well i met the crew chief and what a nice guy told me lots about abel's motor and how it was set up and everything. its a 20b on a normal streetport running 20 pounds of boost with nitrous(havent used yet because of traction problems) running around 1300bhp easily but of course most of u already probably knew that. well abel's old r100 runs 50pounds of boost on a 13b i forget what kind of porting. the crew chief also had a truck which ran 8.75 easily all motor in his driveway of course in a trailer. He was building my friends 69 camaro rs there estimating 9 second runs with it:S. Also he says he'll talk to abel about bringing the rx to my school which would be sweet ***. He also seemed very intrested in my car(maybe he'll help me build it) anyway thats all i gotta say for now my girlfriends gonna kick my *** when she figures out i ditched her to see a car guy haha

 

Only 20psi? Wow I would have thought they would be running ALOT more then that.

 

Yeah, 20PSi on a 20B = 1300HP?!?!?

I don't know about that......

 

maybe it was dynoed using the nawz?

 

Maybe, but based on the most bech numbers out there for 20B's, he would be spraying somewhere in between 300-500!!!

 

Marcos tuned a customers street car to 1025 rwhp @ 25psi on a streetported 20B using a T80 turbocharger.
1300 rwhp @ 20 psi (streetported) sounds kind of far fetched.. but who knows, this is one of the top drag racers in the world. I think that power must have been made with the nitrous spraying, and even then seems pretty high, b/c a streetported 20b with the correct turbo usually would make about 700-850 rhwp at that boost level, meaning a 525 shot of nitrous like KNONFS stated! It just seems far fetched.
Guys like Dennis Marquis make that kind of power on peripheral ported 20b's running even more boost than that.

I know he's either streetported or bridgeported though, because the car retains the factory intake manifold if I'm not mistaken from the pictures I have. The power numbers would make more sence on a bridgeported motor, and even then would be VERY impressive!
If he IS turning out that much power with the streetport, just imagine how much more he can make by P-porting that engine and doing some serious mods to it!!!

I believe the R100 was peripheral ported btw, but I could be wrong. That is one of the all time crowd favourites still competing in import drag racing these days! So cool!

 

Here is a picture of Abel's engine bay. Sorry about the page crease (sp?) it was over the fold in a magazine.
Notice the stock intake manifold!?!? Almost unheard of in pro-class drag racing!!

 

Abel is good, but he doesn't have any secrets or know stufff that Siguel or Marcos doesn't.

IMHO

 

perhaps he has a great crew chief who is all knowing lol well he said its running 1300 hp with 20 psi streetported. if they ran any higher he would have more traction problems than he already does. they cant use nitrous because of traction problems. i mean how do u know he just doesnt have one badass 20b with a larger than normal streetport. also said the 20b powers the turbo easily and spools up like nothing beucase of the heat the 20b motor generates. so perhaps u guys forget a big *** turbo. but i think the crew chiefs truck is sorta just has impressive has abel's car its all motor runs 8.6 and has been using that motor for years now at drag strips but he doesnt race nearly has much has abel because he gots a better job.(works at honda:S) i seen abels rear rims those things are huge and a old clutch that was 6 grand for !!!!

 

LOL, Abel is a kid compare to other racers out there, is all about the $$$. The guy lied to you, in fact I'll be worry if I was you. Him being interested in you what you have under the hood......

You engine might be Abels's next.......

Just be carefull!!

 

heh this guy isnt a kid well the crew chief i believe him to be really good epecally since he helps out alot of other draggers in there set up's btw abel wouldnt want my engine 183k on it and its not a 20b abel gets 20b's like nothing so why would he want a second gen non turbo 13b about to blow up lol

 

and what makes it so hard to believe that abel runs those numbers what if i build a motor exactly like his and get the same numbers would u call me a lier or perhaps u gotta see me do everything to believe me. seriously i dont think this guy would lie he doesnt look like that kind of dude to lie to someone with alot less knowledge then him

 

Do you think that the other guys just run small streetports and small turbos because they don't want to be fast or something?
And so what if his turbocharger spools up faster? That won't make him any more power.

 

Do you have any idea at all how much Abel pays for each 20B he gets? I do.
Sure he might be able to get them easy, but when they are costing as much as they are, I'm sure he's concerned enough to make sure the one he is using has no errors to create an unecessary chance of blowing it up.

 

We have reasons to suspect that what he told you is inaccurate. What reason do you have to believe that it's true? Because he doesn't seem like he would lie to you?

 

Looks like he upgraded to a custom intake manifold. I wonder if he just had the stock one on there for the first few months while he was still getting the engine all tuned up right. I found this pic in another thread posted about 3 months ago.

 

Why do I believe he is lying to you?

Easy, Abel DOES not hold the record for the fastest 3 rotor drag car, nor the mileage record. The person who holds both records on a 20B engine, claims a 800-850HP without NOS!!! Furthermore, every other 20B tuner claims similar numbers to the person who holds the fastetest 1/4 mile in a 20B.

There are a LOT of people tunning rotary engine way before Abel......

Your engine my be due for a rebuild, but racers WILL allways find something to use out of a tired engine, specially if the engine will be blown after a couple of passes.

Since you are talking about believing, sky is the limit. Go ahead and build a 170HP @ the wheels NA FC

 

Damn wish my N/A would hit 170rwp. Its 160rwp right now but someday I will hit 170rwp lol. You guys are dorks for seriously thinking that this guy wants to salvage parts off his rotory.

The bigger the turbo the more power you will make at the same PSI as a smaller turbo. Custom T80 with who knows what else done to it will make 1300 on a 20b im sure. Mabey its a little higher psi than 25 but still impressive.

 

So you think racers buy brand new parts from Mazda everytime they brake?!?!? You haven't been on the streets that much do you?

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...highlight=abel

A perfect example "Eddie Bello"

It could be possible to achieve 1300HP out of a 20B at high boost...........BUT it hasn't been done!!! Siguel says in the range of 1200hp with NOS, and and he holds the record. Care to explain why Abel record isnt equal or better than Siguel's 7.13 @ 189.07 ?

Besides the point that other racers agree with those HP numbers!!

 

??? can someone explain to me why i see it go directly from turbo to the intake manafold? is there some sort of massive waterinjection going on? or am i missing the intercooler or is there something else goig on i just missed or do not

 

No intercooler needed when you run alcohol/methonal.

 

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