EVERYONE!!!! This is a sweet way to get boost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#126
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QC Motorsports
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From: Austin, tx
What can't work? 200 posts? Or the super charger thing? We can definately get 200 posts if we try. Even though the supercharger thing wont work I still have to try. Its something I have to do. I just need an N/A to do it on.
Charles
Charles
#129
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From: Omaha,Nebraska,USA
ok, now I have read it all... I just want to say :
leave the dude alone.. he didn't ask how you feel about him.. he just tossed his idea out, you gave your feedback (quite rudely) and you are just being plain mean..
the way I look at it, if you already have the airpump sitting there doing nothing, wouldn't hurt anything to put a hose on it and aim it towards your inatke.. I wouldn't put it into the intake, and I wouldn't expect any difference,, but it doesn't hurt anything..
So if someone comes on the forum asking about placing a turbo on their N/A are you all going to just jump down their throat and tell em that it would be cheaper to buy the TII then call them a moron for even thinking the idea?
Be nice is my point
leave the dude alone.. he didn't ask how you feel about him.. he just tossed his idea out, you gave your feedback (quite rudely) and you are just being plain mean..
the way I look at it, if you already have the airpump sitting there doing nothing, wouldn't hurt anything to put a hose on it and aim it towards your inatke.. I wouldn't put it into the intake, and I wouldn't expect any difference,, but it doesn't hurt anything..
So if someone comes on the forum asking about placing a turbo on their N/A are you all going to just jump down their throat and tell em that it would be cheaper to buy the TII then call them a moron for even thinking the idea?
Be nice is my point
#130
Originally posted by TwinCam13BT
First let me say that you are worser than being the gay son of a pimp.
First let me say that you are worser than being the gay son of a pimp.
For those on here that didnt notice, the object in question here is the word "worser".
there are some people in the world that should NEVER call others stupid......
#131
Originally posted by Green
ok, now I have read it all... I just want to say :
leave the dude alone.. he didn't ask how you feel about him.. he just tossed his idea out, you gave your feedback (quite rudely) and you are just being plain mean..
the way I look at it, if you already have the airpump sitting there doing nothing, wouldn't hurt anything to put a hose on it and aim it towards your inatke.. I wouldn't put it into the intake, and I wouldn't expect any difference,, but it doesn't hurt anything..
So if someone comes on the forum asking about placing a turbo on their N/A are you all going to just jump down their throat and tell em that it would be cheaper to buy the TII then call them a moron for even thinking the idea?
Be nice is my point
ok, now I have read it all... I just want to say :
leave the dude alone.. he didn't ask how you feel about him.. he just tossed his idea out, you gave your feedback (quite rudely) and you are just being plain mean..
the way I look at it, if you already have the airpump sitting there doing nothing, wouldn't hurt anything to put a hose on it and aim it towards your inatke.. I wouldn't put it into the intake, and I wouldn't expect any difference,, but it doesn't hurt anything..
So if someone comes on the forum asking about placing a turbo on their N/A are you all going to just jump down their throat and tell em that it would be cheaper to buy the TII then call them a moron for even thinking the idea?
Be nice is my point
#134
Originally posted by dre_2ooo
Tuboing
an NA is acheivable with enogh money, but this is simply rediculous.
Tuboing
an NA is acheivable with enogh money, but this is simply rediculous.
or
I played my Tubo?
or
I bathe in my Tubo?
or
I eat Tubo-Fish?
or
COME ON GUYS, HELP ME OUT!
PS:
I still have some NOS Tubo-lets for sale.
#135
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Joined: Mar 2001
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From: Ft. Worth, Texas, USA, Earth, Solar System...
Originally posted by TwinCam13BT
First let me say that you are worser than being the gay son of a pimp.
The power you *gain* from doing your *mod* will not be greater than the power you lose from running the damn air pump.
First let me say that you are worser than being the gay son of a pimp.
The power you *gain* from doing your *mod* will not be greater than the power you lose from running the damn air pump.
Brad
#140
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QC Motorsports
Joined: Jan 2002
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From: Austin, tx
HAILERS!!!! Thats wasn't the real reason I posted it but it has turned out that way. I would now love it to go over 200. And Felix, That would work, well sort of. If you take the engine apart and wet some sand it acts like a spong, and will clean just about anything. Just don't think you can do it like the ATF trick. Hehe. Yep Yep. The betterest of the betters.
Charles
Charles
#144
people, adding more posts means more data in the sql database, which means less available resources on the server, which in the end means slower load times. Be considerite guys, stop wasting space by being "post ******"
#145
Ok, i just felt like posting to actualy explain why it wouldnt work (or at least in the way we would hope)... because be honest we all have thought of something like this at some time, be it the air pump, or a leaf blower, or seeing those "electric supercharger" kits on ebay. And then you sit down and you realize why it wont work.
In order to pressurize the intake you have to some how create a check valve (one way air valve) that only alows air to enter the intake, and at the same time force air in at a greater flow rate than then engine requires.
When you look at turbo chargers and superchargers, both of these devices are not fans, they are compressors... (turbos are centrifugal compressors, as are some superchargers, while others are roots type as well as other techniques), and they work in such a way that while they dont nessasarily move all that much air thru them they do so in a way that forces that air to stay where they put it.
The problem with simply routing a high pressure line to the intake would be this, since there is no reason for the air to stay in the intake (rather than just blow backwards out of the airfilter) at most you would be able to get zero intake vacume, which may or may not help things out a little bit (it will basicaly remove the restriction of the air filter)
** Upon thinking about this more, you may be able to get like 1 or 2 psi (maybe more) depending on the sheer amount of air that you are pouring in there, and if it is under any pressure, since there will be restriction supplied by the air filter, if you can actualy pour in more air than the engine needs you will get a small degree of postive boost... on the other hand if you have a blower that is actualy that strong it is probably would be better suited inline (and in that case would be a supercharger (but of course only a real supercharger really could do that efficiently on a car, the airpump we all have for emissions wouldnt come close to this))
So all and all dumping more air (which has to be filtered somewhere) into the intake at pressure will probably have some advantage, in that the engine has to not work as hard to suck the air in...
The problem is that systems like the 6th port acuation and the vdi may rely on the fact that there is a vacume and may not work as effectively when being helped out like that.... (but i dont really know enough about those two systems to really say)
All and all it may be good for a few hp, if you have a air pump that can move a significant volume of air (which im not sure the air pump really can)
give it a shot, cuz there are air lines going into the flex tube between the air box and the throttle body, so it shouldnt be hard to do.
and then hook up a pressure gauge (one that can measure both vacume and boost) somewhere after the throttle, on one of the intake manifold nipples, and fire it up, and see if at any rpms the amount of vacume starts going down and aproaching zero, if so then you probably have made a little bit of power...
And remember, all this will really do is free up the intake (the effect of basicaly running without a air filter, but without the downside of sucking small flying things and dust into your engine), since you wont ever really be able to get into positive boost (above atmospheric pressure) you wont be able to increase the density of the air which is what a turbo charger does (more dense air means you can burn more fuel which means more power) (in fact it may decrease since the air blown in by the air pump is probably hotter than the intake air)
I've probably left a few things out, but all and all if you are bored and you want to buy the few tubes and the pressure gauge id say it could be a fun little experiment.
And to everybody who flamed this kid, just try to be reasonable, help him out instead of calling him stupid. And im sure ive made some mistakes in what i just wrote, and i know my spelling sucks, but i hope this helps someone.
In order to pressurize the intake you have to some how create a check valve (one way air valve) that only alows air to enter the intake, and at the same time force air in at a greater flow rate than then engine requires.
When you look at turbo chargers and superchargers, both of these devices are not fans, they are compressors... (turbos are centrifugal compressors, as are some superchargers, while others are roots type as well as other techniques), and they work in such a way that while they dont nessasarily move all that much air thru them they do so in a way that forces that air to stay where they put it.
The problem with simply routing a high pressure line to the intake would be this, since there is no reason for the air to stay in the intake (rather than just blow backwards out of the airfilter) at most you would be able to get zero intake vacume, which may or may not help things out a little bit (it will basicaly remove the restriction of the air filter)
** Upon thinking about this more, you may be able to get like 1 or 2 psi (maybe more) depending on the sheer amount of air that you are pouring in there, and if it is under any pressure, since there will be restriction supplied by the air filter, if you can actualy pour in more air than the engine needs you will get a small degree of postive boost... on the other hand if you have a blower that is actualy that strong it is probably would be better suited inline (and in that case would be a supercharger (but of course only a real supercharger really could do that efficiently on a car, the airpump we all have for emissions wouldnt come close to this))
So all and all dumping more air (which has to be filtered somewhere) into the intake at pressure will probably have some advantage, in that the engine has to not work as hard to suck the air in...
The problem is that systems like the 6th port acuation and the vdi may rely on the fact that there is a vacume and may not work as effectively when being helped out like that.... (but i dont really know enough about those two systems to really say)
All and all it may be good for a few hp, if you have a air pump that can move a significant volume of air (which im not sure the air pump really can)
give it a shot, cuz there are air lines going into the flex tube between the air box and the throttle body, so it shouldnt be hard to do.
and then hook up a pressure gauge (one that can measure both vacume and boost) somewhere after the throttle, on one of the intake manifold nipples, and fire it up, and see if at any rpms the amount of vacume starts going down and aproaching zero, if so then you probably have made a little bit of power...
And remember, all this will really do is free up the intake (the effect of basicaly running without a air filter, but without the downside of sucking small flying things and dust into your engine), since you wont ever really be able to get into positive boost (above atmospheric pressure) you wont be able to increase the density of the air which is what a turbo charger does (more dense air means you can burn more fuel which means more power) (in fact it may decrease since the air blown in by the air pump is probably hotter than the intake air)
I've probably left a few things out, but all and all if you are bored and you want to buy the few tubes and the pressure gauge id say it could be a fun little experiment.
And to everybody who flamed this kid, just try to be reasonable, help him out instead of calling him stupid. And im sure ive made some mistakes in what i just wrote, and i know my spelling sucks, but i hope this helps someone.
Last edited by vectorminds; 05-29-03 at 01:39 AM.
#150
Haha, oh wow, i didnt even realize this was an old thread... don't I feel like an *** now... thats what i get for searching for something, seeing an interesting thread, reading all the way thru, and then thinking its current