Engine management(haltech/piggy/?)
08-13-02, 04:42 PM
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Engine management(haltech/piggy/?)
I might have some extra money coming and wanted to get everyones opinions. I could get an s-afc & ebc or I could go with a full ems(haltech?). I know most people will prolly say go with the EMS but is it really worth it? I mean I do plan to get a bigger turbo down the road but that will prolly be another year. Also, how much of a pain is having someone tune it? My goals for the next 6 months or so are to get in the low 13s to high 12s if possible and if not as close as possible. I'd like to be able to run 2 different boost levels(as low as possible and high as efficient and safe) with 2 corresponding fuel maps and do this whenever I feel like. Please give me some feedback here. Thanks.
08-13-02, 04:47 PM
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go ahead and go with the stand alone. it may be pain to tune but your car will run better and you dont have to trust the life of your engine to how well you can solder. plus you will make more power on the stand alone too, always.
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Well I most definitely won't have a infinite amount of money. I am worried I might not have money to have it tuned properly. I would also have to buy a laptop. Thing is I don't like to do things half-asses, and making me have to do them twice. An EBC and S-AFC do seem alot more user friendly though. I don't know though...
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You said you plan on upgrading your turbo later...a haltech will handle that better than multiple piggy-back systems. yes, the initial cost is much more but you'll have a system that can handle almost anything you throw at it in the future. set a goal for what you want your car to do and then buy the minimum upgrades necessary to reach that goal safely.
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08-13-02, 11:28 PM
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Definatley go stand alone, Half the fun is learning how to tune it!!! I have a ApexI power fc and I love it. I can change anything I want whenever I want and dont have to go to a shop and pay for their tuning. I tune it my way.
Haltech might be an easier option for you or something besides the Power FC but I have heard that Apex is releasing a production Power FC for the FC3S so maybe soon you can get it in the states.
By far standalone is the way to go, build the foundation first so you can build anyway you need to.
Haltech might be an easier option for you or something besides the Power FC but I have heard that Apex is releasing a production Power FC for the FC3S so maybe soon you can get it in the states.
By far standalone is the way to go, build the foundation first so you can build anyway you need to.
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Originally posted by Ranzo
Definatley go stand alone, Half the fun is learning how to tune it!!! I have a ApexI power fc and I love it. I can change anything I want whenever I want and dont have to go to a shop and pay for their tuning. I tune it my way.
Haltech might be an easier option for you or something besides the Power FC but I have heard that Apex is releasing a production Power FC for the FC3S so maybe soon you can get it in the states.
By far standalone is the way to go, build the foundation first so you can build anyway you need to.
Definatley go stand alone, Half the fun is learning how to tune it!!! I have a ApexI power fc and I love it. I can change anything I want whenever I want and dont have to go to a shop and pay for their tuning. I tune it my way.
Haltech might be an easier option for you or something besides the Power FC but I have heard that Apex is releasing a production Power FC for the FC3S so maybe soon you can get it in the states.
By far standalone is the way to go, build the foundation first so you can build anyway you need to.
08-13-02, 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
So do you have an FD or do they have a PFC for FCs over there?
So do you have an FD or do they have a PFC for FCs over there?
They have them for FC's in J-world AFAIK....But Im not 100% on that.
08-14-02, 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by adamlewis
They have them for FC's in J-world AFAIK....But Im not 100% on that.
They have them for FC's in J-world AFAIK....But Im not 100% on that.
08-14-02, 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
Why wouldn't they work for our cars then? Or just different language?
Why wouldn't they work for our cars then? Or just different language?
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
I think they are only for the S5 FC's.
I think they are only for the S5 FC's.
Dunno about that ( Though youre probably right ) but Im almost 100% sure they make them for FC's of some sort of J-world.
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
I know vosko's punk *** had one in his black TII for a little while.
I know vosko's punk *** had one in his black TII for a little while.
I know I talked to Alf when he was over in J-world and he said they only worked on J-spec.
Itd be nice to have one in a US FC. Ill have to talk to vosko next time I see him online
08-14-02, 01:48 AM
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They only make them for the s5 or kouki FC. You have to get them from a Apex Excel shop or order it direct from AP Engineering. There is no reason it would not work on a US spec car that I can see. If you wanted to go Airflow less you could just get all the FD sensors an use them.
This computer is currently not in production so you cant just go buy it at the parts store like you can for a sylvia or GT-R and such. I bought mine as a treat to myself because I always do all the work on my car. It cost me 2300 dollars installed with no tuning It was kinda pricy because I did away with the air flow meter and used all Apex Sensors.
This computer is currently not in production so you cant just go buy it at the parts store like you can for a sylvia or GT-R and such. I bought mine as a treat to myself because I always do all the work on my car. It cost me 2300 dollars installed with no tuning It was kinda pricy because I did away with the air flow meter and used all Apex Sensors.
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Originally posted by Ranzo
They only make them for the s5 or kouki FC. You have to get them from a Apex Excel shop or order it direct from AP Engineering. There is no reason it would not work on a US spec car that I can see. If you wanted to go Airflow less you could just get all the FD sensors an use them.
This computer is currently not in production so you cant just go buy it at the parts store like you can for a sylvia or GT-R and such. I bought mine as a treat to myself because I always do all the work on my car. It cost me 2300 dollars installed with no tuning It was kinda pricy because I did away with the air flow meter and used all Apex Sensors.
They only make them for the s5 or kouki FC. You have to get them from a Apex Excel shop or order it direct from AP Engineering. There is no reason it would not work on a US spec car that I can see. If you wanted to go Airflow less you could just get all the FD sensors an use them.
This computer is currently not in production so you cant just go buy it at the parts store like you can for a sylvia or GT-R and such. I bought mine as a treat to myself because I always do all the work on my car. It cost me 2300 dollars installed with no tuning It was kinda pricy because I did away with the air flow meter and used all Apex Sensors.
Ooooook. Nevermind then. 2300 for a PFC is too rich for my blood. I think Ill just go for a Haltech
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
I know vosko's punk *** had one in his black TII for a little while.
I know vosko's punk *** had one in his black TII for a little while.
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Originally posted by adamlewis
He finally got that piece running!?
Ive been gone for too long
He finally got that piece running!?
Ive been gone for too long
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around 1500 i think for the E6k. thats the model i think is the best. im not sure though. yeah you have to buy a laptop for it but you can get some cheap *** unit off ebay for next to nothing. the requiremnts to run a haltech are pretty simple. you can run it all day off a base map just fine. its what my friend did on his T2. runs rich as all hell though. you can download the basemaps for different cars off the internet or so i hear.
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Originally posted by Ranzo
Well how much is a haltech??
Well how much is a haltech??