PX Brotherhood

im looking at getting one of these. i heard that emanage will act as an FCD but have searched and found nothing. does anyone know if this is true?

also would anyone care to give me their opinions/experience on the two, to help me make a decision?

right now im leaning more towords the emanage and then back it up with the Profec E01.

gsracer

The FCD feature on the e-manage won't work with the fc. If the Fuel cut was activated at a certain afm voltage then it could be used, but the fuel cut signal is totally independent of the afm since it's coming from the pressure sensor.

I've had the safc, as well as the e-manage. Both will work, the e-manage will work better and with more precision. For the cost I think the e-manage is just a better deal than the safc. I wouldn't bother with the e-01, just use a laptop. You can find a cheap *** laptop running windows 95 for 60 bucks at a pawn shop.

You will want the:
cable (get a clone cable to save you money, they are have the price)
software (free, get it from the yahoo emanage group)
main unit
main harness
ignition harness (with the left over wires you can make the injector harness without ordering the injector harness)

Search around on the emanage yahoo group, ebay, dsm/turbo honda/supra boards and you'll find a good deal on the e-manage.

MARTIN

depends what you like and your plans are... the emanage can squeeze all the juice out of your stock ecu, it has ability to tune timing, and fuel... the safc has only fuel, plus it has a better map resolution than the safc... you can switch to an s5 afm, and run extra injectors.... although the setup on the safc is fairly str8 up...
I also believe that the emanage can eliminate fuel cut...

PX Brotherhood

[QUOTE=gsracer]The FCD feature on the e-manage won't work with the fc. If the Fuel cut was activated at a certain afm voltage then it could be used, but the fuel cut signal is totally independent of the afm since it's coming from the pressure sensor.



so i think ill still have to buy an fcd.

seeing as they are relatively the same price, emanage sounds like a far better option.

(i was gonna use the profec e01 for a boost controller)

MARTIN

[QUOTE=PX Brotherhood]thats $500 for a boost controler, which you really dont need.... they sell profec b's for like $150-200.

gsracer

With the profec e-01 you can use the voltage clamping feauture as a fcd. You will want to set the voltage clamp to around 3.8x volts. I agree with the above post however. You can grab a used FCD for 50 bucks and then a profec b/blitz sbc/evcIII for 150-250 dollars.

PX Brotherhood

i just signed up for the emanage yahoo group. what software should i be dl'ing? (dont have the equiptment just figure i could get that outa the way)


where do u get the knockoff cables?

BlaCkPlaGUE

Why do you need the injector harness if this is a piggyback? wouldn't you just splice the wires that come out of the emanage box into the ecu harness underneath the passenger side mat?

Is that a usb connection I see on the emanage?

If we were to buy the emanage from rx7store.net for example, would it come with everything we need? It doesn't say whats included

PX Brotherhood

good question. ?

gsracer

Because in along with adjusting the afm signal, the e-manage has the ability to directly add more pulsewidth to the injectors after the ecu. So if there are any problems with duty cycle limits imposed by the stock ecu this can easily get around it. It also will measure the duty cycle of your injectors.

Yes it's a USB connection, but an ordinary usb cable won't work. Greddy designed it so that you must buy their cable. There is a user on the yahoo emanage group who designs clone cables and clone pressure sensor.

I'm not sure about the prices on rx7store.net, but www.mohdparts.com has excellent prices on the e-manage and whatever harnesses that you want to get. Go to that URL, and then select the e-manage section. The package deals for the e-manage should be at the top.

BlaCkPlaGUE

Why in the hell does greddy sell a fuel controller that doesn't come with everything that is needed to make it work? I mean if your going to sell a product, make it easy for the buyer, don't surprize them by saying "Oh and before you can use this, buy our data cable or e01, PLUS you'll need an injector harness! Niether are mentioned on most of our greddy dealer sites, so we'll let you guess as to where you can get them!".

bullshit...

I still want one tho )

gsracer

You don't need the injector harness or the e-01 (nearly everyone I know has access to a laptop of some sort)

With just the support tool, main unit, and main harness you will get a 16 x 16 matrix to adjust the afm. This will do the exact same thing the safc would, except instead of a 2 x 8, or 2 x 12 matrix you get much more room to work with.

BlaCkPlaGUE

My question really is

Does the emanage come with everything you need to run it at its base functionality?

I think the idea of having an injector harness is really f*n cool! Overriding the ecu's signals.

Can you get all these parts at a greddy dealer? or do some of them have to be ordered directly from greddy? I have a dealer a few blocks from me according to their list.
I already have a notebook, so I don't need the e-01.

thanks for the info btw.

GTUser

I'll ask you guys a question on tuning an S5 NA. I have an 89 GTU, engine rebuilt a year ago and street ported and a new Bonez Hi-Flow cat and RB catback exhaust.

NC had emissions testing in the county my car is registered in and it will not come close to passing emissions for HC or CO levels in the exhaust. Would a safc or emanage or some other engine mgmt system allow me to properly tune this N/A to improve fuel mgmt and lower emissions? Any recommendations on this problem?

hypothermix79

At its base feature without any thing else its adjust the afm signal like the old apexi afc that uses turn *****

heres the side panel
http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/pho...s/DSC02992.JPG

I hope to have one some day

rekx

after you add all the bells and whistles on the e-manage, it comes up to almost twice what an SAFC costs, and in the end its still a piggy back. That was a main decision of mine when i decided to go with the safc

The Griffin

Maybe, but the safc doesn't control timing( which when you modify the afm signal for larger injectors is advancing timing), additional injectors,allow change to larger AFM.If you look around the web some of the "bells/whistles"can be found for free or cheaply...like the software, clone cables at half the cost, you can use a S5 radio connector for the ignition harness, you don't need the injector harness as it's just a buch of extra wires that add's to the main e-manage harness,build your own FCD,etc.

PX Brotherhood

which of these options would you suggest for my setup Gsracer?

im not that handy at making my own anything(a trait which i hope to improve) yet. so i would probly have to got with something pretty straight forward. i joined the yahoo group so i can get support tool off there.

gsracer

The very bottom package would work just fine for a bolt on fc running the stock or some sort of hybrid turbo. I have seen many, many used e-manage set ups going for 300 dollars or less. Most safc's on ebay are going for maybe 75-100 dollars less. Of course, someone will point out - hey for 300 more I could pick up a used e6k. Absolutely, there's always going to be some sort of compromise.

However, for the money I believe the e-manage has an incredible bang for the buck factor.

What exactly are your power goals? How much money do you feasibly have to spend? These are probably the first two questions you need to answer for yourself and then you can go from there with some sort of a plan.

PX Brotherhood

my power goals? well this is kind of a long term project for me. i want to eventually have it at around 400+rwhp. by no means do i expect that anytime soon. i want to enjoy driving my car in whatever stage its in. i would spend an *** load of money over the long run.

everyone will tell me "go stand alone" but i simply cannot afford that right now. i would spend a little over 500$$. i dont have much more right now.

gsracer

If that power goal is more than a pipe dream and you are truly set on 400+ rwhp then I'll have to another echo: save for a stand alone. There's no point in buying the e-manage now and then buying some sort of EMS just a few months later.

PX Brotherhood

it would probly be more along the line of a couple years. lol plus i think it would be great to get some experience tuning before i move into stand alone.

mazdadude

iTrader: (2)

check this little baby out

http://www.takakaira.com/performance...e=Buddy%20Club

click on the racing spec computer

buy it here for 198

http://www.4caroption.com/Pdut_detai...CU%20/%20CHIPS

PX Brotherhood

any personal experience with this? how would this compare to the emanage in your opinion?

mazdadude

iTrader: (2)

no, but buddy club is a good company, if you search on yahoo, youl find some american stores that sell it for like 500 bucks, just send them and email and ask how it compares to safc and emanage.