yes you do Roy

 

i just thought of something that may work to keep theives from taking your stuff inside your ride...well with all this talk about switches..what if you wired a switch behind your head-unit and under your amp and speakers..so that basically if anyof it is taken out it triggers the switch...hook this switch up to a couple cans of mace..that way if anything in your car gets taken out when you dont want it to be taken out..the switch triggers the mace to go off and..i bet the average street theif will not leave with much...maybe i patent this idea and market it for sales..mace doesnt kill anyone but it sure makes you not want to be where it is!!

 

Until you get sued, because you installed something that could hurt someone.

and you will get sued with mace in the car... (well alone the fail safe against it triggering in an accident or anything else).

 

mace doesnt cause nay permanent damage so why could someone get sued...if someone is breaking into my house i can spray them with mace and not get sued right?

 

If you mace someone breaking into your house, and there is no sign of physical threat against you (he or she is not holding you at bay with a knife or gun) you can get sued as well as arrested for assault against the person if you mace them.

So, yes maceing someone just because they are un-invited in your vehicle, can get you arrested and sued, even if you warn them of the potential maceing.

 

jesus christ...i always thought if someone broke into your house you could shoot them dead..no questions asked

 

its your property

 

Ice is right.. In Cali if someone just walks into your house then the only crime they are commiting is tresspassing and that's ONLY if you tell them to leave and they dont' or you have a no trespassing sign posted.

You are bound by the same laws as the police in regards to use of force. You can use reasonable force to envoke an arrest or to stop an action. Here are some examples from real life.

A 14 yo kid is home alone at night. There is a knock at the door so the kid goes to the door and sees a HUGE biker on the other side. The kid gets scared and won't answer the door. In fact he goes and grabs his Dad's gun. The biker thinking nobody is home starts pounding down the door trying to break in. The kid freaks out and shoots through the door killing the perp. The kid was in fear for his life and it's reasonable that without a firearm the kid could have come to great bodily harm. No chargers were pressed.

Now a guy works late night at his shop out in a industrial area. For saftey he carries a handgun with him. While he is working someone breaks into the shop. The guy pulls the handgun out and yells freeze. The perp runs away from him. He chases after him and shoots warning shots into the air. Well one of the bullets hits a window high above and a huge shard of glass falls, hits the perp and kills him. The guy is charged with manslaughter because he used unreasonable force.

Unless you are in fear for your life of the life of another you can NOT use deadly force in California. Of course these laws change in different States.. Texas is pretty hardcore for killing bad guys.

You can also only use reaonable force to stop an action. What is reasonable force? Are you a blackbelt in Akido? If yes then you have to prove there is a reason why you had to shoot someone before you attemted a lesser force.

While killing a burglar sounds so tempting.. I hate theifs!! it's really not practical. There are too many lawyers who abuse the tort laws and we are in serious need of reform but there is big money in attorneys suing insurance companies so it will be very hard to get any sort of change.

Now if someone breaks into you house has a knife and says I am going to kill you. Then hell.. open up.. I would dump my 12 gauge into him. Yeah he "only" has a knife but ask any cop. A skilled person with a knife is usualy more deadly than a novice with a handgun. It only takes something like 2 seconds for a pro with a knife to kill someone from 15 feet away. At least that's what they taught us in the adademy.

 

all this talk about legality..... if your doors are locked, and they brake in, and your "can of mace" sprays them, how the hell am i gonna get in trouble. my car took action against the theif, to protect its life, after it was threatened with the break in.

my idea is to just to do the fuel pump kill switch, any dumb *** rober will have no clue what to do and give up. As for the stereo, find a creative way to hide it i guess.... i.e. tint

 

i might have to think of that fuel pump switch idea.. maybe have a hidden button somewhere....but i didnt read it thourouhly, but is it a toggle flip switch or should a push down switch be used to look less fishy?

i would maybe have it mocked as like a light switch... *shrug ...make a little word decal and all..make it look like it belonged there

 

I have had quite a bit of training in Aikido and Jujitsu. Most of Jujitsu would be considered resonable force considering most of the time you lock a limb and use it to throw the perp. Aikido is used for locks and breaks, so if you are in a bar and get in a pretty bad fight and during the fight you twist the guys arm strike it and break half the bones in his arm it would be considered excessive force, if you used Jujitsu and instead used his punch to throw him accross the bar it would be considered self defense as would if the guy lunged with a knife you could do what ever you had to to eliminate the threat and nothing more.

 

if someone knocks on your door and you get scared and shoot through the door and hit the person...im sure you are in the wrong...but the other guy is using the term...deadly force...macing someone who has forced themselves inside of your property is not using deadly force...it is using force as a deterrant( as mace is specifically designed for in its definitions of proper use). also known as self defense.

as far as icemarks comments...im sure that he is right( cuz he always is..thats why i love and respect his opinions) and i also see the point being as it is a booby trap type scenario..and there are laws that go hand in hand with people breaking into your property and getting hurt inside of your own domain..they get hurt and sue you for negligent behavior and that kind of thing..but..if a guy breaks into my car he is showing unreasonable force to have gotten into my ride...so if he gets maced while he has unreasonably forced himself into my property..number one i did not exude deadly force to deter him from continuing to unreasonably force himself upon my property...i only have shown deterring force to prevent him from further continuing to force himself upon my rights and property..my inalienable rights to the pursuit of life liberty and happiness. cuz im not happy when a person breaks into my car and takes my ****..as i sit here it pisses me off to think i could be in the wrong for trying to protect my inalinable rights by using non-lethal force to prevent the further molestation of my property...but at the same time..i sit here and do realize that theives have many loopholes and when you take assertive pro-action to prevent this type of behavior..you also put yourself in a greater risk type position..by doing so because you have placed a mechanism that is not congruent with the normal function of a vehicle that is registered and insured through state laws to be used following the states guidelines..in laymens terms i guess a mace bomb/theft deterrent does not comply with what the government considers to be transportation friendly/benificial mechanism, so if it is used it will be automatically considered as negligent behavior on the part of the person that installs it. but given the fact that if you bust my window and sit inside of my car and begin to remove my property...then you get maced, your not dead, and have aquired no physical damage to your person to prevent you from continuing your molestation of another mans property..you can still continue to take my **** if you feel compelled to, i have not introduced any type of trauma unto your person. i just think 9 out of 10 people will decide they no longer feel compelled to assert themselves as strongly as they did when they vandalized my property by busting my window. statistically speaking(unless you are a lawyer turned theif or have a strange allergic reaction resulting in death) you will act in a way that mace is provided for..youll get the **** out..collect your marbles..and go home without calling the cops to tell them" i was trying to break into joe blows car..and i got maced...i want to file charges..so i can further follow up in a civil manner against joe blow, and sue him for negligent and careless property management" but as sure as i used the words statistially speeking..im sure one day somewhere, someone, will be able to use this against you. cuz that is the american way..while it may be crooked..it is, after all, entreprenuarial(spell check?) whether right or wrong...in a civil manner..in america it is your god given and constitutional right to be able to sue anyone...anytime..for ANY reason..no matter what!! thats just the way it is..

hell the coast guard here in florida maced many swimming cubans/haitians in the atlantic ocean, whilst the swimmers never exercised any deadly force against the coast guard...the coast guard was within every right(according to the government) to utilize this non-lethal, deterring, force against them..because they determined the swimmers to be infringing on millions of americans inalienable rights..by breaching our shores/property...so i ask you now as humble motorabilia enthusiasts and property owners united......what is the difference?

the opinions expressed in this post are not necisarily that of the poster or that of the entity which hosts the free speach board unto which they are posted upon.( i tried to put this in fine print but it wouldnt work)

enjoy your ride..protect your family and property..and never go pistons!!

thank you for your time

 

after proofreading i noticed icemarks failsafe in an accident comment...very good point but when you are in your car your mace bomb system has no reason to be in use..so you simpy un activate it when in everyday use..it would only be effective and activated when the car is parked, locked etc...by a simple switch..much like the valet type stuff in everyday clifford and such type alarm/anti theft..deterent systems. the actual mace bomb thing is for all intents and purposes..a split second joke type idea..that i posted..but the priciples and ideas as to why it is thought by one to be illegal and harmful...and not by another...well that is just a discussion..that is very real..but at the same time i still try to present it lightheartedly..cuz nowadays most people dont even talk to their own neighbors anymore..cuz everyone in our world is very uptight..with their own reasons to be that way..i just choose to try and have some fun with life..make a person laugh when they didnt expect to..and maybe lighten up a strangers day if only for a second...spread some laughter which equals spreading a little happiness among the masses. but at the same time..things are very real these days..makes it harder to laugh at yourself than it used to be.

 

fuel pump kill switch and don't park it in the hood!

 

****, make sure you save all your reciepts to the upgrades you've made, let them steal it and COLLECT !!

 

Theres more cars out there.

 

GOD!!! i heard that! SO MUCH ******* bullshit....
some thief tried breaking in a house, fell thru the sunroof, injured self, and then sued the house owners..........

people get fat eating mcdonalds, sued them too

the whole country is a **** hole........

 

There are tons of things to wire switches into...

You could run a switch off the ECU that grounds the current from the OMP wires... then the car will be in limp mode and not even run.

--Gary

 

I don't know how well this will work, but couldn't you do the whole fuel pump cut thing, but here's how to try and avoid it. Rig up some sort of remote relay (for a Viper Alarm system for example) and use one of the programable channels on the remote to turn the fuel pump on/off. I don't think most of us will be holding or touching or playing with our keys while we drive. Or maybe if you hide the button really really well? Like in the little tray next to the cigerette lighter? Or better yet, make one of your vents removable so you can hide a button in a vent. And with IceMarks push button starter walkthrough... well then you'll have lots of buttons and switches in your car! might confuse the theif and he might just take the stereo or whatever, which is better than replacing the whole car itself IMO.

 

What about going to a standalone ECU that comes with a hand controller so that your car won't start until you punch in a six digit PIN number? I'm wondering how effective that is, seeing as how it's one of the features on my WOLF.

 

for those of us with cross drilled brakes a simple padlock through the rotors stops the wheel being rotated

 

This works... we had this kind of idea installed in our 280zx when we bought it. The car had no ignition cylinder... just a hole where it should be. The guy we bought it from had wired in a boat key connection where it had 2 holes in the base and a key with 2 metal prongs that would complete the circuit... So you had to complete the connection(which was hidden behind the cig. lighter) which was like turning the key to the on position and then press the button for the headlight spray nozzle to start it. I had to explain this process to the guy at sears when I went to get new tires on it... nobody was going to steal it short of hot wireing it.

 

http://www.stickdeath.com/2002auto.html

 

Pager alarm, KIll switch, a BAT and Knife, Good running shoes,

 

if its full prove or close to it ill get one!