I have my own sources that deals directly from Japan.
-And besides if I do sell my not so working FC right now, with the odometer reading 301***KM on it, would you buy it? and I'll be done school pretty son anyways.
you're on the right track though, plan for the swap in a couple years once you've finished school.
01-12-09, 08:36 PM
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Engine rebuild $5000
Motor mounts $250
Turbo II drivetrain swap $600
ECU $1500
Turbo $2300
Turbo manifold $3000
Wastegate $600
Downpipe and exhaust $1000
Fuel System(fuel pumps, stainless lines, AN fittings, fuel rails and injectors) $2000
Parts not listed $4000
Good luck.
Motor mounts $250
Turbo II drivetrain swap $600
ECU $1500
Turbo $2300
Turbo manifold $3000
Wastegate $600
Downpipe and exhaust $1000
Fuel System(fuel pumps, stainless lines, AN fittings, fuel rails and injectors) $2000
Parts not listed $4000
Good luck.
I love the fact that he said $449 for the ECU!!! LMAO!!!
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO!! LISTEN TO THEM, THESE ARE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE TALKING!!!
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01-12-09, 09:30 PM
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swear to god this is the best laugh I have had in a while.
try reading around in this forum: 20B Forum
Read a few threads about the trials and tribulations of going 3 rotor.
Yes a 20B can be fit into an FC, but only in your dreams will you complete the swap in the manner your thinking.
try reading around in this forum: 20B Forum
Read a few threads about the trials and tribulations of going 3 rotor.
Yes a 20B can be fit into an FC, but only in your dreams will you complete the swap in the manner your thinking.
01-12-09, 09:46 PM
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first you say with 60k you could have 5 26b's. How many have you seen or even touched in real life? probably none. for 60k dollars, you will probably have a 26b, but no ecu, and no transmission or mounts or driveshaft or rear end or fuel pumps to support it. plus youll have to hack away at the car in order to even get it to fit.
100k is what a 26b normally goes for. good luck.
to be as kind as possible, the jspec ecu will not work at all. period. the reasoning behind this is because you cant simply take the harness, and put it in your car, and have it run. wont work. also, yes it will bolt to the transmission, but then have to figure out how to mount the 20b with the transmission. wont work.
seccond, you need a big fuel pump. the reaoning behind this is that you have another set of monsterous injectors to work with. Youll need to run fuel lines that probably arent cheap. Then you have to think about turbo. the stock turbo will not fit. it will also be blown to smitherenes as well as the engine probably. both of which youll eitehr have to rebuild, or ditch the turbo entirely. the engine from a jspec suppliar is not going to be in good condition. you have just purchased an engine that could be up to 15 years old, and you dont know what kind of condition its in. Then the ecu will need to be replaced for a stand alone ems. those arent cheap and will run you about 2k. then the installation of the ems and then the initial tuning will cost money, then the basemap will need to be tuned as well.
most likely you will need a turbo rear end. more money.
01-12-09, 11:46 PM
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wow dude... just wow... you need to take a step back and actually take a look at who your talken to. you told a member who's been here for 3 years to go play with some hotwheels, and you've been here for only 3 months. im not tryen to talk down to you since i just joined as well, but try to comprehend what their sayen. even i know that a 20B swap is atleast 25k realistically. all the wiring, fabrication, and rebuilding. but if you really want to try on your own, then go for it, but alot of guys here know what their talken about, so watch out who you start getten smart with.
01-13-09, 12:03 AM
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ok, i've been weeding through this thread. lets continue to play nice, keep it civil, and refrain from bashing other members. it started off great and then turned sour in the third page. constructive criticism is ok, just no personal attacks.
01-13-09, 12:22 AM
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sigh.
first you say with 60k you could have 5 26b's. How many have you seen or even touched in real life? probably none. for 60k dollars, you will probably have a 26b, but no ecu, and no transmission or mounts or driveshaft or rear end or fuel pumps to support it. plus youll have to hack away at the car in order to even get it to fit.
100k is what a 26b normally goes for. good luck.
to be as kind as possible, the jspec ecu will not work at all. period. the reasoning behind this is because you cant simply take the harness, and put it in your car, and have it run. wont work. also, yes it will bolt to the transmission, but then have to figure out how to mount the 20b with the transmission. wont work.
seccond, you need a big fuel pump. the reaoning behind this is that you have another set of monsterous injectors to work with. Youll need to run fuel lines that probably arent cheap. Then you have to think about turbo. the stock turbo will not fit. it will also be blown to smitherenes as well as the engine probably. both of which youll eitehr have to rebuild, or ditch the turbo entirely. the engine from a jspec suppliar is not going to be in good condition. you have just purchased an engine that could be up to 15 years old, and you dont know what kind of condition its in. Then the ecu will need to be replaced for a stand alone ems. those arent cheap and will run you about 2k. then the installation of the ems and then the initial tuning will cost money, then the basemap will need to be tuned as well.
most likely you will need a turbo rear end. more money.
first you say with 60k you could have 5 26b's. How many have you seen or even touched in real life? probably none. for 60k dollars, you will probably have a 26b, but no ecu, and no transmission or mounts or driveshaft or rear end or fuel pumps to support it. plus youll have to hack away at the car in order to even get it to fit.
100k is what a 26b normally goes for. good luck.
to be as kind as possible, the jspec ecu will not work at all. period. the reasoning behind this is because you cant simply take the harness, and put it in your car, and have it run. wont work. also, yes it will bolt to the transmission, but then have to figure out how to mount the 20b with the transmission. wont work.
seccond, you need a big fuel pump. the reaoning behind this is that you have another set of monsterous injectors to work with. Youll need to run fuel lines that probably arent cheap. Then you have to think about turbo. the stock turbo will not fit. it will also be blown to smitherenes as well as the engine probably. both of which youll eitehr have to rebuild, or ditch the turbo entirely. the engine from a jspec suppliar is not going to be in good condition. you have just purchased an engine that could be up to 15 years old, and you dont know what kind of condition its in. Then the ecu will need to be replaced for a stand alone ems. those arent cheap and will run you about 2k. then the installation of the ems and then the initial tuning will cost money, then the basemap will need to be tuned as well.
most likely you will need a turbo rear end. more money.
I can't stress enough when people do not read, go to the first page and read it all before posting.
If I had $60'000, I would prove to have 5 26B's but I don't have the money. Even though if I did have a 26B engine, I wouldn't waste it by putting it in an FC nor would I have anything to do with it. I got other plans for a 26B alone with looking for parts to support it, you really think I'm gonna half *** this project. Have I seen or touched a 26B, no. Have I seen or touched a 20B, yes... guy at my bank owns a Cosmo.
I'll tell each parts needed to build the engine only but not the source of where I get my information.
Overseas Racing Company that makes YR26B kits
4 Rotor Eccentric Shaft
Front counter weight
Rear counter weight
2 x Center plates
2 x Stationary gears (modified)
2 x Stationary gear carriers
2 x Stationary gear external oiling mods
Rear main nut
2 x eccentric shaft end caps
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Total cost: not saying
Mazdatrix
4 x Peripheral Port Housings $4192
2 x (2) Light Weight Rotors $4730
1 x Rear Side Housing $398
3 x Side Housings $1420
1 x Front Rotor Housing $410
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Total cost: about $11'200 am I not right?
The parts listed for the engine only WITH PORTED HOUSINGS + LIGHT WEIGHT ROTORS.
Mazdatrix
4 x Rotor Housings $2420
4 x Rotors $2630
1 x Rear Side Housing $398
3 x Side Housings $1420
1 x Front Rotor Housing $410
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Total cost: about $7450 are you following?
Costs of additional mods such as fabrications for all the manifolds and piping will vary.
Now ask yourself if the kit will cost you $50'000 to $90'000???
As long as the fuel pump is flowing 260LPH + 550cc injectors, essential enough unless you want to go with 700cc+ injectors.
I mentioned before, I'm not going with the dual turbo setup is because of the clearance issues. Single turbo with custom manifold is recommended.
Used after market wire harness + ECU + coil pack for the 20B will run about $1300 all together. Some custom work is obvious. Worse comes to worse, I'll go with a stand alone ECU.
Buying an engine that old from another country without having a physical examination is already part of the risk, ask yourself if you want to rebuild the engine first before the installation. Do the complete swap first, that way you know everything is working then go for the rebuild. You do it the other way, then you find out that nothing is working. More time wasted this way.
I'm not doing this swap myself, I'm getting professionals to do all the work. I've read tons of failed attempts at this. I've spent 6 years researching. Why 6 years, think about Canada's 15 year old vehicle admissibility to cross borders.
01-13-09, 12:48 AM
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20b, 26b, 39b.........is your 13b running yet?
Please focus on that.
What are the current issues with your car again? I know the answer....just trying to bring back the appropriate focus.
John ny
Please focus on that.
What are the current issues with your car again? I know the answer....just trying to bring back the appropriate focus.
John ny