SuprAng

mkiv na's run high 14's or low 15's, i beat one when i was stock... advice for u, dont race off a roll...

DuX

i can't read all there incoherent rambling. ******* they don't know **** about crap stains. Or whatever.

But damn that makes me mad

FC Drifter

****** gimp. just another retard who doesnt know anything about rotaries yet he wants to put them down. spark plugs dont need to be changed that much, and you didnt say it, but i know you think it, rotaries last more than 60k miles too. altough ive never seen 500hp on stock internals, i do know that RX7s dont need that kind of power to be fast. mid 300hp can net mid-high 11s all day long on street tires. a good porting opens up that potential a good bit with the right setup. anyways the only way the supras can make that kind of power is on some huge friggin T88 or something. some massive turbine that wont make boost until 5500rpm. rotaries have the best spool up times around. we can spool turbos you only wish you could run, pus we get boost faster than you can turn your head to watch us go past. jackass.

HALO

Isn't is funny? You have these guys in 5.7 and 3.0 liter cars bad mouthing a 1.3 liter car.

Let the ones that bash another persons car roll up against the wrong one and they will quiet down real fast. I can hardly wait until my friend gets done with his GXL. A Vette or Supra will prove to be a nice meal to feed it.

I try not to dis anyone's choice in cars, except maybe Honda. I even give them props (good quality car that can be made fast), but I still don't like them.

Like the one gentleman said. It is all about who has the biggest bank account.

Damn~Shazaam

I post on supraforums quite a bit, and that happens to be the place where I found the link to this thread.

I just wanted to say that not all supra owners are like what you saw in that FC vs. Ws6 thread. Hell, I doubt more than 30% of those posts are from people that actually have supras. I have a '90t supra, and one of the first cars that I looked at was an FC RX7, and I decided that in this point in my life I needed a little more reliability. I have no doubt that if possible, I will own an RX7 in the future. I just love the boxy 80's style looks of the FC and they handle awesome.

Many times the owners of the 4th gen Supras are a little dickheadish. Scratch that - a lot of the time. They don't even show any respect to the Mk3 supras. When I posted on this board, I didn't see any of that type of disrespect.

And do please sign up and tell those dumb 13 year old F&F fanboys what's up.

Thanks,
Craig Pettit
'90 Supra Turbo Owner

spazzytroy

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high 14's? sounds good to me. Its rumor'd that the person who drives it is a pretty hot juinior chick. If we race ill definately bring my vid camera.

spazzytroy

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Not totaly true. A large bank account helps but, thats not allways the case. Especially in a street race. In that situation, the winner based on 3 factors. 1)how "***** out" the drivers are. 2)who has the better, quicker, smoother shifts. and 3) which car is actually faster.

Take me for an example. I rolled up on a 911TT. I knew he was gonna smoke me but he actually started it so the light turned green, and i got the better launch cause this guy couldnt drive for ****. I was ahead untill 3rd, when the gears were long enough in the 911 that he didnt have to shift so he passed me oh well, T04E here i come

SuprAng

OMG who said rotaries are 1.3 displacement and we have 3.0L, u gotta be an idiot the and u have an rx-7, listen up, when a rotary make one full revolution, that is the equivalent of a 3 cylinders going up and down, so theoretically, u run 4.2 L engines, if they compared to cylinder engines...

secondly, rx-7's with 300 hp DO NOT RUN 11's, they run 13's... dont be ***, talking ****.

motorwise, if u compare generations there is no denying on the mkiii models the 7m-gte will last longer and hold more power on stock/upgraded internals (i think 715whp is the record for the 7m up to date, and the later motor 1jz is about the same, except with forged internals stock), dont even bother comparing the fd's engine to a 2jz, if u do i will show u the vid with the 1000 hp on stock internals...

Handling, Rx-7's are peppy light cars, that'll prolly mash a lot of people cornering... that is their thing, on road courses and high speed runs tho, they cant touch a supra...

Im not one-sided here, just telling it like it is...

zyounker

To bad you have no clue what you are talking about .


First of all, it is classified as a 2.4 liter engine in racing because the poor piston engines can't keep up.

So because the benifit of a rotary is it's small and lightweight design, you rule that out?? sounds a little sad.

The engine is 1.3 lites, just because one of the benifits is that it produces as much power as a 2.4 liter engine does not mean you should discount that.

And RX-7s KILL supras all the time, Supras also KILL RX-7s all the time. THEY ARE IN THE SAME CLASS!!

Who cares if the car can make 1000HP, if it can't make it down the track it still looses.. Until very recently rotaries where much faster then the supras at the DRAG strip. that has changed (in the street class), but i imaging it will be short lived and will go back and forth forever.


Where did all these trolls come from?


-Zach

Vroomaster

"when a rotary make one full revolution, that is the equivalent of a 3 cylinders going up and down, so theoretically, u run 4.2 L engines, if they compared to cylinder engines... "

Hahahaha! LMAO Can't even say anything more excuses!
Ya, it's 4.2 liter, that's whay it says 1.3 liter. Oh NO, they LIED to me!

Oh, an rx7 handles turns much better-both stock

eViLRotor

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This thread is turning into the Supa-Forum thread.
A few too many people talking out of their ***...

Vroomaster

<My supra is cool
<My supra is fast

Ryde _Or_Die

Ok I'll use 2nd gens since we're in the 2nd gen forum. Now the 2nd gen has what, 160hp to the wheels stock? And run about 15 flat. Now doubling the HP will most definitely get them in the 12s, more around mid 12s. How fast is a 300hp supra?

eViLRotor

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Ok, let's not end up being like the supra-forum guys.

All 300 whp cars are going to be decently fast. Whether its a Mustang, Supra, TII or FD. When modded none of these cars are slow POS.

SuprAng

WTF? how bout u tell me how many kms u get to the dollar and i bet i will beat u, or be equal, ... i cant beleive the ignorance coming from rx-7 owners...

Ok then, lets compare alike gens... we will stick to mkiii supra turbo (87-92) and 2nd gen turbo 2's 90~ish...

i will state my FACTs and u state urs...

Mkiii supra - bout 3400lbs, 232 hp and 258 tq, single ct-26 turbo running @ 6 psi. runs high 14's, low 15's

about 210 to the wheels, so dbling the hp to 420 whp, and with supproting mods and good tuning should yield low 12 second runs...

heres the problem, supras make torque, not hp, so when and revving past 8000, the ur not making a lot of torque, a 300 whp rx7, will only make like 240 tq, which will not get u moving in the top end. while a stock supra will make way more torque than that...

I personally do not drag race my supra often, just because it wasnt built for that sorta thing, (neither were 7's BTW), but @ bpu i can run 13's and off a roll can demolish 12/11 second cars.

Btw i get about 450-500 city driving kms on 50 litres of gas...

Vroomaster

1. If were talking about higher performance cars, gas milage isn't, and never has been a consideration.

2. I could buy another rx7 (or 2) for the difference in cost between a supra and an rx7.

3. My 86 Rx7 weighs ~2500, ~160hp & 145(?) to the wheels. This is a low 15 second car- hmm, it's time as MK3, with the mk3 a few yr. design advantage + a TURBO(yes, the 86 is a non-turbo). It's amazing what 900 lbs. will do for a car.

4. I can make the low 15's w/ a rex that redlines at 8k, so the 9k thing is moot.

5. Not moving at top end? That's what rx's do best. At 3800 rpm, the secondary injectors come online, as well as the 5th & 6th ports open, giving a substantial increase in power from 3800-redline.

Maybee I ought to install a turbo and set it for 6psi and then we can compare.

Vroomaster

oh, yeah, let's not forget 1 moving part vs. 40+.

Ryde _Or_Die

What exactly are you calling BPU mods? Intake, full exhaust? TIIs can get low 13s with that as well. Is BPU bolt-ons? Or do you have to add a "+" for an intercooler, "+" for a boost controller?

fastrotaries

shut your pie hole.......No one wants you here.

Vroomaster

ehhh, oops....

fastrotaries

89-91 TII
200 HP @ flywheel
196 lbs/ft TQ @3500 RPMS. How is that not good torque. For HP.
3,003 lbs Turbo model.

With 207 RWHP i ran 13.9's to 14.00 ALL DAY LONG. stock turbo, motor, I/C So i don't see the big deal. It's a ROTARY.....not piston dinosaur. A little boost goes a lot further than on a piston engine.

fastrotaries

Don't compare apples to oranges, by saying that it takes a lot to beat some WS6. with 8G's including the price of the car, you could wax one. Borla exhaust or no borla exhaust. yeah they're quick. but can you really expect differently from a 5.7 liter. it's sad that it doesn't have more power. If it was only as a efficient as a Honda V-tec motor.

SuprAng

hey just so u dont think that all supra owners are ********, check this our : http://www.supraforums.com/showthrea...424#post625123

our little mk3 section is cool. check it out... Anyways

first off, i dunno what the correct terminology for bpu is, but i beleive its just intake exhaust and boost controller... @ about 12 psi i can run 13's (while the turbo is good for about 16, fuel must be raised, bigger injectors or ecu modified, and a good ic)... now as for the top end thing, heres how it works, torque is what gets u moving, hp is how fast ur making ur engine move, i dont remember the calulation, but its like 5252/rpm * tq, i dunno, cant think right now, anyways, basically the further past 5252 rpms ur peak hp is at the less torque u will make, supras make a lot of torque esp. 7m-gte powered ones... now as u progress and move the powerband over into the higher rpms ur torque will not get as high as ur hp. Anyways that is why some supras run 14's with 106 mph, the suck off the line, not only because of the weight (which with all options is about 3600 lbs (like mine )) but because of the irs, camber goes neg on launch, because they are GT cars, not drag cars.

As for reliability, i do agree that rx7's are cheaper to maintain (if u know what ur doing) but supras will outlast them...

aerodynamics: the mkiii does have better aerodynamics than a turbo 2... apparantly the hood scoop u guys have is bad for aerodynamics, i hear the best thing to do is get a reverse scoop... top speeds will be better on a supra because of the wieght (more momentum), torque and aero...

Overall, we do have similar, yet different cars, each can do something better than the other, Ive realised what i want, and a supra suits me perfectly...

Ang

BTW check out SupraLuva's Rx-7 (on the link), shes a beaut.

phaux

Thats one of the most biased statements I've ever heard, u can't simply brand a whole group of people just from what u've seen in a few. By ragging on the supras many of yall are acting like the fools in that thread. Also are there ne sites that have specs on rx7 engines? BPU= basic performance upgrade, intake, exhasut, boost controller and something else I think.