robtechfabrications

you may have figured it out!!

i think there were a few cool ones that were pink or camo...and all the style leaches just latched on...****** biters!!

takahashiRyosukeFC3S

i believe that the term "kids" is being generalised here, and misconstrued for a chonological amount of time on earth. where the people who hold something against "kids" are actually hold something against the idiot people who have no respect for other drivers on or off the road, and those who want to do something to be part of the "in crowd" "kids" are not the ones going to drift competitions talking to people learning to drive and tune their machine to it's full potential. they will just be ignorant and do doughnuts with countersteer and say they are drifting.

I think you all get what i mean, "kids" are not mature no matter how many years you have been on this planet.

jana,
TR

13b4me

Kids watch drifting cartoons...

takahashiRyosukeFC3S

Exactly! kids watch drifting cartoons and want to emulate that. we watch Japanese D1 and hope someday to master out cars to that caliber... or just have fun on a drift day or at a drift school.

Jana,
TR

robtechfabrications

where can i find out about drift schools? i havent seen any...havent really looked either though but i'd be interested in that...

J.T.P.

iTrader: (13)

Rob, go to a driftday.com event, Alex Pfeiffer, Taka Aono, and Hiro Sumida (all D1 and formula D licensed drivers) are usually there and are more than happy to offer assistance to beginner drivers.. this is gonna be the closest you'll get to a "drift school" plus these events are very "safe" to practice at... the worst you can do is hit a cone..

renegade_gxl

ill admit i am young and dont know as much as you guys. but i am on here trying to learn and find out what i can. just because i havent curbed my car while sideways, yes im prolly or most definatly not going as fast as you guys. but i also have to use my car for a daily driver and to find replacment parts for my car is difficult when the nearest mazda dealership is about 25-30 miles from where im located.. and the auto parts stores in my town always tell me to go to mazda because they cant get the parts for me. so i appoligize forany misconception ive given you. but i do have to be nice on my car. and if i do curb my car then im screwed for a couple of days because i have to get to the next city as well as get my car to a shop so i can do the work.. not to mention i wont be able to get to work for those days. supposing that ive dammaged my car enough. i do appoligize thoughand have/will listen to any drift advice you or any one else has.. sorry for the little rant aswell. im just sick of being considered a kid thats just wanting to drift because of Initial D. aswell as have already gone through dooing the normal sliding through local corners like most other teenagers. but i stopped dooing that and am searching for the closest trak that will allow me to do some grip and drift driving.

MaczPayne

iTrader: (5)

I think the parts for sale section is a good place for parts if you don't want to be shafted by the dealership. Once I finish my drivetrain overhaul, I think I can start doing other things.

ProjectR13B

iTrader: (1)

here you go, personally a 240 feels better in the downshift and is less jittery than my 7 is, but i would still rather drift my FC. its just a car to get used to. ive got a stock S4 right now witch an aluminum hood and full interior and i can get it sideways and keep it sideways, it does tend to feint back a bit and throw a counter drift butthat is because i have no grip on my tires, i think its a great platform to learn with because it is a bit more difficult. also, you can pick up a N/A FC cheaper than you can find an 86 or an s13 and much cheaper than you can find an s14. before i got mine all i did was powerslide my accord so its a big improvemnt from sliding a fat FF to a light FR. anyways, good luck man. im in the process of building my car up to be drift worthy haha.

darksider

well all this doesnt matter because the fast and the furious 3 is comming soon. wish i didnt have to but i will probably sell my car when i start seeing them like civics. **** **** CRAP *** BITCH!!!

to everything else, stop hating and let them do what they want. if you dont have nothing nice to say dont say nothing. my 2 cents

robtechfabrications

thanx justin you're full of usefull info...what about justdrift events? are those cool with beginners too? that track all your videos are on looks like a a very forgiving one to learn on

J.T.P.

iTrader: (13)

yeah, justdrift is cool with beginners too... they do have some events that are advanced drivers only and others that are expert license drivers only too... but they have quite a few that are for everyone... everyones really chill there and i'd be more than happy to help u out if you came.. even just to watch... i have a passenger seat, and if it's open anyone's welcome to ride along..

robtechfabrications

is it cool if i happen to go to one of the advanced/expert events just to check out the cars, watch, talk to some people?

J.T.P.

iTrader: (13)

yeah, most definately, spectators are always welcome...

robtechfabrications

hey i was thinking last night..posted a new thread about it but nobody really read it...

about the super angle kits and spindle mods...can you run both?

just to make sure i have this straight (if im wrong let me know how it works)
super angle kits basically legnthen your steering arms right? which gives it the extra travel for that 7 degrees right?
the spindle mod relocates the arm mount closer to center so with the same arm movement it turns more..

so can you do both for some rediculous steering angle? or does it throw it outta whack? cuz it seems like with longer arms and with the spindle attachment closer it'd cause problems??

robtechfabrications

i have pictures of the spindle mod and can easily fabricate that myself but does anybody have pictures of a super angle kit actually installed?

J.T.P.

iTrader: (13)

i can probably take some pics this weekend of the super angle kit installed... you can run both the S.A.K. and mod the spindle, but you don't want to just go chopping up the mounting point.... there's distinct geometry that much be kept to keep the steering correct.... if you draw a straight line from the center of the diff through the lower ball-joint of the spindle the mounting point on the tie-rod end should line up... i haven't checked the factory location of the tie-rod end to varify if mazda did it correctly, bu thats how it 'should' be.... i plan on working on that maybe sunday and into this coming week... then making the correct measurements to make sure i don't shorten it too much and run into the wheel hitting either the control arm or the inner fender, which would cause some unwanted binding... you can't exactly use someone elses measurements when modding the spindle because it depends on how wide you're wheels are and what offset your running to get the most angle without going too far.... and then you must take into consideration if you'll be modifying caster at all as well, cuz this will change steering angles/camber while turning... all needs to be taken into the whole equation.... i'm currently running 9.5" wheels up front with a -11 offset.... this is wider than what i've seen many other FC drivers run, but it works for me.. and it gets a good stretch on the 225/40's that i'm running up there.. this is why i'll have to take my own measurements and mod the spindles to my own specs... hope this gives you a little insight on what you'll need to do..

ProjectR13B

iTrader: (1)

true that **** man.

robtechfabrications

ahhh...i saw some pictures of the mod in prgress and it looks like they added a section of tube (for the mount) and used a jig to keep it at the same angle as stock its just moved back and in about an inch...i'll definately have to read more about IFS im so used to building straight axle trucks i overlooked the steering geometry because the sttering on a SA truck is just a bar across that connects each spindle...

robtechfabrications

damn thats a nasty brake!!

but see what i mean? mount position is at same angle...just moved inward a lil bit...so what i was planning on doing is pulling off my whole brake rotor etc to expose the spindle...then measure where my tierod would be if it was a straight shot to the spindle...pick up a set of spare spindles and mark them at the location...then make matching jigs for each side...

but you're correct i didnt account for wheel size and offset...so i'll need to learn how to factor that in...

RETed

I'm sorry, but I find this attitude to be total bull.
(Constructive) criticism, whether it's good OR bad, is always a good thing - if you learn something from it, that makes you a better person.
"Wisdom" comes from such experiences.
If we were all "tactful" not to say nice things to each other, this world would be pretty screwed up...just look at POLITICIANS.


-Ted

J.T.P.

iTrader: (13)

the thread (i believe) you're following is a good basis to start from, but like i mentioned don't use someone else's measurements, and MOST definately don't just eyeball it... it's definately a good idea to get an extra set of spindles... i actually picked up 2 extra sets, i plan on trying a couple different things.. here's something to start with..
super angle spec secret code words
but you guys will have to dig up more info, as i've done a lot of leg work already... and i'm sorry but i can't share all the secrets.. yet. also remember that the FC is front steer (steering is in front of the center of the hub), so the diagram on that link is opposite from how our cars are setup... there is a lot more to consider with the front suspension when setting this all up, but that will get u started on understanding how it all works...

robtechfabrications

i need to head down to the mazda wrecker next week and see if i can score some spindles...

eyecandy

iTrader: (19)

Here is a link to pics of the SuperNow! Super angle kit and without the kit installed

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...8&postcount=24

ProjectR13B

iTrader: (1)

just a touch up on the whole "kids" thing. now, i may have never been to a drift event, or in a real drift car, but i also live in nascar VA usa. we have a million circle tracks but the closest road track ive found is VIR like 3 1/2 hours from my house. also, i heard it mentioned that you dont truely drift if you've never met the curb, dont get me wrong, but i cant afford to meet it. I hit the curb once, 6000rpmish about 50mph. took out 3 rims, 3 tires, my brakes stopped working and messed up my suspension. id prefer never to make a mistake lik that again on my budget. the closest i can see to this rule is if you say that youve never drifted if youve never spun out, i think everyone can honestly recall countless times there car spun or started to spin. sorry for the rant, but i do belive that drifting is one of the few sports left out there that virtually anyone with a job can get into. for gods sake Falken has a camero out there now. if they can drift that then anyone else can drift too. and for reference before incase of any bashing, i do not have an e-brake, so my drifts all consist of downshifting.