FC FMIC Conversion - How difficult?
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Originally Posted by Bukwild
3inch intercooling pipe should improve flow over a standard greddy intercooler kit that I have that is 2.5
Once i get my car on the dyno I am going to try a few different intercooler pipe size combos if I have enuff spool room. And don't get bent out of shape about lag problems until you have them. Lag is nothing but a down shift away.
Once i get my car on the dyno I am going to try a few different intercooler pipe size combos if I have enuff spool room. And don't get bent out of shape about lag problems until you have them. Lag is nothing but a down shift away.
Unless you're shooting for 500 or more, 3" IC piping is overkill.
2.5" will easily support 400hp.
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Originally Posted by RETed
That's really bad advice.
Unless you're shooting for 500 or more, 3" IC piping is overkill.
2.5" will easily support 400hp.
-Ted
Unless you're shooting for 500 or more, 3" IC piping is overkill.
2.5" will easily support 400hp.
-Ted
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Originally Posted by RETed
That's really bad advice.
Unless you're shooting for 500 or more, 3" IC piping is overkill.
2.5" will easily support 400hp.
-Ted
Unless you're shooting for 500 or more, 3" IC piping is overkill.
2.5" will easily support 400hp.
-Ted
who doesn't want more power at the same boost level?
like I have said in the past. I plan to have documented numbers on turbo size, fuel injector combo, boost level compaired with a full 3inch down pipe & exhaust and a full 4inch dp and exhaust.
I might aswell try the documented improvement of 2.5 vs 3 inch intercooler piping. My turbo has a 4 inch cover that gets reduced to my 2.5 intercooler pipe. You can't tell me that it does not cause a flow restriction and there are available ponies there to be freed up.
It never hurts to try something that is against the "norm" here on the forum on your recipe for building a monster.
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First of as Ted said 3in is not even in the scope of being needed to around 500ish WHP and has been documented that 2.5 will suport 550whp. Keeping your pipe size throughout is not a restriction of HP issue as you have tryd to state bigdongsr94 . Most high HP veihicals and tuners run 2.5 to start and upgrade to 3 on cold side. You can go up to increase flow only stagering will hurt you. Meany meany 500 to 700whp cars on this forum run 2.5 to 3 and 3 to 4in around 90% of them run a 3in DP and the other run 3.5 to 4in dp. It has been proven meany times on here that a 3in DP will suport 650whp with no issues.
No 13b pushing 400whp and under needs anything over a 3in DP with 2.5in IC pipe
No 13b pushing 400whp and under needs anything over a 3in DP with 2.5in IC pipe
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Originally Posted by Bukwild
who doesn't want more power at the same boost level?
As a rule, if you're not sure about IC pipe size, you always go smaller.
Intake velocity is more important than having bigger pipe size.
-Ted
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Originally Posted by RETed
Intake velocity is more important than having bigger pipe size.
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Originally Posted by NZConvertible
Pressure drop increases to the square of velocity, so you do not want higher velocity! I aggree 2.5" piping is more sufficient for most, but not for this reason. There are no benefits to high velocity in intercooler pipes.
You're right, it's pressure drop.
Isn't pressure drop and intake velocity sorta / kinda related?
-Ted
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Originally Posted by RETed
Isn't pressure drop and intake velocity sorta / kinda related?
-Ted
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I'd like to see some more pics personally. I'll be going w/ a FMIC on my RE swap in my vert, but I've been struggling w/ the exact layout I want. I'll have the battery relocated, but I'm keeping my AC and dumping the PS. I also have a Griffin rad that is a little more vertical than the stock rad...
If anyone has a similar setup (kept the AC), I'd enjoy detailed pipe routing pics...
Thanks!
If anyone has a similar setup (kept the AC), I'd enjoy detailed pipe routing pics...
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Trav
I'd like to see some more pics personally. I'll be going w/ a FMIC on my RE swap in my vert, but I've been struggling w/ the exact layout I want. I'll have the battery relocated, but I'm keeping my AC and dumping the PS. I also have a Griffin rad that is a little more vertical than the stock rad...
If anyone has a similar setup (kept the AC), I'd enjoy detailed pipe routing pics...
Thanks!
If anyone has a similar setup (kept the AC), I'd enjoy detailed pipe routing pics...
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by RETed
Well, we're talking about the same thing, but I used the wrong term. :P
You're right, it's pressure drop.
Isn't pressure drop and intake velocity sorta / kinda related?
You're right, it's pressure drop.
Isn't pressure drop and intake velocity sorta / kinda related?
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You can name a few 2nd gen motors that have layed down 650rwhp. Drop them then becuase I have never heard of a 13bt putting out that type of power. Most I have ever seen documented is 550ish. Others have used rew's and re's but I have yet to see a 13bt in that range.
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Originally Posted by Bukwild
You can name a few 2nd gen motors that have layed down 650rwhp. Drop them then becuase I have never heard of a 13bt putting out that type of power. Most I have ever seen documented is 550ish. Others have used rew's and re's but I have yet to see a 13bt in that range.
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Originally Posted by gerbraldy
thats not 650rwhp now is it
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
I forgot to add to that thread.... 500hp out of a 12a turbo only is pretty fukin crazy... BTW this was back in 00 or 01. Anyways, crispeed tuned a few 650 WHP cars... You can ask him... The one that I seen personally is Drag internationals 650 whp fc... plus nitrous which he dynoed without... And also there was an Aussie that posted here with his blue fc... that **** had 600+.
yes I remember the blue one and if i recall it had a re motor. And until we can get some verified dyno sheets I am going with 550 that 3 members of this forum put down all with Precision turbos. 2 were pt67's and 1 was a pt74 all using 13bt's as the most ever documented.
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Originally Posted by Bukwild
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no... Not the most documented are you crazy????? I did close to 500 with stock ports and conservative conservative tune.....
550 is the most that wargasm has documented with actual dyno sheets for a 13bt.
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I know boosted7 has talked about a few and one of the mods in single turbo section. SonicRat was pushing around 480on stock ports his new setup should be good for atleast 600whp.
And how do you come up with this magical notion that a RE is so much betor ? Whoopy some larger intake runners!
And how do you come up with this magical notion that a RE is so much betor ? Whoopy some larger intake runners!
#50
a RE will lay down more power than a 13bt with the same mods.
and so far as per wargasm kabooski and carl byck have documented the most out of a 13bt at 550. Not trying to get into a pissing contest just stating a fact that these guys have hit the most so far. Everyone has a cousin, friend, brother in law that has always done more but these never seem to materialize into anything.
and so far as per wargasm kabooski and carl byck have documented the most out of a 13bt at 550. Not trying to get into a pissing contest just stating a fact that these guys have hit the most so far. Everyone has a cousin, friend, brother in law that has always done more but these never seem to materialize into anything.