Cold Air intake for les than check point's....
06-30-03, 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by 1987RX7guy
Ok how the **** does this thread wher I am trying to help you all out turn into a debate about intake temps. This is for interest in the intake. I will post redults of my setup when I am done and have a finished product. All of you that are arguing about my product STFU you have no and I mean NO ******* clue as to what I am making at all. I may change the design or use a different material or whatever. But I want to make this **** affordable and worth while to me and you. Stop bullshitting about intake temps and theory. ONLY an air intake temp GUAGE will give PROOF of any ******* thing good or bad about my intake. Enough! You all are idiots talking about a product that is still in its early stages of development and you have only the basics specs on. Get the hell out of my thread and make another one to debate this for the next two weeks. Leave this thread alone and clear or **** for the people that actually want something to come about. Oh and I am not repeat NOT going to a dyno. I will not ******* drive 3 hours to another CITY only to spend another 100 or so dollars on repeated runs with different setups. Like I said before I will test it on the road and provide all the facts you want then but I am not spending ******* 300 dollars to get numbers. Now I begin to understand why all the guys on here don't make products you(the arguers of this thread that hijacked it) are ******* whinning bitches. I will do my best but going to such lengths as to drove to a different city and taking off time from school and work is idiotic. You want the numbers pay more!
Ok how the **** does this thread wher I am trying to help you all out turn into a debate about intake temps. This is for interest in the intake. I will post redults of my setup when I am done and have a finished product. All of you that are arguing about my product STFU you have no and I mean NO ******* clue as to what I am making at all. I may change the design or use a different material or whatever. But I want to make this **** affordable and worth while to me and you. Stop bullshitting about intake temps and theory. ONLY an air intake temp GUAGE will give PROOF of any ******* thing good or bad about my intake. Enough! You all are idiots talking about a product that is still in its early stages of development and you have only the basics specs on. Get the hell out of my thread and make another one to debate this for the next two weeks. Leave this thread alone and clear or **** for the people that actually want something to come about. Oh and I am not repeat NOT going to a dyno. I will not ******* drive 3 hours to another CITY only to spend another 100 or so dollars on repeated runs with different setups. Like I said before I will test it on the road and provide all the facts you want then but I am not spending ******* 300 dollars to get numbers. Now I begin to understand why all the guys on here don't make products you(the arguers of this thread that hijacked it) are ******* whinning bitches. I will do my best but going to such lengths as to drove to a different city and taking off time from school and work is idiotic. You want the numbers pay more!
06-30-03, 09:47 PM
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Ok, to stop all the confusion about temps and everything (untill rx7guy goes and does his test), i have the checkpoint intake installed, and i can say that it is not in the engine bay more than about 5 inches... and it is not in the line of air coming out of the radiator, and it is sheided on two sides by the frame and the radiator rails... so i really dont think that any sort of temp increase is going to occur over that 5 inch run...
the fact of the matter is, that the intake is going to be pulling air from the outside of the car, and by the time it gets to the afm its going to be roughly the same temp as when it was pulled in, at which point the afm will mesure the temperature, and the ecu will respond accordingly with the amount of fuel for that air density
all and all the checkpoint intake (and the one thats being produced by rx7guy) are going to have a two fold benefit, first, they will have cone air filters which flow better than the stock air filter, secondly they will be getting ouside air like car was origionaly designed to do
and as far as the post before saying something about colder air doesnt mean more power... could you please explain your logic... because colder air is denser air, and with a constant amount of displacement in the engine, denser air means more oxygen, to which the ecu responds with more fuel, which means more power
as far as plastic mounting parts being brittle at colder temps, the checkpoint mounting braket is made of metal, so thats not an issue, and also i highly doubt that pulling outside air temps into the engine could possibly be bad, considering the car is made to run in a very wide range of temperatures
i think its very cool that rx7guy is doing this, and if he had about a month ago maybe i would have bought his instead of checkpoints...
the fact of the matter is, that the intake is going to be pulling air from the outside of the car, and by the time it gets to the afm its going to be roughly the same temp as when it was pulled in, at which point the afm will mesure the temperature, and the ecu will respond accordingly with the amount of fuel for that air density
all and all the checkpoint intake (and the one thats being produced by rx7guy) are going to have a two fold benefit, first, they will have cone air filters which flow better than the stock air filter, secondly they will be getting ouside air like car was origionaly designed to do
and as far as the post before saying something about colder air doesnt mean more power... could you please explain your logic... because colder air is denser air, and with a constant amount of displacement in the engine, denser air means more oxygen, to which the ecu responds with more fuel, which means more power
as far as plastic mounting parts being brittle at colder temps, the checkpoint mounting braket is made of metal, so thats not an issue, and also i highly doubt that pulling outside air temps into the engine could possibly be bad, considering the car is made to run in a very wide range of temperatures
i think its very cool that rx7guy is doing this, and if he had about a month ago maybe i would have bought his instead of checkpoints...
06-30-03, 10:16 PM
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what a salesman, ill take 18!
what a salesman, ill take 18!
Look you don't want it fine but I said I would test the actuall cooling effect of my FINISHED product when I am DONE I asked about what tests you want me to do. I am already spending money on this thing and parts to test with. you want to do that for me? I don't like people flamming my name, that of my company, or that of my associates and or products without proof of bad test results. I don't care if you all don't think it will work because until I am DONE you all nor do I KNOW anything of its true TRUE performance gains IF any. You want to go spend 5 dollars on an adapter and 15 on a filter GO RIGHT AHEAD. Do you all know how much Mandrell bends cost? check out how much I am spending you will not see any CHEAP prices at all. I am taking the time out of my schedule of school and work to do this for you all and ME. If no one buys one then I will be happy with mine and that will be the end of it. But I will not DEAL with customers that want me to spend more money than the product will cost so they can see how much HP they gain. Cooler intake temps is the gain I want from my product as IT IS called a COLD AIR INTAKE not a HOW MANY HP for 5 dollars at the cheapest possible with the vendor not having any profit. I have things I WANT too you know. I need to pay my bills my repairs. So does my partner and so will all our other employees. I can't sell it to you at COST I need to make profit or else business doesn't work AT ALL. You want to take a month to do it yourself fine then but don't mess it up for the people that actually want more options and products for the FC and other RX-7's. Like I have said many and many more times there is no NO NO dyno withing a 150 mile radius of my city. That is entirely too much to spend on gas costs and dyno time. You want that I will hick up the price. I am already absorbing the cost of learning to weld YES I AM LEARNING TO WELD and buying a ******* welder so I can do it with the love that I and all of you have for our cars not like some grease monkey at some shop would do it. I am spending time to purchase sensore and guages to monitor intake temperatures. I am also putting my god damned name and that of the other people at AZ on the line. I don't think I am going to make a shitty product but I can't handle ALL or your requests however justified they are. I am 19 and my partner is in his mid 20's we can't afford to do ALL the testing. Now if someone would like to help us out with free dyno time then I may consider going into San Antonio or Dallas for testing. But I am not paying that much cash out of pocket for you all to just go "Umm I don't have cash right now. Maybe in a month" talk to all the vendors out there talk to any businessperson they will not waiste cash if the end result is maybe next week. I have spoken to some other people making products for the FC on this Forum and they all tell me the same thing. The people that are always talking about buying one maybe even two when they are available always disappear when the product is ready. I can't take this peice of crap BS from anyone. I am trying to run a business not a charrity.
In the end I am goint ahead with the product if not for you all then for the members of AZ that will atleast appreciate the product and use it.
For all that are interested PM me I will no longer post in this thread about the product. Upon completing of the prototype I WILL test it in the manor and fashion I originally stated. If you have any other requests(reasonable ones) please send them to me via a PM. I will be creating an E-mail account for AZ soon and other ways to contact me or my associates. I have also lowered the price of the product further since I gave those original clients their quotes so if you want to know the new price of the product PM me again. I also ask thost of you that are genuinly interested and SERIOUS about buying one after test results and pictures are provided send me Your: Name(1st and last), Interest in group buy(yes/no), and any requests for further testing will be lookied into and if they are practical enough I will have my associates try the tests on all three intake setups I originally mentioned.
Santiago
PS- I apologize for being an *** HOLE but I don't like people talking BS about something they don't know or have. I hope you all will be happy with the final result of AZ-Tech Rotary's products in the future and will be return buyers and refer friends to us. Thankyou.
06-30-03, 10:34 PM
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Ok fellas,
www.AZ-Tech_Rotary@iluvmyrx7.com is the account for you to send your comments, questions and oppinions to. I will try to monitor it and resond quickly to your mails. Thankyou
www.AZ-Tech_Rotary@iluvmyrx7.com is the account for you to send your comments, questions and oppinions to. I will try to monitor it and resond quickly to your mails. Thankyou
06-30-03, 10:50 PM
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I see that you're probably building this for NA cars. Have you been able to do any research on fitment in an NA vs. Turbo and S4 vs S5 chassis?
How about with an FMIC
How about with an FMIC
06-30-03, 11:58 PM
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Do you want an award for being a jackass?
Like the other guy said, great salesmen.
Welcome to the RX-7 club, a public forum where people debate things. A cold air intake debate WOULD help you, so I don't get why you're being ******** and telling us to "get off your thread" like you're throwing us out of your house. Get a life.
Also, I DO have an intake temp GAUGE, with logging. And I wasn't planning on buying your intake. This thread subject doesn't say "I am selling intakes" it just says intake for less. That could mean instructions on building your own. Perhaps you should use the subject line for the actual SUBJECT of ****your**** thread. Don't forget to take your ball and go home
Like the other guy said, great salesmen.
Welcome to the RX-7 club, a public forum where people debate things. A cold air intake debate WOULD help you, so I don't get why you're being ******** and telling us to "get off your thread" like you're throwing us out of your house. Get a life.
Also, I DO have an intake temp GAUGE, with logging. And I wasn't planning on buying your intake. This thread subject doesn't say "I am selling intakes" it just says intake for less. That could mean instructions on building your own. Perhaps you should use the subject line for the actual SUBJECT of ****your**** thread. Don't forget to take your ball and go home
07-01-03, 12:19 AM
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Look guys, First I am sorry I was an *** but I don't need people arguing about something that is not done yet. IMO this intake should and probably will do its job. I appreciate those people whcich gave support and have shown interest. But honestly I get pissed when people talk about something they don't know about. Second I may not be the most knowledgable guy out here and I know that I am nowhere near close to getting there. BUT I am genuinly trying to help the community of 7's with affordable products with good craftsmanship. I really want to apologize to you ALL even the ones that also were at fault. I hope you all don not frown upon me or my company in the future. I will continue with the project and go ahead with all my previous plans but please for gods sake don't say anything GOOD or BAD without undeniable proof either way. It really gets to me when people talke about something they personaly haven't tested or used. ERAUMAZDA and Piranha don't really know anything about my product although they probably know about the theory of intake and all that. But please refrain from making posts like those in a thread that is meant for gathering interest from serious buyers.
ugh
Enough of my rant.
Santiago
The E-mail account is in my sig. Thanks for reading.
Sorry.
07-01-03, 12:53 AM
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You post in every forum about your Intake design. I even seen your post in Teamfc3s.com. You are the one who asked for ideas and its up for critizism. Like Piranha said, its the Rx-7 forum and there will be debate. Its almost like you made a thread to only post your updates and thats it.
I strongly Agree that you must look at Pros and as well as Cons. A person up north can say yeah a cold air intake is going to suck up cold air. However, a person down south may say...yeah its just going to suck up more hot air.
My point is, debating helps you out. It gives you an option of what people want and many peoples views. If you want to be critical here, you are offering something thats not made yet to a lot of people. Then you turn around and say we don't know what your doing. I support you all the way and you are taking the issues as destructive critizism when it is not.
Yeah I did say DYNO it. Do you have to dyno no. That doesn't mean you have to go on a rage about how you are not going to drive 3 hours to get a dyno. Hell you could ask one of the members to dyno it for you. It only helps you. I have been working with aircrafts for many years. Inlet tempature is critical as well as EGT. The temp gauge will show you a lot, but a dyno can tell you if its more free flowing.
I am not tring to steer customers away. I am saying noting is perfect and you have to realize that. Good luck. Stop being so serious and prove what ever you disagree with wrong.
I strongly Agree that you must look at Pros and as well as Cons. A person up north can say yeah a cold air intake is going to suck up cold air. However, a person down south may say...yeah its just going to suck up more hot air.
My point is, debating helps you out. It gives you an option of what people want and many peoples views. If you want to be critical here, you are offering something thats not made yet to a lot of people. Then you turn around and say we don't know what your doing. I support you all the way and you are taking the issues as destructive critizism when it is not.
Yeah I did say DYNO it. Do you have to dyno no. That doesn't mean you have to go on a rage about how you are not going to drive 3 hours to get a dyno. Hell you could ask one of the members to dyno it for you. It only helps you. I have been working with aircrafts for many years. Inlet tempature is critical as well as EGT. The temp gauge will show you a lot, but a dyno can tell you if its more free flowing.
I am not tring to steer customers away. I am saying noting is perfect and you have to realize that. Good luck. Stop being so serious and prove what ever you disagree with wrong.
07-01-03, 04:39 AM
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ERAUMAZDA, you do realise he's talking about a pipe from the AFM to the front of the car with a filter on the end right? It's not the pipe from the AFM to the TB. All your arguing about the engine bay being too hot for this pipe is nonsense. It's barely even in the engine bay. Plus, the fact that the engine bay's so hot is why you'd use a cold-air intake in the first place!
As for testing, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that if you're drawing in ambient air that's absolutely guaranteed to be cooler than the air in the engine bay, the car will make more power. This has been known for decades and proven countless times. Obviously the hotter the climate the smaller the improvement, but it's still always hotter in the engine bay that outside it.
I'm not sure what your beef is, but as long as it's a quality product I can't see any reason why it won't work exactly like all other cold-air intakes. I wouldn't buy one myself, but that's because I make that sort of stuff myself.
As for testing, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that if you're drawing in ambient air that's absolutely guaranteed to be cooler than the air in the engine bay, the car will make more power. This has been known for decades and proven countless times. Obviously the hotter the climate the smaller the improvement, but it's still always hotter in the engine bay that outside it.
I'm not sure what your beef is, but as long as it's a quality product I can't see any reason why it won't work exactly like all other cold-air intakes. I wouldn't buy one myself, but that's because I make that sort of stuff myself.
07-01-03, 09:04 AM
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Well that was fun. Thread closed. Please remember that any future "For Sale" topics should be posted in the proper "For Sale" forum.
Another note: as a vendor, be prepared to take and handle criticism.
Another note: as a vendor, be prepared to take and handle criticism.
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