Liquid Anarchy

iTrader: (2)

Very classy. A guy asks if we're always at eachother's throats ( Which we're not ) and you start off with this **** that gets me ( Being a 18 year old, like I told you about 3 times ) going.

1st

THE BAC IS NOT NEEDED - It's convenant, it helps to adjust idle ( as you can adjust the idle furthermore with the BAC ) and if you have an A/C then it will compensate for the load that the A/C creates. BUT it CAN be removed, and a car CAN run perfectly fine without it. Just because YOU don't want to take it off, doesn't make it needed.

YOU show ME where YOU'RE getting your information on the BAC. It's as simple as that. I don't see you quoting off your source.

2nd

You were 8 years old. Do you remember anything about the Iran Contra incident? Quit being a ****. I was born 18 years ago, SO ******* WHAT? Just because you're older than I am, doesn't make you smarter than I am. What you went to classes for, I'm doing in my shop, out of need.

3rd

Project84; we ( Being the RX-7 Forum ) are not normally @ eachothers throats. It's just a pet peeve of mine when people descriminate others because of their AGE ( Which is no worse than discriminating by Color, Gender, and any other thing that the person CAN'T HELP )

In short, I hate idiots. And Jim-bob there has proven nothing more than to be one.

One more thing to Jim-Bob, the guy you're talking to just so happened to be 4 during the Iran Contra incident... shut the hell up. I'm done.

FC Drifter

the only person i know who removed his BAC also had a haltech, thats my .02 on this topic. btw, will anyof this transfer over to an S4 T2? id hate to start yankin lines on my engine using a plan made only fo an N/A.

btw i love it when two forum members argue like this, its friggin hilarious

Liquid Anarchy

iTrader: (2)

Yeah, keeps us entertained as well.

No, there are more vac lines on the TII's. I'm not sure what ( All of my knowlage is mostly in S5 N/A's ) make a post and ask. The guys I know without BAC have S4 N/A's, S5 N/A's, and S5 TII's

Jimmy325i

Well, yes I do remember the iran contra stuff. the hearings took place when you were three... the event happend much earlier. (moving at the speed of government) Remember when Regan was shot in `81? hahaha got ya again. I might have been in kindergarden but I remember being sent home from school.

Liquid, I mentioned your age because you were acting it. I've got 2 years in fleet vehicle breakdown management. (for GE Capitol Fleet Services) Know what that means? I listened to morons talk about thier car go bang klunck and figured out what was wrong with it from talking to them on the phone. I also have worked on T700 turbine jet engines in the army, I've been spinning wrenches since I was 8. (hey, wasn't that when you were born? NOPE that was 3 years prior to your birth) Saying I'm stupid only makes you look even more immature. My source for my arguement comes from my EXTENSIVE hands on experience with this type of FI system. aka: I know what the BAC valve is there for... You didn't untill I told you, because you claimed it was for emissions equipment in another thread about 2 days ago.

So.... now that I have that off my chest. (ah, drinks a sip of beer. hey liquid, want one?) <I'm so cruel>

I have no problems acknowledging my limitations in skill and experience. I started this thread asking for help because this is my first rotary and I'm not well versed in them yet. I'd like to take this opportunity to re-direct MY thread back to a knowledge sharing and enlightening experience. Anyone else have something worth hearing about the subject?

I'm still wondering what all the solenoids do? Isn't the computer gonna get wiggy without them connected?

Liquid Anarchy

iTrader: (2)

They don't send error codes to the comp, they're all just on/off switches.

I suggest if you're intrested in the little parts of the engine, go to www.fc3s.org and download the FSM.

BTW 1975 + 8 = 1983, I was alive when you were "spinning wrenches"

Brush up on your math.

*Takes a toke* Want some? If I wanted a beer, I'd go to my fridge. I'll stick to sitting here, lighting my pipe, and deciding where to go tomorrow to push product, now that I have some again. $300 in 2 days isn't bad by me.

Jimmy325i

so you're a little pot head... that actually makes sense.

I'm fully aware of what a solenoid does in its principle application.

Liquid Anarchy

iTrader: (2)

Well, if there isn't an error code that applys to the solinoids, then it's not sending information back to the computer. The computer doesn't care if they're there or not.

And the aforementioned AFM tells which solinoid does what. It's a highly reccomended download. The entire S5 FSM is 54.5MB to give you a rough idea of the size.

And about the pothead thing... you'd be surprised how many very famous people smoked marijuana. Me? I sell a lot more than I smoke. I think I'll go to a middleschool tomorrow... J/K

NZConvertible

No Jimmy, you're wrong. The BAC compensates for added load, not low temps. With the S4 the ECU compares idle speed with throttle position and increases the duty cycle of the BAC's solenoid valve if the revs are lower than they should be for a closed throttle. (The S5 ECU has direct inputs from the headlights, etc instead.)
The "choke" function when the engine is cold is taken care of by the thermowax on the TB, which opens the primary throttle a bit to increase idle speed until the engine warms up.
As for error codes, the S4 ECU has very limited self-diagnosis compared to the S5's. Removing the solenoids of an S5 will generate error codes, but the S4 doesn't have this feature. A general knowledge of EFI does not mean you know everything about a particular model. If you took some time to read the FSM's, you'd know about these things and wouldn't shoot yourself in the foot. After you've read the relevant section of the FSM, do a search for BAC, specifically under Hailers' name. The way the BAC works has been discussed at great length. Then come back and admit you were wrong... So? What did you expect?

rx7_ragtop

Ok kiddies... let's keep it civil.

Brad

rx7_ragtop

Ok kiddies... let's keep it civil.

Brad

wpgrexx

okay, I have an s4, i took off the BAC and after a few hours (strecthing it) i got the idle adjusted, I do not drive my vehicle in the winter so the climate change doesn't get to mine. It idles fine at around 750, right where it is supposed to. Not trying to prove or disprove anyone, but on my car it works fine without it. I warm the car up with my foot on the gas holding the idle at 1500 for like 2-3 mins before i drive away, doesn't stall, even with a bac you should warm your car up before you drive. Gets the oil to the proper operating temp to get maximum protection before diving up over 3000rpm.

P.S. Liquid Anarchy, carefull what you say aout what you slang, ya never know who is reading this ****. Personally i prefer joints to pipes though, chocolate blunts baby. fit like 2-3 grams in one blunt, ahhhhhh i love chronic, gotta smoke raoches now. btw how is the greenery in the USA, yall gotta try the bc bud.

HAILERS

Theres a factory service manual online at http://www.fc3s.org and also at http://www.iluvmyrx7.com Look in the fuel section and at the front few pages it gives a description of what each item does. Also if you download the 89 manual, in the CONTROL SECTION of the fuel chapter, there are some *relationship charts* that show how things inter-relate.

Just download the Fuel section, don't need the whole book.

Jimmy325i

Yep, read all that last night and it is true that the mazda FI doesn't use the BAC in the same way that the other systems do. (ie. BOSCH) So I'm wrong. I've got no problems admitting that.

NZ, I was making that point about the eclipse MAF to back up my example that some people are more content with shitty running cars than others are. I bitched at him for a week to plug it back in. Sucker was in limp mode drowning it with fuel.

Is there anywhere that has a manual for an S4 online? I didn't trust the information because of the change in series, which is why I posted this thread.

Project84

That is what I was talking about earlier. In the 1st Gen forum, if someone states something that is incorrect, antoher member will politely show him the error in his thought logic, and provide sources or resources to prove the point. I noticed that in the 2nd gen forum, more times than not, if someone states something that is wrong, the next guy will immediately insult and/or flame the first guy. most of this thread is just Jimmy and Liquid anarchy arguing back and forth.

CrackHeadMel

iTrader: (2)

www.fc3s.org has FSM for both 4th and 5th serise cars, there and pdf format so ur gona need acrobat reader or somethting of that sorts, this was already said in this thread, but im feeling nice

-Jacob

COsborne

Ive removed everything including the spider. I'll post pics or answer questions or whatever. The BAC can be removed and you can use the stop screw to adjust your idle if you need to

Jimmy325i

My early `86 S4 looks a lot different than the `88 in that manual. Which is why I was asking...

boostmotorsport

If your making only 150$ per day selling weed your not doing too good! I havent sold weed in about 7 years but that $ kinda sucks, especially by todays dollar value. thats what Id call Schwag!

Liquid Anarchy

iTrader: (2)

Ok Ok Ok... this is part-time. I shall start full-time soon.

There are 16oz in a lb

A ¼ is 7gr of product, 1gr of packaging

With 64gr of product, this creates 64gr of packaging

so, total product + packaging = 576gr

576/8 = 72 8oz. ¼'s

I can get anywhere from $25 to $40 per ¼ depending on the conditions.

So, $400 investment; $1400-2480 return w/ initial capital refunded.

In short, lots of tax-free profit. between myself and my partner, that's $700-1240 a peice. Not bad for about a weeks work.

MPGREXX; I'd love to try some. It's not too bad here, just a bit up-tight as of late. But... who cares. The reason I have a partner is he keeps it all at his place. When it's all gone, we divide the money in 2.

Project84

drugs are bad, um K?

banzaitoyota

Please keep the drug crap out of this section of the forum, k?