Just curious, to what you guys think...

If you would have to do it all again, would you skip the rx7 and go towards a Tsi or Tsi Awd??? Gsx???

This goes to all you guys Turbo II/Gxl Etc Owners....

Personally I think I wouldnt for the simple fact the Rx7 is by far a "REAL SPORTS CAR" at least in my opinion

Let me know

 

I won't give up my 7 for anything...thats just me though.

Dan

 

If you can afford it get both. Living in the Great White North I imagine an all wheel drive vehicle is very handy in the winter. If you can only have one?????????????? Your in the wrong forum to ask a person to choose.

 

Well I had both and I decided that changing turbos every 3,000 or so mile instead of the oil just wasn't for me. My Talon TSi AWD was a nightmare to say the least. The only thing I can really think that I liked about it was winter driving. It doesn't handle as well as either or the 7's doesn't look as good, and sure the hell doesn't run as good. People can say what they like about 7's and high up keep. I've had zero problems wtih both of my 7's, yep thats right nothing but fluidchanges and brakes and tires, etc....
When I first got my Talon, within a few weeks both headlight motors seized, thus resulting in the always up position (ever see a first gen DSM with its lights up, but the lights not on?) and while my girl friend may have enjoyed the fact that it was, "always up" I sure the hell didn't. I had electrical, body, problems you name it I had it. I had the whole door side molding fly off the car while doing 90 mph down the highway. The transmission had problems too!
Overall the car was a POS!

 

I looked at quite a few turbo awd dsm's before getting my rx7.. All of them had their own little problems (nothing REAL major..just didn't want to buy into it for what they were asking). They're rather cheap and easy to mod, and it's hard to beat an AWD launch. The stock bottom end of the engine is damn strong, and can handle up to something like 22psi of boost.

If I had the money, I'd get one.. especially for the winter..

But, alas, I did get an FC... I just wish it was a turbo, too.. (pun!)

-Tesla

 

the DSM's are pretty badass...i was trying to get one before i got the T2...but all of them either have SUCH high mileage (1st gens) or they are just modded to hell. no low mileage stock ones left i guess...

anyone see that video of a 10 sec fwd 1st gen and a 12 sec 2nd gen DSM racing on the highway. the 1st gen lets the 2nd get like 10 car lenghts...then CATCHES HIM!!! that thing was nuts...wish i still had that video...

 

I def like the talon tsi.
I was considering a 92 talon tsi stock vs 89 Rx7 Turbo II modified. I ended up getting the RX7 (of course) but the talons are cars that I would consider later on.
I would also put the 2 cars in the same catergory (not Sport car or GT wise) but in the Cheap and fast stock category. Definitly the Honda killers.

 

i had a talon and i had no mechanical problems with it, though i too had a side moulding fall off, never found it either, which really sucked. I think talons and RX-7s are good for different things, AWD talons are awesome for drag racing especially on the street (until your tranny blows) but it would take a lot of suspension work just to be able to keep up with a stock RX-7 in the corners. the AWD is a lot of fun in the snow though, but i want a car i can slide in any conditions, that's why my next car will be RWD (rx-7).

 

I asked my mechanic the same question. He said Talons are bottom of the barrel in reliability, cost of replacement parts, and ease of maintanence. A frind of mine had one and the turbo was toast by 40 thousand miles.

 

I test drove a 93 eclipse AWD turbo with 25k miles on it this past summer. Car was mint, ran good, pretty quick, notchy shifting, oil light, antifreeze light, pulled hard to the left and had a cracked head/head gasket.

POS

 

Wow, thats some bad reviews for the talons... Are you guys being honest here or just being Rx7 fans??

Thats some pretty harsh ****, if its true thank goodness i didnt go for the tsi

... PS did anyone notice the 2g's rx7 is up to date???? Comparing the Talons interrior vs the Rx7 is an utter joke

 

If I started over I'd probably take either. Granted, so is the TSI but there are still quite a few Eclipses with the same body. The FC body seems timeless.

I also prefer cars with a boneline anyway...

 

I can not lie, I love cars in general. Okay so I like RX-7's the most, but my 7's have never left me on the side of the road on a cold January night. DSM's are a nigthmare! Stay away! Prices for parts are outrageous when you consider how many are on the road. I had more problems than I can list. Later DSM's have crank walk. Guess thats what happens when you stuff a Neon motor in a car the weighs close to 2 tons. Bad idea! My Talon died around 80,000 miles and I take real good care of my $hit!

 

Before getting my 87 Rx7 TII, I had my eyes on a white 92 Talon Tsi AWD Turbo with leather. Sweet car, but I couldn't get the financing on it. I think the Talon is a more bullet proof car when it comes to modifying it and definitely given the same mods, the Talon is faster. But I like my RX7 because its a real JAPANESE car, not some DOMESTIC/JAP cross like the Chrysler. Besides, owning an RX7 TII seems to commend more respect and rarity in my town, then owning a Talon would. I love my TII and don't regret not getting the TALON, but still wished to experience owning one, perhaps as a second car!

 

hey!! i loved the interior in my talon, maybe it's not in style now but everything was perfectly placed, the seats were comfortable, and i though it looked really cool.

talons aren't as bad as you people say, ask the average car person how reliable an RX-7 is and you'll get similar responses.

 

my friend sold his 90 talon to buy his 90 TII, his talon was moded and running 15psi and with susp mods. and he likes the TII better (well in the dry . the talon has wimpy *** brakes. he warped them a few times. and a crappy tranny. they are cool cars though. the TII and tsi talon are the 2 best sports cars for the $$. I'd drive either.

 

I like the looks and handling of the RX7 better than the Talon. Besides, you can get way more HP out of the ol' wankel.

 

I own a 91 talon tsi which is way faster then my rx7 vert but it still isnt as fun to drive because its not rwd plus the handling isnt nearly as good. Also i think rx7s look way better and are cooler because they are rarer then talons, here in fairbanks alaska there are so many damn talons but im the only one with a rx7 vert hehehe. also the engine in my talon went because the timing belt snaped off. I'm in the middle of getting the car fixed right now. Plus Talons have VERY weak trannys. my rx7 treats me good. most the time anyways.

 

I test drove a Talon turbo last year and was VERY disappointed.
It was very slow compared to my 87 TII and it handled like a boat. How much do those things weigh?

 

I used to own a 1991 Galant VR4 - it's a real close cousin of the DSM Turbos...

Those transmissions SUCK!

Granted, you can mod one very cheaply to make it go very fast (drag strip), and the Internet support (ClubDSM) is top-notch.

The FC will give you a bit more finesses, and a big advantage in the suspension department.

Most of you know that a turbo FC can be made to be very quick.

The AWD TSi GSX will hole-shot you, but it's hefty weight (3400#?) makes it a poor top-end speeder.



-Ted

 

The one thing I'll say in favor of AWD DSMs is that if I had bought one instead of my TII, I would be driving it now instead of storing my car and driving an 88 Subaru wagon for winter...but that's about it. I'd much rather give up the AWD and back seat for everything my RX-7 has to offer.

 

I have a friend that has a mitsubishi Mirage (the old econe-box style)


that has the turbo 2 liter motor in it from the DSM's and that thing is fast as hell!!!! It is unbeilably fast. I think he said after he gets his new drag wheels and tires he is going to be shooting for mid 11's!!!

Personally I love this little car. It gets upwards of 40 mpg around town and still has the power and punch to pull on almost everycar on the road (you get the funniest looks from the corvette guys )

If I had $6,000 laying around this is prolly what I would do with it!

 

I had a 91 AWD. It was pretty modded. Had a 20g turbo, FMIC, injectors, higher compression, full 3"..etc etc. The car could run 11.9@115. One problem..between me and the previous owner the car had gone through 6 trannies in a 2 year period. DSMs are great if you want a quick street car but keep the hp around 350. Any more then that and you're looking into some serious drivetrain durability issues. So now I have my T2 and I'm a huge fan of RWD now. The car is still pretty much stock with a stock exhaust, intercooler and fuel. Somehow I've managed to cross the traps at 98mph. But buck for buck..the talon/eclipse is the best deal out there.

 

Call me crazy, but I'm actually looking to sell my 87 TII to get an AWD Turbo Talon or Eclipse. I like my RX-7, but I think the Mitsu 4G63 is a far more solid and durable motor then the 13B is. The 4G63 is notorious for taking up to 450 hp and 25-30 psi with STOCK INTERNALS! Hell, Sean Glazer ran over 600HP (at the flywheel) with the stock low end and 95 pistons! That's pretty impressive if you ask me, and it really shows how strong the 4G63 motor is. Their is no doubt that it can take unheard of hp and boost in stock form. And let's not forget the hard to beat 60 ft. time with the AWD launches. of course, tranny and drivetrain are still questionable, they are not known to be the greatest, but they can be built up easily enough. Trying to run higher boost/higher hp in my TurboII so far has been painstaking and very difficult and I feel that on a DSM it would be much easier because of the nearly bulletproof motor.

 

Not necessarily - the key to making gobs of power on an FC turbo is the turbo and intercooler.&nbsp These are not cheap things to be replacing, but a decent T04 mated to an HKS cast manifold should only cost you a couple grand.&nbsp Add a front-mount intercooler for a little over a grand, and you get something that'll do 400hp to the wheels all day long.&nbsp Now, it's a matter of getting enough fuel into the engine to keep up with all that air the big T04 is pumping!&nbsp The stock FC turbo transmission can handle 400hp without breaking a sweat - not something the DSM turbo can brag about.




-Ted