Dual Throttle Body
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Originally posted by 88IntegraLS
This forum is where hating flourishes. Go to Nopistons.com if you want any kind of consistent moral support. Sure, they'll rip you up for fun but not in a cocky way. They call this forum a **** camp!
This forum is where hating flourishes. Go to Nopistons.com if you want any kind of consistent moral support. Sure, they'll rip you up for fun but not in a cocky way. They call this forum a **** camp!
Originally posted by O 16581 72452 5
The S-AFC has a setting on it so it can process both of the signals.
The S-AFC has a setting on it so it can process both of the signals.
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Some of them were. However, the only reason I spend time there is for the porting / engine building section, which is completely SUPERIOR to this forum for engine building and porting information. Sure, it may be small, but the really creative rotary builders hang out there instead of here for a reason.
I don't mean this as a knock against this forum, because there is a reason why I am here, too - for the wealth of technical information relating to the FC that is lacking at the other one.
There is a little too much arrogance here in my opinion and it has no purpose. There is a constructive and mature way to tell someone that their idea might not be ideal, and I have not seen this behavior exhibited thus far in this thread by any of the experienced members. I don't consider myself educated enough on intake manifold design to contribute any technical comment myself, although the lounge-esque style of the rest of this dialogue is quite entertaining.
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I don't mean this as a knock against this forum, because there is a reason why I am here, too - for the wealth of technical information relating to the FC that is lacking at the other one.
There is a little too much arrogance here in my opinion and it has no purpose. There is a constructive and mature way to tell someone that their idea might not be ideal, and I have not seen this behavior exhibited thus far in this thread by any of the experienced members. I don't consider myself educated enough on intake manifold design to contribute any technical comment myself, although the lounge-esque style of the rest of this dialogue is quite entertaining.
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Originally posted by 88IntegraLS
Some of them were. However, the only reason I spend time there is for the porting / engine building section, which is completely SUPERIOR to this forum for engine building and porting information. Sure, it may be small, but the really creative rotary builders hang out there instead of here for a reason.
I don't mean this as a knock against this forum, because there is a reason why I am here, too - for the wealth of technical information relating to the FC that is lacking at the other one.
Some of them were. However, the only reason I spend time there is for the porting / engine building section, which is completely SUPERIOR to this forum for engine building and porting information. Sure, it may be small, but the really creative rotary builders hang out there instead of here for a reason.
I don't mean this as a knock against this forum, because there is a reason why I am here, too - for the wealth of technical information relating to the FC that is lacking at the other one.
Originally posted by Evil Aviator
Yes, the small forums don't have enough educated members to know BS when they see it, so the BS flag is rarely raised, and idiots can post whatever they like without impunity (other than non-technical impunity, which you call "for fun, but not in a cocky way"). Of course they call this forum a **** camp, because most of them were banned from this forum, lol.
Yes, the small forums don't have enough educated members to know BS when they see it, so the BS flag is rarely raised, and idiots can post whatever they like without impunity (other than non-technical impunity, which you call "for fun, but not in a cocky way"). Of course they call this forum a **** camp, because most of them were banned from this forum, lol.
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Sure, the porting section is interesting, but once you get experience with porting, there is a limit of what can and cannot be done.  Basically, the guys who know porting are not going to find anything "new" that someone will chance upon in some online forum.  It's still all physics - this is why we ridicule this subject in the first place.  Please, lets not go into this Christipher Colombus argument ...  The forums will produce a lot of trash talking and pipe dreaming - I'm still waiting for that 200hp to the wheels NA with a streetport, and all the f*ckers who told me I didn't know jack when I questioned their theories when they have yet to offer me proof.  Remember the saying:  "talk is cheap."
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
OK, I looked through the S-AFC manual, and I can't find any Sensor Type setting for dual flap-type AFM's (pg 27), dual AFM's on a Mazda RX-7 (page 35), nor can I find a wiring diagram showing how to wire it up to two AFM's. It must be somewhere else in the manual, but I can't find it. Guidance please?
OK, I looked through the S-AFC manual, and I can't find any Sensor Type setting for dual flap-type AFM's (pg 27), dual AFM's on a Mazda RX-7 (page 35), nor can I find a wiring diagram showing how to wire it up to two AFM's. It must be somewhere else in the manual, but I can't find it. Guidance please?
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Originally posted by O 16581 72452 5
His car used a hot-wire MAF, but i thought i recalled seeing a way to wire two AFMs in the options of the S-AFC. How is this topic inappropreate? Has anyone here tested this and can confirm it has absolutely no benefits? Until someone can give a dyno print-out of this with and without the extra throttle-body no one has any say in if this is a bad idea.
His car used a hot-wire MAF, but i thought i recalled seeing a way to wire two AFMs in the options of the S-AFC. How is this topic inappropreate? Has anyone here tested this and can confirm it has absolutely no benefits? Until someone can give a dyno print-out of this with and without the extra throttle-body no one has any say in if this is a bad idea.
If I come in here and say "paint your rotor housings green, and it'll give you 10 more horsepower!" - are you going to just sit there and accept that until someone says otherwise?
There's a difference between accepting something on face value and trying to accept something that is logically flawed.
If we allow everyone to post their theories on what MIGHT work, this board will go to ****...
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Originally posted by 88IntegraLS
There is a little too much arrogance here in my opinion and it has no purpose. There is a constructive and mature way to tell someone that their idea might not be ideal, and I have not seen this behavior exhibited thus far in this thread by any of the experienced members.
There is a little too much arrogance here in my opinion and it has no purpose. There is a constructive and mature way to tell someone that their idea might not be ideal, and I have not seen this behavior exhibited thus far in this thread by any of the experienced members.
There's nothing wrong with the idea of twin throttle bodies, if there's potential for improvement and it's done properly. The example given was very poorly done, and the in the case of the FC it's impractical and unnecessary. Both of these points were made early on and in a polite manner.
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Originally posted by NZConvertible
Both of these points were made early on and in a polite manner.
Both of these points were made early on and in a polite manner.
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Exactly. Grow up guys. Respect is earned and if you want people to respect your knowlege, convey it in a mature manner.
Tell me one thing, how would you speak to each other face to face?
Tell me one thing, how would you speak to each other face to face?
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Originally posted by 88IntegraLS
Tell me one thing, how would you speak to each other face to face?
Tell me one thing, how would you speak to each other face to face?
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Originally posted by RETed
Ask anyone who knows me - this is how I dish it out, face-to-face.
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Ask anyone who knows me - this is how I dish it out, face-to-face.
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I would say that two FC TB's is pointless and will not work well at all. If you did that I would just call you stupid because the manifold is not designed to have two FC TB's
Maybe if you casted your own DIFFERENT manifold that utilized an EMS and twin TB"s NOT STOCK FC ones but ones made to work with the new manifold and the EMS that would be a great idea but would cost probablyt around 6-800 dollars. Your idea was creative but you lacked the knowledge of what it would really do on the FC not the ACCENT which is different in TWO major ways.
ONE it is not rotary
TWO it is not using our style of intake manifolds or EFI it likely has new and updated EFI which is probably working on different principles than ours therefore results are going to be different.
And to answer 88teg's ? I generally speak the way I type but I would get punched in the face if I did that with you guys FACE-TO-FACE since you all can't handle harshness.
Maybe if you casted your own DIFFERENT manifold that utilized an EMS and twin TB"s NOT STOCK FC ones but ones made to work with the new manifold and the EMS that would be a great idea but would cost probablyt around 6-800 dollars. Your idea was creative but you lacked the knowledge of what it would really do on the FC not the ACCENT which is different in TWO major ways.
ONE it is not rotary
TWO it is not using our style of intake manifolds or EFI it likely has new and updated EFI which is probably working on different principles than ours therefore results are going to be different.
And to answer 88teg's ? I generally speak the way I type but I would get punched in the face if I did that with you guys FACE-TO-FACE since you all can't handle harshness.
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I'm not an FC owner, i'm an FB SE owner. It seems very possible for it to work on my manifold effectively, but S-AFCs are not compatable with my ECU so i really can't try it without wiring an EMS. If i ever do buy an EMS and have extra parts laying around i will definately try it though and post dyno results. I have a dyno at school, the univerisity is just too lazy to get it working properly.
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I would personally save your time and buy a few textbooks on intake design. Whilst you understand that the main principle is to get more air into the engine, you have approached it from the wrong direction.
This is understandable if you haven't studied the basics. Once you have you will understand how silly your original hypothesis was.
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This is understandable if you haven't studied the basics. Once you have you will understand how silly your original hypothesis was.
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