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iTrader: (1)

it's definately a skyline.
No hatch ;-)

Although I can see how you thought it might be a kitted out FC

http://209.132.49.149/images-large/1...r32_gt-r-1.jpg

rxracer77

being that i was just over there rotortuner is 100%
cool vid show me some snow i will show you some drifting
At night out on the freeways in mn yeeee haaaaaaaa alittle scarry

speedjw

I read this thread because I thought it was pretty funny. But do you actually think that drifting is the fastest way through a corner????? You are sadly mistaken.

Has anybody read, Drive to Win, or Bondurant's Handbook on Race Driving, or Skip Barber's book??? In these books, written by some of the better racers or mechanics of our time, they never mention the need to drift a car through a corner, to reach maximum grip.

Maybe if your a rally driver........

But, hey, its fun, so we do it anyway, right? But if you think its fast, your an idiot.

Silkworm

Speedjw,

Good call.

PaulC

crossbar17

whats a drifter???

RETed

You do realize that InitialD is a cartoon!

I, myself, find the FC a real pain in the *** the drift very nicely.&nbsp What works against the FC is the inherent balance of the chassis (i.e. very close to 50/50 stock).&nbsp The DTSS is a royal pain in the *** that kills any really smooth (full lock) drifting attempts; yes, the DTSS eliminators really do help.&nbsp Most FC's have already blown out their LSD's; LSD's dying at 30k-50k miles is not uncommon.&nbsp The FC is also a bit on the heavier side, which makes counter corrections a real skill.

You're probably wondering why I'm saying all of this?&nbsp Cause my other car is a Hachi...



-Ted

RETed

It's been a popular "past time" for Japan enthusiasts to take their cars up winding mountain roads and produce (wild) power oversteer displays of skill.&nbsp It usually involves "tossing" a vehicle into a turn and controlled use of countersteering and throttle control to keep the car from crashing.&nbsp When done "properly" it is pretty impressive to say the least...



-Ted

RevHigh758

I agree with you totally. FC is NOT the easiest car to drift in. I believe it's one of the most challenging car to drift in. 86 has got to be the easiest

SpeedRacer

You are correct, drifting is NOT the fastest way through a corner. And actually I am currently reading Skip Barbers Book, it is a GREAT read. I have also read "drive to win". Another highly recommended book, not about drifting, but about suspension, is "How to make your Car Handle" and I can't remember the authors name off hand.

Jerk_Racer

An AE86 has to be one of the easiest to drift? Not really. Fun to drive: yes. Fun to slide in: yes. Do I wish that SoCal didn't have most of them: hell yeah. But not that easy to drift. Great car to bone up on your driving skills. If you can drift an AE86 well, then chances are you are a damn good drifter. They lack power and a long wheelbase. Two things that allow for nice smooth slides. These shortcomings make the driver make up for them by being better. Of course there's always the aftermarket that can take care of some of these issues, but they still remain. It's a simple pure car that will make a bad driver look bad and a good one look better. Lightweight, RWD, simple and easy to work on, and reliable as a brick. They don't make 'em like they used to.
I forgot to jump on that remark about drifting being the fastest way around a corner. Technically it isn't. But there are times when you have to change your line around a corner. If you can grip drive as well as drift, then you'll have the advantage if you have to adjust your line around a curve or corner. Just go to an autoX and see what the fastest drivers do. Chances are they don't like to let their tires slip at all.

jerk_racer@hotmail.com

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iTrader: (1)

Isn't a Hachi near perfect 50/50 also?!

Actually it isn't for reasons mentioned, they're just cheap, you can fix them cheap when you wreck.
And they say if you can drift a Hachi you can drift just about anything (im assuming FR layout)

SpeedRacer

In general drifting is not the fastest way around a corner, but there are times slight drifts can help you get around a corner faster. There is a guy in Oregon Region Solo2 who is a mutliple National Champion. He currently drives a Z06 Vette, and his tires DO slip around corners. He doesn't hang out his ***-end or anything, but there IS slip angle. Also there are lots of decreasing radius corners, where trail-braking and allowing your back-end to drift to swing out a little can really help you through a corner.

Snrub

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In some situations it's not overly usefull to drift. Say F1, although tell that to Montoya. It was certainly common practice once upon a time.

Do they not drift in touring cars?

SpeedRacer

The more downforce you have, and more grip in general(sticky, wide tires) make drifitng much more difficult. That is why you don't see Indy or F1 cars drifting around the track(usually). With that much grip your car can't smoothly drift because there is so much adhesion to the track, that when grip is lost the car wants to snap around. In our cars there is plenty of warning when the car starts to lose traction. And after traction is lost there is still a large amount of useable slip angle(laregely in part because road tires have more flexible sidewalls than race tires) to help keep the car in control before a massive slide starts. If you goto an SCCA road race you will see lots of cars slightly drifting. Keep in mind, I don't mean like Japanese drift videos, just a slight 4-wheel drift.

RETed

Uh, not even.

The car is a WAY lighter chassis, which makes car control a little easier (for most people).

On the comment that drifting is not the fastest way around a corner - generally this is true, but I know of one example a slight drift will be faster - decreasing radius turns.



-Ted

Snrub

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I know that, I want to hear from the anti-drifting people.

mazdized

FC will work and you can learn a lot from it. Given equal condition an AE86 cost more than a NA FC I would start out in a FC. However AE 86 and S13-14 are just better car to drift. But on other hand I think S13 will get smoked at gripping by a FC. I will find out how bad at the Button Willow event by Moto from Club 4ag where ther will be drift and grip groups where I will go against all the SR20 happy S13-14 ***** in my S5 open diff. stock GTU.

RETed

Instigatah!

I totally agree - the FC is a better grip platform.


-Ted

mazdized

Well just got back from the Club 4AG event at East loop of Button Willow and the results is what I expected. Taka in his 20V AE86 had the quickest time with 57 sec. then Hubert with R32 Skyline at 58s and than me with high 58s. There were no S13-14 in sight for at least 2 sec. Consider this was a small course the difference was significant. My S5 GTU has header, 2 1/2 inch center muffler, HKS cat back, KYB silver OEM replacement struts, 350Ib. front springs, 275 rear springs, and Kumho Vectoracers. other wise stock parts. Takas car was pumped to **** and with more hp than my 173k stock motor and a AE86 is more than 500Ib. lighter. I don't know what was done to Hubert's Skyline but I am sure it is not stock. I can not think of a place that will have more modified S13-14 than at Club4AG's event but they were no where to be found with in 2 sec. When my car has stickier tires the rear was sloppy when weight was initially shifted.

ForsakenRX7

I've been drifting my car without the rear steer eliminators. Its a real pain in the *** at first. Low speed drifts are impossible. But as soon as I gained the ***** to fly through the turns I could drift it. It also takes a lil feint before hand, not to mention a lil e-brake help.

mazdized

What do you mean low speed drift is impossible?

ForsakenRX7

Moderate speeds, I wish I could tell you how fast but my speedo doesnt work. See, if I try to drift at lower speeds the car just wont slide through. It'll either slide to a halt or try to correct itself ruining the drift. Increasing my speed through the curves I've found that it has enough momentum to make it through not giving the DTSS(I think thats right) a chance to correct the car. I dunno, maybe I dont know what the **** I'm talking about. But I can drift my car without em. I just have to go faster.

Liquid Anarchy

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Anyone other than me notice that this thread is OVER A YEAR OLD??? And it was *ghey* a year ago.

BTW: anyone heard from SpeedRacer? Last I heard he went off to somewhere for a driving school. MIA ever since.

ForsakenRX7

Gay? How is this thread gay? Is there fairies running around with men making love to each other? Is Richard Simmons here? No, no I dont think there is. So **** off. If you dont like a thread go to a new one. If you dont like drifting or the idea of it. Dont do it. just dont come on here and be a lil bitch about ****. Yes, this thread is old. So what? Damn, I get sick of hearing these comments. Thats whats old.

mazdized

Forsaken: I assume low speed is in 1 st gear. The way I think a drift can be initiated by setting the car and lightly tap the brakes on a FC it has to be at least 35 mph or so and when you got the angle you almost have to be back in first to keep it going because you have scrub off some speed. First gear for me is just for donuts and super tight 180 turns. You have a turbo so it is a little better but still you need to be going like 5000 rpm in second gear by the time you are in the drift to get some good sidewayness.