damn this motor!!!!!!!!!
11-23-02, 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by SonicRaT
Strange, even after mine was horribly flooded it was pretty damn loud compared to when it was dead
Strange, even after mine was horribly flooded it was pretty damn loud compared to when it was dead
Lets just say that neither rotor would even move the needle on the compression tester. But I wasnt afraid.. after the push start, it fires everytime now.
Too bad that when it starts with the coolant cap off, it blows coolant like a geyser... Oh well, time for a new motor.
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11-23-02, 05:49 PM
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what do you mean blows it like a geyser? Damn !!! Well I dont have any water in the oil or oil in the water . I got spark on all four plugs and plug wires and from all four coil leads . I got gas no leaks. she smoked like hell whe we first pulled her as she tried to start but that all went away after awhile. the motor did get up too almost 1/4 of the way up the temp gauge. So I know it was tryin to run.
How many times did you have to pull your cars to get them to start? can those apex seals be that bad on a motor with 65000 on it? or did all that gas just kill the oil that gives it the sealing power?
How many times did you have to pull your cars to get them to start? can those apex seals be that bad on a motor with 65000 on it? or did all that gas just kill the oil that gives it the sealing power?
11-23-02, 07:42 PM
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Yeah. Pull the exhaust manifold and lower plugs and use a mirror to examine the rotors and seals. IF the gauge is showing 0 compression I have to wonder if there isnt an internal problem other than flooding. If you see any scars then it is junk.
Also, at this point if it were me, I would pull the upper intake, cap off the open end of the fuel lines from the primary fuelrail, tie the primary injectors to the fuel rail itself, take it off the motor a bit, and crank the car over as if trying to start. Watch for alternating pulses of fuel. Sounds like it might not be getting much or any fuel. Though, you did say it tried to start...
AN engine only needs 3 things to run: fuel, spark, and compression. Thus far, it sounds like you are missing one large item...some motors are just beyond a band aid. IF an engine is this hard to start now, you really have to question what you have inside there. Even if by some chance you did get it going how good will it ever be?
That said it could be a control system problem so continue troubleshooting, but that big fat 0 compression makes me wonder. Even a badly flooded motor will give you 30 or 40...
Also, at this point if it were me, I would pull the upper intake, cap off the open end of the fuel lines from the primary fuelrail, tie the primary injectors to the fuel rail itself, take it off the motor a bit, and crank the car over as if trying to start. Watch for alternating pulses of fuel. Sounds like it might not be getting much or any fuel. Though, you did say it tried to start...
AN engine only needs 3 things to run: fuel, spark, and compression. Thus far, it sounds like you are missing one large item...some motors are just beyond a band aid. IF an engine is this hard to start now, you really have to question what you have inside there. Even if by some chance you did get it going how good will it ever be?
That said it could be a control system problem so continue troubleshooting, but that big fat 0 compression makes me wonder. Even a badly flooded motor will give you 30 or 40...
11-23-02, 08:37 PM
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It wouldnt sputter if there were no fuel...
but, that is why I told him to run that injection test...that will demonstrate what happens when cranking the car to start...
but, that is why I told him to run that injection test...that will demonstrate what happens when cranking the car to start...
11-23-02, 08:45 PM
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It wouldnt sputter if there were no fuel...
but, that is why I told him to run that injection test...that will demonstrate what happens when cranking the car to start...
It wouldnt sputter if there were no fuel...
but, that is why I told him to run that injection test...that will demonstrate what happens when cranking the car to start...
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*edit* I thought he said that the plugs were dry also..
11-23-02, 08:51 PM
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I just emailed the guy I got the motor from and told him to read some of the replys on here so he knows what Im going through . This sucks when I got this car awhile back it had sat for 3 1/2 years flooded and nobody knew how to start it . I was working on this guys pc and saw it and asked if he was selling it . 350.00 later it was mine . I pulled the plugs and egi fuse cranked it over with a jump put in new oil plugs air filter and it started right up and ran good for a little over a year. Then 3 days before I moved here from michigan the rear rotor went lost all compression . So I though I was lucky on finding this motor for 600.00 from Jackson Missouri and this one is worse then mine at least mine would start. And half of it had compression.
11-23-02, 09:00 PM
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okay you all are getting the wrong ideas on this . When I first tried to start it it flooded . So I flipped my kill switch and pulled the plugs blew out the gas and tried again still no start just puffs a smoke out the exhaust . Of coarse after tryin for awhile you can smeel gas badly and then I saw it drippin outh were theheader and cat meet. So I pulled the plugs again and blew it out at least tried. Also tried some mix of ATF and oil to get some comp back in it. Because it had none front or rear rotor. SO after asking everyone on here I pulled it all over the neightbor hood here and It smoked very badly at first then no smoke anymore. so all the atf oil **** was gone. The motor did get up to 1/4 temp on the gauge so I know it was getting gas and tryin to start . The plugs were not wet like when it was flooded. nor fouled either. I checked spark all four coil wires are good and sparkin fine. got good gas checked all lines and hoses . even got a 150.00 mac comp tester but nothin no compression at all no needle movment. Either the apex seals are totally gone I think or Im going crazyLOL
I mean how far do you have to pull this thing to get it to have some kinda compression to start?
I mean how far do you have to pull this thing to get it to have some kinda compression to start?
11-23-02, 09:02 PM
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well the way it is going I will have my money back and will be looking for another motor cause I cant aford to ship this bitch again it cost me 867.00 to ship it here from michigan
11-23-02, 09:19 PM
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yep got it for 603.00 shipped to my door . suposidly has 60-65000 on it and ran great when pulled . from a car that was tboned in the drivers door. I was told it had ATF put in it and turned over by hand every week so the apex seals would not stick. it sat in this guys garage for a little under a year and the guy I got it from bought it and had it for 2 moths then sold it to me . I put it in my basement till I had the time to do th eswap and here I am a wors e off motor then what I had !!!!
There was noway to tell if it had and compression unless I put it in a turned it over with the starter at least a good reading .
There was noway to tell if it had and compression unless I put it in a turned it over with the starter at least a good reading .
11-23-02, 09:44 PM
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What plug are you putting the compression tester in, also, is your battery fully charged while you're cranking away on it? Also, do you have the accelerator FULLY pressed? Did you try my idea of opening the AFM flapper via your hand slightly while trying to start it?
11-23-02, 09:48 PM
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the top plugs trailing . yes throttle is fully open and no havent done the efm yet it got dark on me here . Im going out to have a few drinks and relaix . will let ya all know tomorrow what I find out thanks again everyone
11-23-02, 09:53 PM
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Ahh damnit now you got me all anxious again and you're leaving it till tomorrow! All you have to do is take off the top of the airbox and take the filter out and press it open a little as someone cranks! Just one last try! 
All you have to do is take off the top of the airbox and take the filter out and press it open a little as someone cranks! Just one last try!
11-23-02, 10:04 PM
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i dunno man. i'd either bitch that guy out and get my money back or make him fix it. If I were you, i just would have gotten a reman engine from the getgo after that first motor blew. Sure its a bit more expensive, but it's just like having a brand new engine.
11-23-02, 10:31 PM
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well after what this piece of **** of mine put me thru,the only remedy for these ******* cars are a good ole v-8 or a damn sledge hammer,ive had my t2 for three yrs and drove it 3mos out of that time! i bought it for $2700 it was a sharp car ran good all with the exception of hard to start after warm?2 1/2 mos into it the tranny locks up for no reason(mildly cruisin'!)$500,it sat for 3mos then i got it goin again,drove it for a wk,then it blew a rear apex,so i bought a motor off the net the so called 30k j-spec(i converted a 91 to 87 specs(for a few more hp)added down pipe and all and fcd(in all about $1500)did a few dress up things while gettin the motor in u know a 1k set wheels/tires ect ect,ok cool,got it all in and all it would do when fired up is have gas drippin out between down pipe/mid pipe! flood ect ect,yet compression seemed great all the way round,had 500 mechanics under the hood nobody could figure out anything but a cpl costly attempts such as airflow meters ect ect!,then a yr1/2 later again someone finds out its pumpin oil into inter cooler(i don't know seals went bad while sitting?)so i said **** that motor(excuse my french,little stressed!)so i said hell with it,bought another motor(by so called done this many times rebuilder!)and by the looks of it i would have to tear it down and dbl check to see if its right!,long story short $6000 into it its still out back just lookin pretty not running!,its amazing people defend these things like a harley!u see stickers id rather push it than?and they probably will?!no offense,but ive heard horror story after horror story on these motors!,don't get me wrong i love the car,but the motors scare the hell out of me!,i just wish someone laid out a manual or book of start to finish v/8 conversions as so many would like to attempt(as some what of a motor head as my self would)but are afraid of that costly trial/error crap!,if anyone knows of any truly helpful ideas please let me know!,im not looking for smart comments due to my little letter here,sorry ive been thru hell with car and don't want beat by it anymore! thanks jim!
11-23-02, 10:58 PM
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well after what this piece of **** of mine put me thru,the only remedy for these ******* cars are a good ole v-8 or a damn sledge hammer,ive had my t2 for three yrs and drove it 3mos out of that time! i bought it for $2700 it was a sharp car ran good all with the exception of hard to start after warm?2 1/2 mos into it the tranny locks up for no reason(mildly cruisin'!)$500,it sat for 3mos then i got it goin again,drove it for a wk,then it blew a rear apex,so i bought a motor off the net the so called 30k j-spec(i converted a 91 to 87 specs(for a few more hp)added down pipe and all and fcd(in all about $1500)did a few dress up things while gettin the motor in u know a 1k set wheels/tires ect ect,ok cool,got it all in and all it would do when fired up is have gas drippin out between down pipe/mid pipe! flood ect ect,yet compression seemed great all the way round,had 500 mechanics under the hood nobody could figure out anything but a cpl costly attempts such as airflow meters ect ect!,then a yr1/2 later again someone finds out its pumpin oil into inter cooler(i don't know seals went bad while sitting?)so i said **** that motor(excuse my french,little stressed!)so i said hell with it,bought another motor(by so called done this many times rebuilder!)and by the looks of it i would have to tear it down and dbl check to see if its right!,long story short $6000 into it its still out back just lookin pretty not running!,its amazing people defend these things like a harley!u see stickers id rather push it than?and they probably will?!no offense,but ive heard horror story after horror story on these motors!,don't get me wrong i love the car,but the motors scare the hell out of me!,i just wish someone laid out a manual or book of start to finish v/8 conversions as so many would like to attempt(as some what of a motor head as my self would)but are afraid of that costly trial/error crap!,if anyone knows of any truly helpful ideas please let me know!,im not looking for smart comments due to my little letter here,sorry ive been thru hell with car and don't want beat by it anymore! thanks jim!
well after what this piece of **** of mine put me thru,the only remedy for these ******* cars are a good ole v-8 or a damn sledge hammer,ive had my t2 for three yrs and drove it 3mos out of that time! i bought it for $2700 it was a sharp car ran good all with the exception of hard to start after warm?2 1/2 mos into it the tranny locks up for no reason(mildly cruisin'!)$500,it sat for 3mos then i got it goin again,drove it for a wk,then it blew a rear apex,so i bought a motor off the net the so called 30k j-spec(i converted a 91 to 87 specs(for a few more hp)added down pipe and all and fcd(in all about $1500)did a few dress up things while gettin the motor in u know a 1k set wheels/tires ect ect,ok cool,got it all in and all it would do when fired up is have gas drippin out between down pipe/mid pipe! flood ect ect,yet compression seemed great all the way round,had 500 mechanics under the hood nobody could figure out anything but a cpl costly attempts such as airflow meters ect ect!,then a yr1/2 later again someone finds out its pumpin oil into inter cooler(i don't know seals went bad while sitting?)so i said **** that motor(excuse my french,little stressed!)so i said hell with it,bought another motor(by so called done this many times rebuilder!)and by the looks of it i would have to tear it down and dbl check to see if its right!,long story short $6000 into it its still out back just lookin pretty not running!,its amazing people defend these things like a harley!u see stickers id rather push it than?and they probably will?!no offense,but ive heard horror story after horror story on these motors!,don't get me wrong i love the car,but the motors scare the hell out of me!,i just wish someone laid out a manual or book of start to finish v/8 conversions as so many would like to attempt(as some what of a motor head as my self would)but are afraid of that costly trial/error crap!,if anyone knows of any truly helpful ideas please let me know!,im not looking for smart comments due to my little letter here,sorry ive been thru hell with car and don't want beat by it anymore! thanks jim!
11-26-02, 09:50 AM
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I havent done anything with my car for a few days . I just didnt want to look at it after all Im going through with it not starting and no compression .