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it's definately a skyline.
No hatch ;-)
Although I can see how you thought it might be a kitted out FC
http://209.132.49.149/images-large/1...r32_gt-r-1.jpg
No hatch ;-)
Although I can see how you thought it might be a kitted out FC
http://209.132.49.149/images-large/1...r32_gt-r-1.jpg
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I read this thread because I thought it was pretty funny. But do you actually think that drifting is the fastest way through a corner????? You are sadly mistaken.
Has anybody read, Drive to Win, or Bondurant's Handbook on Race Driving, or Skip Barber's book??? In these books, written by some of the better racers or mechanics of our time, they never mention the need to drift a car through a corner, to reach maximum grip.
Maybe if your a rally driver........
But, hey, its fun, so we do it anyway, right? But if you think its fast, your an idiot.
Has anybody read, Drive to Win, or Bondurant's Handbook on Race Driving, or Skip Barber's book??? In these books, written by some of the better racers or mechanics of our time, they never mention the need to drift a car through a corner, to reach maximum grip.
Maybe if your a rally driver........
But, hey, its fun, so we do it anyway, right? But if you think its fast, your an idiot.
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You do realize that InitialD is a cartoon!
I, myself, find the FC a real pain in the *** the drift very nicely.  What works against the FC is the inherent balance of the chassis (i.e. very close to 50/50 stock).  The DTSS is a royal pain in the *** that kills any really smooth (full lock) drifting attempts; yes, the DTSS eliminators really do help.  Most FC's have already blown out their LSD's; LSD's dying at 30k-50k miles is not uncommon.  The FC is also a bit on the heavier side, which makes counter corrections a real skill.
You're probably wondering why I'm saying all of this?  Cause my other car is a Hachi...
-Ted
I, myself, find the FC a real pain in the *** the drift very nicely.  What works against the FC is the inherent balance of the chassis (i.e. very close to 50/50 stock).  The DTSS is a royal pain in the *** that kills any really smooth (full lock) drifting attempts; yes, the DTSS eliminators really do help.  Most FC's have already blown out their LSD's; LSD's dying at 30k-50k miles is not uncommon.  The FC is also a bit on the heavier side, which makes counter corrections a real skill.
You're probably wondering why I'm saying all of this?  Cause my other car is a Hachi...
-Ted
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Originally posted by crossbar17
whats a drifter???
whats a drifter???
-Ted
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You do realize that InitialD is a cartoon!
I, myself, find the FC a real pain in the *** the drift very nicely.  What works against the FC is the inherent balance of the chassis (i.e. very close to 50/50 stock).  The DTSS is a royal pain in the *** that kills any really smooth (full lock) drifting attempts; yes, the DTSS eliminators really do help.  Most FC's have already blown out their LSD's; LSD's dying at 30k-50k miles is not uncommon.  The FC is also a bit on the heavier side, which makes counter corrections a real skill.
You're probably wondering why I'm saying all of this?  Cause my other car is a Hachi...
-Ted
You do realize that InitialD is a cartoon!
I, myself, find the FC a real pain in the *** the drift very nicely.  What works against the FC is the inherent balance of the chassis (i.e. very close to 50/50 stock).  The DTSS is a royal pain in the *** that kills any really smooth (full lock) drifting attempts; yes, the DTSS eliminators really do help.  Most FC's have already blown out their LSD's; LSD's dying at 30k-50k miles is not uncommon.  The FC is also a bit on the heavier side, which makes counter corrections a real skill.
You're probably wondering why I'm saying all of this?  Cause my other car is a Hachi...
-Ted
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Originally posted by speedjw
I read this thread because I thought it was pretty funny. But do you actually think that drifting is the fastest way through a corner????? You are sadly mistaken.
Has anybody read, Drive to Win, or Bondurant's Handbook on Race Driving, or Skip Barber's book??? In these books, written by some of the better racers or mechanics of our time, they never mention the need to drift a car through a corner, to reach maximum grip.
Maybe if your a rally driver........
But, hey, its fun, so we do it anyway, right? But if you think its fast, your an idiot.
I read this thread because I thought it was pretty funny. But do you actually think that drifting is the fastest way through a corner????? You are sadly mistaken.
Has anybody read, Drive to Win, or Bondurant's Handbook on Race Driving, or Skip Barber's book??? In these books, written by some of the better racers or mechanics of our time, they never mention the need to drift a car through a corner, to reach maximum grip.
Maybe if your a rally driver........
But, hey, its fun, so we do it anyway, right? But if you think its fast, your an idiot.
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An AE86 has to be one of the easiest to drift? Not really. Fun to drive: yes. Fun to slide in: yes. Do I wish that SoCal didn't have most of them: hell yeah. But not that easy to drift. Great car to bone up on your driving skills. If you can drift an AE86 well, then chances are you are a damn good drifter. They lack power and a long wheelbase. Two things that allow for nice smooth slides. These shortcomings make the driver make up for them by being better. Of course there's always the aftermarket that can take care of some of these issues, but they still remain. It's a simple pure car that will make a bad driver look bad and a good one look better. Lightweight, RWD, simple and easy to work on, and reliable as a brick. They don't make 'em like they used to.
I forgot to jump on that remark about drifting being the fastest way around a corner. Technically it isn't. But there are times when you have to change your line around a corner. If you can grip drive as well as drift, then you'll have the advantage if you have to adjust your line around a curve or corner. Just go to an autoX and see what the fastest drivers do. Chances are they don't like to let their tires slip at all.
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I forgot to jump on that remark about drifting being the fastest way around a corner. Technically it isn't. But there are times when you have to change your line around a corner. If you can grip drive as well as drift, then you'll have the advantage if you have to adjust your line around a curve or corner. Just go to an autoX and see what the fastest drivers do. Chances are they don't like to let their tires slip at all.
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Originally posted by RETed
You do realize that InitialD is a cartoon!
I, myself, find the FC a real pain in the *** the drift very nicely.  What works against the FC is the inherent balance of the chassis (i.e. very close to 50/50 stock).  The DTSS is a royal pain in the *** that kills any really smooth (full lock) drifting attempts; yes, the DTSS eliminators really do help.  Most FC's have already blown out their LSD's; LSD's dying at 30k-50k miles is not uncommon.  The FC is also a bit on the heavier side, which makes counter corrections a real skill.
You're probably wondering why I'm saying all of this?  Cause my other car is a Hachi...
-Ted
You do realize that InitialD is a cartoon!
I, myself, find the FC a real pain in the *** the drift very nicely.  What works against the FC is the inherent balance of the chassis (i.e. very close to 50/50 stock).  The DTSS is a royal pain in the *** that kills any really smooth (full lock) drifting attempts; yes, the DTSS eliminators really do help.  Most FC's have already blown out their LSD's; LSD's dying at 30k-50k miles is not uncommon.  The FC is also a bit on the heavier side, which makes counter corrections a real skill.
You're probably wondering why I'm saying all of this?  Cause my other car is a Hachi...
-Ted
Originally posted by RevHigh758
86 has got to be the easiest
86 has got to be the easiest
And they say if you can drift a Hachi you can drift just about anything (im assuming FR layout)
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Originally posted by Jerk_Racer
An AE86 has to be one of the easiest to drift? Not really. Fun to drive: yes. Fun to slide in: yes. Do I wish that SoCal didn't have most of them: hell yeah. But not that easy to drift. Great car to bone up on your driving skills. If you can drift an AE86 well, then chances are you are a damn good drifter. They lack power and a long wheelbase. Two things that allow for nice smooth slides. These shortcomings make the driver make up for them by being better. Of course there's always the aftermarket that can take care of some of these issues, but they still remain. It's a simple pure car that will make a bad driver look bad and a good one look better. Lightweight, RWD, simple and easy to work on, and reliable as a brick. They don't make 'em like they used to.
I forgot to jump on that remark about drifting being the fastest way around a corner. Technically it isn't. But there are times when you have to change your line around a corner. If you can grip drive as well as drift, then you'll have the advantage if you have to adjust your line around a curve or corner. Just go to an autoX and see what the fastest drivers do. Chances are they don't like to let their tires slip at all.
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An AE86 has to be one of the easiest to drift? Not really. Fun to drive: yes. Fun to slide in: yes. Do I wish that SoCal didn't have most of them: hell yeah. But not that easy to drift. Great car to bone up on your driving skills. If you can drift an AE86 well, then chances are you are a damn good drifter. They lack power and a long wheelbase. Two things that allow for nice smooth slides. These shortcomings make the driver make up for them by being better. Of course there's always the aftermarket that can take care of some of these issues, but they still remain. It's a simple pure car that will make a bad driver look bad and a good one look better. Lightweight, RWD, simple and easy to work on, and reliable as a brick. They don't make 'em like they used to.
I forgot to jump on that remark about drifting being the fastest way around a corner. Technically it isn't. But there are times when you have to change your line around a corner. If you can grip drive as well as drift, then you'll have the advantage if you have to adjust your line around a curve or corner. Just go to an autoX and see what the fastest drivers do. Chances are they don't like to let their tires slip at all.
jerk_racer@hotmail.com
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In some situations it's not overly usefull to drift. Say F1, although tell that to Montoya. It was certainly common practice once upon a time.
Do they not drift in touring cars?
Do they not drift in touring cars?
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The more downforce you have, and more grip in general(sticky, wide tires) make drifitng much more difficult. That is why you don't see Indy or F1 cars drifting around the track(usually). With that much grip your car can't smoothly drift because there is so much adhesion to the track, that when grip is lost the car wants to snap around. In our cars there is plenty of warning when the car starts to lose traction. And after traction is lost there is still a large amount of useable slip angle(laregely in part because road tires have more flexible sidewalls than race tires) to help keep the car in control before a massive slide starts. If you goto an SCCA road race you will see lots of cars slightly drifting. Keep in mind, I don't mean like Japanese drift videos, just a slight 4-wheel drift.
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Originally posted by Node
Isn't a Hachi near perfect 50/50 also?!
Isn't a Hachi near perfect 50/50 also?!
The car is a WAY lighter chassis, which makes car control a little easier (for most people).
On the comment that drifting is not the fastest way around a corner - generally this is true, but I know of one example a slight drift will be faster - decreasing radius turns.
-Ted
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Originally posted by SpeedRacer
The more downforce you have, and more grip in general(sticky, wide tires) make drifitng much more difficult. That is why you don't see Indy or F1 cars drifting around the track(usually). With that much grip your car can't smoothly drift because there is so much adhesion to the track, that when grip is lost the car wants to snap around. In our cars there is plenty of warning when the car starts to lose traction. And after traction is lost there is still a large amount of useable slip angle(laregely in part because road tires have more flexible sidewalls than race tires) to help keep the car in control before a massive slide starts. If you goto an SCCA road race you will see lots of cars slightly drifting. Keep in mind, I don't mean like Japanese drift videos, just a slight 4-wheel drift.
The more downforce you have, and more grip in general(sticky, wide tires) make drifitng much more difficult. That is why you don't see Indy or F1 cars drifting around the track(usually). With that much grip your car can't smoothly drift because there is so much adhesion to the track, that when grip is lost the car wants to snap around. In our cars there is plenty of warning when the car starts to lose traction. And after traction is lost there is still a large amount of useable slip angle(laregely in part because road tires have more flexible sidewalls than race tires) to help keep the car in control before a massive slide starts. If you goto an SCCA road race you will see lots of cars slightly drifting. Keep in mind, I don't mean like Japanese drift videos, just a slight 4-wheel drift.
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FC will work and you can learn a lot from it. Given equal condition an AE86 cost more than a NA FC I would start out in a FC. However AE 86 and S13-14 are just better car to drift. But on other hand I think S13 will get smoked at gripping by a FC. I will find out how bad at the Button Willow event by Moto from Club 4ag where ther will be drift and grip groups where I will go against all the SR20 happy S13-14 ***** in my S5 open diff. stock GTU.
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Well just got back from the Club 4AG event at East loop of Button Willow and the results is what I expected. Taka in his 20V AE86 had the quickest time with 57 sec. then Hubert with R32 Skyline at 58s and than me with high 58s. There were no S13-14 in sight for at least 2 sec. Consider this was a small course the difference was significant. My S5 GTU has header, 2 1/2 inch center muffler, HKS cat back, KYB silver OEM replacement struts, 350Ib. front springs, 275 rear springs, and Kumho Vectoracers. other wise stock parts. Takas car was pumped to **** and with more hp than my 173k stock motor and a AE86 is more than 500Ib. lighter. I don't know what was done to Hubert's Skyline but I am sure it is not stock. I can not think of a place that will have more modified S13-14 than at Club4AG's event but they were no where to be found with in 2 sec. When my car has stickier tires the rear was sloppy when weight was initially shifted.
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I've been drifting my car without the rear steer eliminators. Its a real pain in the *** at first. Low speed drifts are impossible. But as soon as I gained the ***** to fly through the turns I could drift it. It also takes a lil feint before hand, not to mention a lil e-brake help.
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Originally posted by ForsakenRX7
I've been drifting my car without the rear steer eliminators. Its a real pain in the *** at first. Low speed drifts are impossible. But as soon as I gained the ***** to fly through the turns I could drift it. It also takes a lil feint before hand, not to mention a lil e-brake help.
I've been drifting my car without the rear steer eliminators. Its a real pain in the *** at first. Low speed drifts are impossible. But as soon as I gained the ***** to fly through the turns I could drift it. It also takes a lil feint before hand, not to mention a lil e-brake help.
What do you mean low speed drift is impossible?
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Moderate speeds, I wish I could tell you how fast but my speedo doesnt work. See, if I try to drift at lower speeds the car just wont slide through. It'll either slide to a halt or try to correct itself ruining the drift. Increasing my speed through the curves I've found that it has enough momentum to make it through not giving the DTSS(I think thats right) a chance to correct the car. I dunno, maybe I dont know what the **** I'm talking about. But I can drift my car without em. I just have to go faster.
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Anyone other than me notice that this thread is OVER A YEAR OLD??? And it was *ghey* a year ago.
BTW: anyone heard from SpeedRacer? Last I heard he went off to somewhere for a driving school. MIA ever since.
BTW: anyone heard from SpeedRacer? Last I heard he went off to somewhere for a driving school. MIA ever since.
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Gay? How is this thread gay? Is there fairies running around with men making love to each other? Is Richard Simmons here? No, no I dont think there is. So **** off. If you dont like a thread go to a new one. If you dont like drifting or the idea of it. Dont do it. just dont come on here and be a lil bitch about ****. Yes, this thread is old. So what? Damn, I get sick of hearing these comments. Thats whats old.
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Forsaken: I assume low speed is in 1 st gear. The way I think a drift can be initiated by setting the car and lightly tap the brakes on a FC it has to be at least 35 mph or so and when you got the angle you almost have to be back in first to keep it going because you have scrub off some speed. First gear for me is just for donuts and super tight 180 turns. You have a turbo so it is a little better but still you need to be going like 5000 rpm in second gear by the time you are in the drift to get some good sidewayness.