Clutch Completly gone, any permanant damage
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Clutch Completly gone, any permanant damage
Hello,
I was cruising around tonight, and my clutch completly stopped engaging the flywheel. Now I have known for some time that the clutch was on its way out and really shouldn't of been driving, but I thought, whats the worst that could happen...
well I found out.
Basically to describe what happened a bit better, when slowing down there was no mechanical braking, as soon as I took my foot off the accelerator, the engine would drop to idle. When I parked, I tested it by putting the car in gear and let the clutch out.. no effect whatso ever.. car idled normally
So I though, ok, I will just limp it home. I ended up having to rev out to 5-6g in first before I got any movement at all, and after about 10ks of this sort of driving (city driving too) no matter how high I revved it, it just wouldnt go forward...
ok, after the epic, my question, have I destroyed something other than the clutch here? (flywheel, gearbox?)
(note.. I had the car booked in for a clutch replacement on monday... just a weekend to late it would seem...)
thanks for your help!
Michael
I was cruising around tonight, and my clutch completly stopped engaging the flywheel. Now I have known for some time that the clutch was on its way out and really shouldn't of been driving, but I thought, whats the worst that could happen...
well I found out.
Basically to describe what happened a bit better, when slowing down there was no mechanical braking, as soon as I took my foot off the accelerator, the engine would drop to idle. When I parked, I tested it by putting the car in gear and let the clutch out.. no effect whatso ever.. car idled normally
So I though, ok, I will just limp it home. I ended up having to rev out to 5-6g in first before I got any movement at all, and after about 10ks of this sort of driving (city driving too) no matter how high I revved it, it just wouldnt go forward...
ok, after the epic, my question, have I destroyed something other than the clutch here? (flywheel, gearbox?)
(note.. I had the car booked in for a clutch replacement on monday... just a weekend to late it would seem...)
thanks for your help!
Michael
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my guess is that your clutch is probably worn completely to the metal back and is starting to grind right into your flywheel. I would not start or try to move the car at all. Its possible for fly wheels to get scoured to a pointe where you cannot re-surface them which means your going to need to get a new one.
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The only item you could have hurt would be the throw out bearing and the flywheel.
If your clutch was that bad I bet you had some decent burning of the clutch which probably left scorch mark son your flywheel. ALso yo might have scoring if it is worn completely down.
Pull the tranny and take the clutch and flywheel off.
Then take the flywheel to a clutch place. They can resurface the flywheel or tell you if it's scrap.
If your clutch was that bad I bet you had some decent burning of the clutch which probably left scorch mark son your flywheel. ALso yo might have scoring if it is worn completely down.
Pull the tranny and take the clutch and flywheel off.
Then take the flywheel to a clutch place. They can resurface the flywheel or tell you if it's scrap.
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When your clutch goes you just can not disenguage the clutch. This being the exsact oposit that you ar exsperiancing. Perhaps the hydrolic fork broke off iside or bad slave cylinder. Any time you do work on trany/clutch you should replace the throwout baring. when replacing clutch and presure plate you need to resurface the flywheel as well.
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That is not true. My clutch went out completely in my daily driver, and it was exactly like what he explained. I had to tow it home, but there was no other damage. The clutch was so shredded it looked like a mouse nest.
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Originally Posted by iceblue
When your clutch goes you just can not disenguage the clutch. This being the exsact oposit that you ar exsperiancing. Perhaps the hydrolic fork broke off iside or bad slave cylinder. Any time you do work on trany/clutch you should replace the throwout baring. when replacing clutch and presure plate you need to resurface the flywheel as well.
Wrong.
If the hydraulics fail then the car will default into engaged.
If the clutch fails due to wear then it will shift and start fine but it will take more effort for the power to be applied to the wheels and you will also notice and increase in rpm yet very slow mile per hour increase.
The oh so familiar smell will most likely be there too.
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Originally Posted by iceblue
When your clutch goes you just can not disenguage the clutch. This being the exsact oposit that you ar exsperiancing. Perhaps the hydrolic fork broke off iside or bad slave cylinder. Any time you do work on trany/clutch you should replace the throwout baring. when replacing clutch and presure plate you need to resurface the flywheel as well.
pretending to know what you are talking about again?
if it is bad slave cylinder, then it would be engage the whole time. infact, all the examples you state would mean the clutch works nad is fully engaged.
if you want to be cheap, just bolt on a puck clutch and drive it... ignore the messed up flywheel surface... it would still work... thats what i did, had to save money to get the t2 drivetrain!
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Originally Posted by slpin
pretending to know what you are talking about again?
if it is bad slave cylinder, then it would be engage the whole time. infact, all the examples you state would mean the clutch works nad is fully engaged.
if you want to be cheap, just bolt on a puck clutch and drive it... ignore the messed up flywheel surface... it would still work... thats what i did, had to save money to get the t2 drivetrain!
if it is bad slave cylinder, then it would be engage the whole time. infact, all the examples you state would mean the clutch works nad is fully engaged.
if you want to be cheap, just bolt on a puck clutch and drive it... ignore the messed up flywheel surface... it would still work... thats what i did, had to save money to get the t2 drivetrain!
And advise like dont resurface the flywheel wtf is that? ok yea lets just totaly rune our new clutch costing more money and adding clutch chatter sounds real smart to me other then a $45 resurface charge. Just replacing the disk in this case or any case is just dumb and wont even work if there is another issue other then the disk itsself as allways the throwout baring and presure plate should be replaced.
Last edited by iceblue; 06-03-05 at 08:02 PM.
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Originally Posted by iceblue
plz jr. Have you even rebuilt a clutch? The slave can go bad and not alow you to enguage the clutch thus hard time placing in gear.
problem is probably a busted clutch disk. he said it was slipping for a long time before it went out. it's not like he suddenly lost his clutch in one night.
not that it matters. you want to replace it all anyway. replace both bearings, pressure plate, clutch disk. and don't skimp on a 35 dollar flywheel resurfacing charge. check / bleed your hydraulics and check the fork while you're fixing ****. that's a no brainer.
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Originally Posted by aznpoopy
no. when the slave cylinder goes bad, you will no longer be able to *disengage* the clutch. it will always be engaged. the reason you're having trouble shifting is because the clutch is still engaged. you're basically attempting to clutchless shift.
problem is probably a busted clutch disk. he said it was slipping for a long time before it went out. it's not like he suddenly lost his clutch in one night.
not that it matters. you want to replace it all anyway. replace both bearings, pressure plate, clutch disk. and don't skimp on a 35 dollar flywheel resurfacing charge. check / bleed your hydraulics and check the fork while you're fixing ****. that's a no brainer.
problem is probably a busted clutch disk. he said it was slipping for a long time before it went out. it's not like he suddenly lost his clutch in one night.
not that it matters. you want to replace it all anyway. replace both bearings, pressure plate, clutch disk. and don't skimp on a 35 dollar flywheel resurfacing charge. check / bleed your hydraulics and check the fork while you're fixing ****. that's a no brainer.
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iceblue...
no, i have not rebuilt a worn out clutch disc... have YOU?
show me how you did... id LOVE to see.
a fork that doesnt work will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip
a slave cylinder that is dead will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip, not let it shift
i am saying he could just slap on a used puck clutch if he wants to be very cheap... not that i recommend it - just ideas.... his flywheel might not be able to be able to be surfaced anyways?
and... have you ever slap on a used puck clutch on a pos flywheel to use for temporary until you can afford correct parts... it doesnt really chatter
i cant believe i am paying taxes just to give uneducated people like you internet access to be an ******* on the net...
no, i have not rebuilt a worn out clutch disc... have YOU?
show me how you did... id LOVE to see.
a fork that doesnt work will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip
a slave cylinder that is dead will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip, not let it shift
i am saying he could just slap on a used puck clutch if he wants to be very cheap... not that i recommend it - just ideas.... his flywheel might not be able to be able to be surfaced anyways?
and... have you ever slap on a used puck clutch on a pos flywheel to use for temporary until you can afford correct parts... it doesnt really chatter
i cant believe i am paying taxes just to give uneducated people like you internet access to be an ******* on the net...
Last edited by slpin; 06-03-05 at 09:36 PM.
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Originally Posted by slpin
iceblue...
no, i have not rebuilt a worn out clutch disc... have YOU?
show me how you did... id LOVE to see.
a fork that doesnt work will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip
a slave cylinder that is dead will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip, not let it shift
i am saying he could just slap on a used puck clutch if he wants to be very cheap... not that i recommend it - just ideas.... his flywheel might not be able to be able to be surfaced anyways?
and... have you ever slap on a used puck clutch on a pos flywheel to use for temporary until you can afford correct parts... it doesnt really chatter
i cant believe i am paying taxes just to give uneducated people like you money....
no, i have not rebuilt a worn out clutch disc... have YOU?
show me how you did... id LOVE to see.
a fork that doesnt work will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip
a slave cylinder that is dead will keep the clutch engaged, not make it slip, not let it shift
i am saying he could just slap on a used puck clutch if he wants to be very cheap... not that i recommend it - just ideas.... his flywheel might not be able to be able to be surfaced anyways?
and... have you ever slap on a used puck clutch on a pos flywheel to use for temporary until you can afford correct parts... it doesnt really chatter
i cant believe i am paying taxes just to give uneducated people like you money....
yes fork being mis adjusted or broken will leave car in enguaged mode
No I never placed a part in just to get buy other then testing purposes. I replace the whol thing if short on cash it sits untill evrything gets replaced. Do it right!
Umm yea replaced meany. I resurfaced fly wheel and replaced clutch presure plate and throwout baring. Since the trany is down I go ahead and replace the syncros. On my bikes I replaces the basket presur disk metals and fibers. And then upgrade to billit aluminum baskets and plates $900
You give me money? I dont colect money for ****. So keep paying your taxes so that a minority may eat tonight.
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w00t my first thread **** fight!!!
unfortunately I am not a mechanic (or have the tools to try and be one) so it is locked away in the shop ready for a looksee on monday (damn maz-fix and their race schedule causing them to be closed this saterday...)
I will let everyone know what the go is on monday.. when I get the report back
unfortunately I am not a mechanic (or have the tools to try and be one) so it is locked away in the shop ready for a looksee on monday (damn maz-fix and their race schedule causing them to be closed this saterday...)
I will let everyone know what the go is on monday.. when I get the report back
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Originally Posted by garlic
w00t my first thread **** fight!!!
unfortunately I am not a mechanic (or have the tools to try and be one) so it is locked away in the shop ready for a looksee on monday (damn maz-fix and their race schedule causing them to be closed this saterday...)
I will let everyone know what the go is on monday.. when I get the report back
unfortunately I am not a mechanic (or have the tools to try and be one) so it is locked away in the shop ready for a looksee on monday (damn maz-fix and their race schedule causing them to be closed this saterday...)
I will let everyone know what the go is on monday.. when I get the report back
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Originally Posted by iceblue
This coming form someone who didnt resurface there flywhel
yes fork being mis adjusted or broken will leave car in enguaged mode
No I never placed a part in just to get buy other then testing purposes. I replace the whol thing if short on cash it sits untill evrything gets replaced. Do it right!
Umm yea replaced meany. I resurfaced fly wheel and replaced clutch presure plate and throwout baring. Since the trany is down I go ahead and replace the syncros. On my bikes I replaces the basket presur disk metals and fibers. And then upgrade to billit aluminum baskets and plates $900
You give me money? I dont colect money for ****. So keep paying your taxes so that a minority may eat tonight.
yes fork being mis adjusted or broken will leave car in enguaged mode
No I never placed a part in just to get buy other then testing purposes. I replace the whol thing if short on cash it sits untill evrything gets replaced. Do it right!
Umm yea replaced meany. I resurfaced fly wheel and replaced clutch presure plate and throwout baring. Since the trany is down I go ahead and replace the syncros. On my bikes I replaces the basket presur disk metals and fibers. And then upgrade to billit aluminum baskets and plates $900
You give me money? I dont colect money for ****. So keep paying your taxes so that a minority may eat tonight.
that still did not answer my question... how did you rebuild your clutch disc
you said you rebuild it, show me how you rebuilt it. replacing a clutch is NOT rebuilding it... it is... replacing it.
garlic, let us know how it turns out! my flywheel is completely fucked from a dead clutch disc... scratched and rubbed, warpped, banged up so bad that you can feel its wavy surface anyway you want... the pressure plate looks good though...
oh iceblue... learn some english... what are you, a high school dropout?
Last edited by slpin; 06-03-05 at 10:34 PM.
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Originally Posted by slpin
that still did not answer my question... how did you rebuild your clutch disc
you said you rebuild it, show me how you rebuilt it. replacing a clutch is NOT rebuilding it... it is... replacing it.
garlic, let us know how it turns out! my flywheel is completely fucked from a dead clutch disc... scratched and rubbed, warpped, banged up so bad that you can feel its wavy surface anyway you want... the pressure plate looks good though...
oh iceblue... learn some english... what are you, a high school dropout?
you said you rebuild it, show me how you rebuilt it. replacing a clutch is NOT rebuilding it... it is... replacing it.
garlic, let us know how it turns out! my flywheel is completely fucked from a dead clutch disc... scratched and rubbed, warpped, banged up so bad that you can feel its wavy surface anyway you want... the pressure plate looks good though...
oh iceblue... learn some english... what are you, a high school dropout?
Next you do not rebuilt clutches I hope you do know this. You replace! Commenting that ive or someones rebuilt one this is what they refer too.
Rebuilding the silinder you can not the clutch. Like I said I replaced the parts with new ones like you are sapost to do. And fanagle a rig like just a fiber plate never!
I am one of the people who never do and **** talk you say? No I have not rebuilt a rotary yet. Will be soon. Other than that if its on a car or disel N/A ive rebuilt or replaced it or rebuilt it with my dad bottum line.
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Originally Posted by iceblue
Have you even rebuilt a clutch?
so what you have rebuilt things? i have done mine, my friends, my friends friends engine... and you know what, i do the work too... my dad dont do it, i dont do it with anyone. you have no bragging rights... go paint your brake calipers...
or finish high school...
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Originally Posted by slpin
there you go... read your old post, you pretend to know everything and asked if i have rebuilt a clutch, then the next few posts saying how you have rebuit one and i havent...and now you say you cant rebuild a clutch
so what you have rebuilt things? i have done mine, my friends, my friends friends engine... and you know what, i do the work too... my dad dont do it, i dont do it with anyone. you have no bragging rights... go paint your brake calipers...
or finish high school...
so what you have rebuilt things? i have done mine, my friends, my friends friends engine... and you know what, i do the work too... my dad dont do it, i dont do it with anyone. you have no bragging rights... go paint your brake calipers...
or finish high school...
Edit: Ahh hell it may be over your head so I will just put it in blinde sight one more time.
Next you do not rebuilt clutches I hope you do know this. You replace! Commenting that ive or someones rebuilt one this is what they refer too.
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i am incapable of comprehension... ha... ok... whatever...
you cant even spell cylinder... why do i even waste my time with you and lower to your level...
practice sucking dicks soon... so you will earn a living... if i am your dad and i have to deal with your ****... i would slit my wrists 10 times over.
you cant even spell cylinder... why do i even waste my time with you and lower to your level...
practice sucking dicks soon... so you will earn a living... if i am your dad and i have to deal with your ****... i would slit my wrists 10 times over.
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Originally Posted by slpin
i am incapable of comprehension... ha... ok... whatever...
you cant even spell cylinder... why do i even waste my time with you and lower to your level...
practice sucking dicks soon... so you will earn a living... if i am your dad and i have to deal with your ****... i would slit my wrists 10 times over.
you cant even spell cylinder... why do i even waste my time with you and lower to your level...
practice sucking dicks soon... so you will earn a living... if i am your dad and i have to deal with your ****... i would slit my wrists 10 times over.
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For the first on-topic post In about 10... My friend had an extremely slipping clutch (worst I've driven, yet), it ended up wearing down to the rivets, and putting a huge gouge in his flywheel.. although on that car it was an aluminum flywheel, whereas I believe ours are steel. I dont' think it would have happened wtih steel, but you never know. just doublecheck and make sure theres no scoring.
Actually, I guess Maz will take care of that for you
Actually, I guess Maz will take care of that for you
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Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane
For the first on-topic post In about 10... My friend had an extremely slipping clutch (worst I've driven, yet), it ended up wearing down to the rivets, and putting a huge gouge in his flywheel.. although on that car it was an aluminum flywheel, whereas I believe ours are steel. I dont' think it would have happened wtih steel, but you never know. just doublecheck and make sure theres no scoring.
Actually, I guess Maz will take care of that for you
Actually, I guess Maz will take care of that for you
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I didn't resurface my flywheel when I installed my clutch 2k miles ago :P :P
The FW wasn't scored or burned so it was still relatively good.
Yeah I got lazy. I should have gotten it done but after the pilot bearing puller destroy but left the pilot bearing in I started to get a little agitated.
The FW wasn't scored or burned so it was still relatively good.
Yeah I got lazy. I should have gotten it done but after the pilot bearing puller destroy but left the pilot bearing in I started to get a little agitated.
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Originally Posted by iceblue
Yea our stock ones are steal.
You're still around huh? I thought you got banned. You sure took a beating in the thread you started about your girlfriend seeing a rotary in a Firebird. Unless you start using a spelling and grammar check the beatings will continue. Use your education or continue to loose respect.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=429082
Steal flywheel; good lord.