Checkpoint Website now up!!!
08-24-02, 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
By changing the "our premier engine management system" from the Wolf web site to "the premier engine management system" the meaning has changed. As much as I like the Wolf, I know that it's not the premier EMS, and everyone else knows it, too. I suggest changing that statement before you loose more credibility. Yes, I know, it's probably just a typo.
By changing the "our premier engine management system" from the Wolf web site to "the premier engine management system" the meaning has changed. As much as I like the Wolf, I know that it's not the premier EMS, and everyone else knows it, too. I suggest changing that statement before you loose more credibility. Yes, I know, it's probably just a typo.
08-24-02, 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by SonicRaT
I don't mean to be an *** or anything, but I find it funny you had a typo while pointing out his typo! Lose is spelt with one "o"
I don't mean to be an *** or anything, but I find it funny you had a typo while pointing out his typo! Lose is spelt with one "o"
08-24-02, 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by Fatty_FC3S
We put the Checkpoint cold air intake, racing beat headers, racing beat exhuast, turbo 2 fuel pump and secondary injectors (in the NA secondaries) on an 1990 RX7 GXL. Seat of the pants feel was that it felt just like an 1988 turbo, but with slightly more top end.
We put the Checkpoint cold air intake, racing beat headers, racing beat exhuast, turbo 2 fuel pump and secondary injectors (in the NA secondaries) on an 1990 RX7 GXL. Seat of the pants feel was that it felt just like an 1988 turbo, but with slightly more top end.
Checkpoint has lost credibility with me since I know for a fact that a stock port motor with air filter and exhaust will never out run it's own fuel system. If you went to a bridgeport, then maybe you'd need to do something since the FI and ECU couldn't cope with the RPM's needed to generate the HP.
Anyway, good luck with your "shot in the dark: methods to modifying cars.
I dare you guys to take your existing setup to a dyno and then switch back to the NA fuel system. I'm sure you would see an increase in HP with the NA fuel system due to the fact that you aren't flooding the motor at high RPM.
08-24-02, 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by DuX
I bet you they didn't think they'd get so much negative feed back when they opened their company. They probably expected to get a few sales also....
I bet you they didn't think they'd get so much negative feed back when they opened their company. They probably expected to get a few sales also....
And breesej Im getting my engine streetported...stock secondaries are fine?
Thanks
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08-24-02, 11:18 AM
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Hey chance, havent seen you in awhile. Yes i still have the hybrid turbo on my car, no money to sell it and get a 62-1 or anything yet. Yes im working there and its actually pretty cool. Erics 3rd gen with the twin gt35 turbos just got done the other day and its a screamer. You should drop by sometime and say hi. Im also setting up a caravan down to sevenstock if you are interested
Back to the intake stuff....
Thank you for your input Evil Aviator. Criticism is well taken when its done in a professional manner as you have done.
With the T2 fuel setup, we found that with the stock NA injectors and fuel pump, the car would start going lean near redline. We know this because we used a wideband 02 for testing the product and A/F ratios were not what they needed to be. Widebands are 50 times more accurate than the regular 02 sensor/meter setups. We wanted to make SURE we knew how the car was running. NOT ALL RX7's need the T2 fuel system upgrade, usually only the 89-91 cars do. Even some of those may not need it, but rather than assume that every car is the same and sell something that blows your car up because it went lean, we took the time to test it out.
As far as the prices go, i have no control over that whatsoever, i just do work there.
For those who seem to say "i know this, and i know that because i have a friend who knows yada yada yada", checkpoint has been building rotaries since the mid 70s, before most of us were even born. There is LOTS of knowledge base at the shop.
As far as the website, it was just put up and we are aware that there could be more information. We spoke with the web designer on friday and there will be much more information in the coming weeks so please be patient
Graham
Back to the intake stuff....
Thank you for your input Evil Aviator. Criticism is well taken when its done in a professional manner as you have done.
With the T2 fuel setup, we found that with the stock NA injectors and fuel pump, the car would start going lean near redline. We know this because we used a wideband 02 for testing the product and A/F ratios were not what they needed to be. Widebands are 50 times more accurate than the regular 02 sensor/meter setups. We wanted to make SURE we knew how the car was running. NOT ALL RX7's need the T2 fuel system upgrade, usually only the 89-91 cars do. Even some of those may not need it, but rather than assume that every car is the same and sell something that blows your car up because it went lean, we took the time to test it out.
As far as the prices go, i have no control over that whatsoever, i just do work there.
For those who seem to say "i know this, and i know that because i have a friend who knows yada yada yada", checkpoint has been building rotaries since the mid 70s, before most of us were even born. There is LOTS of knowledge base at the shop.
As far as the website, it was just put up and we are aware that there could be more information. We spoke with the web designer on friday and there will be much more information in the coming weeks so please be patient
Graham
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Originally posted by SonicRaT
I don't mean to be an *** or anything, but I find it funny you had a typo while pointing out his typo! Lose is spelt with one "o"
I don't mean to be an *** or anything, but I find it funny you had a typo while pointing out his typo! Lose is spelt with one "o"
Originally posted by Fatty_FC3S
We spoke with the web designer on friday and there will be much more information in the coming weeks so please be patient
We spoke with the web designer on friday and there will be much more information in the coming weeks so please be patient
08-24-02, 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
And for a change, some GOOD thoughts: The web site is not cluttered and easy to navigate.
And for a change, some GOOD thoughts: The web site is not cluttered and easy to navigate.
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Originally posted by Scott 89t2
considering they only have 3-4 products, it would be pretty hard to clutter it up
considering they only have 3-4 products, it would be pretty hard to clutter it up
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Back to the intake stuff....
As far as the prices go, i have no control over that whatsoever, i just do work there.
As far as the website, it was just put up and we are aware that there could be more information. We spoke with the web designer on friday and there will be much more information in the coming weeks so please be patient
Graham [/B][/QUOTE]
Please be clean and concise in your posts of items for sale. Include all necessary information about the product. Include contact information for yourself, and remember to check back with your thread after you post it. Remember to come back to your thread and mark the item as SOLD if you do sell it. If you have multiple items to sell, please include them all in one post - not multiple different posts.
Graham.
Had to post this statement from the owners of this site.
To be honest, I don’t think this post should have started from Chris directly. And that statement...?! I don’t want get into THAT.
From marketing standpoint, this advisory post was the WRONG thing to do. I believe it is apparent. I noticed that there were many conflicting posts. There are people who can and cannot afford the system. Before the NEXT product hits, please advise the owner to at least do the research before costing his proprietary product.
And secondly, get rid of Mike. He will destroy credibility.
I see it, so will others.
Anyway....good luck...I know, I know...3rd gens are a bitch huh....HA!
As far as the prices go, i have no control over that whatsoever, i just do work there.
As far as the website, it was just put up and we are aware that there could be more information. We spoke with the web designer on friday and there will be much more information in the coming weeks so please be patient
Graham [/B][/QUOTE]
Please be clean and concise in your posts of items for sale. Include all necessary information about the product. Include contact information for yourself, and remember to check back with your thread after you post it. Remember to come back to your thread and mark the item as SOLD if you do sell it. If you have multiple items to sell, please include them all in one post - not multiple different posts.
Graham.
Had to post this statement from the owners of this site.
To be honest, I don’t think this post should have started from Chris directly. And that statement...?! I don’t want get into THAT.
From marketing standpoint, this advisory post was the WRONG thing to do. I believe it is apparent. I noticed that there were many conflicting posts. There are people who can and cannot afford the system. Before the NEXT product hits, please advise the owner to at least do the research before costing his proprietary product.
And secondly, get rid of Mike. He will destroy credibility.
I see it, so will others.
Anyway....good luck...I know, I know...3rd gens are a bitch huh....HA!
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The point of this thread was that it was INTENDED to let people know that the site is up and that there is a CAI avaliable for the 2nd gen cars. It wasnt supposed to be some price war or anything like that, more just to let people know about something new that is coming out. I Apologize if somehow everyones feathers got ruffled because i wanted to give out some information. I never posted anything about price or anything like that, like i said i dont control that. I thought the point of the forum was to help share information.
The website is our first and i wanted to post to get some feedback on it as well as let people know about the CAI. Constructive feedback is what im looking for. Obviously people like how its easy to navigate and that was one of the key things we wanted to have. Knowing that we can now build upon a good platform for a website and offer more information.
Again, i apologize for giving people information to how the setup works. Evil Aviator commented that most people are too lazy to call and would rather just see information. I was trying to explain how things work, but obviously it wasnt in a way that people wanted to recieve it. In the future ill just post that the site is updated, and thats about it. If you want to know about products, then call. I wont bother wasting anyones time anymore by explaining anything. If anyone is still pissed off, then just take it out on me since this is obviously my fault.
Regards to JMSEVEN:
Im kinda confused as to what your are saying in your post, seems broken up and jumbled as to what you are saying. I would like to hear what you have to say though, so just send me a PM and explain your criticisms a little better.
The website is our first and i wanted to post to get some feedback on it as well as let people know about the CAI. Constructive feedback is what im looking for. Obviously people like how its easy to navigate and that was one of the key things we wanted to have. Knowing that we can now build upon a good platform for a website and offer more information.
Again, i apologize for giving people information to how the setup works. Evil Aviator commented that most people are too lazy to call and would rather just see information. I was trying to explain how things work, but obviously it wasnt in a way that people wanted to recieve it. In the future ill just post that the site is updated, and thats about it. If you want to know about products, then call. I wont bother wasting anyones time anymore by explaining anything. If anyone is still pissed off, then just take it out on me since this is obviously my fault.
Regards to JMSEVEN:
Im kinda confused as to what your are saying in your post, seems broken up and jumbled as to what you are saying. I would like to hear what you have to say though, so just send me a PM and explain your criticisms a little better.
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My gripe isn't with he price. Lets look at the original post...
Everyone knows that its impossible for just a CAI to make your NA feel like a T2. That line alone makes people question the credibility of the company. There are a ton of suckers that'll fall for a line. Evidence of that could be found on ebay with people bidding on Tornados and those "electric turbo superchargers". It just seems that those are the people you're trying to get with that line.
If its a quality product that does what it should there should be no need to overhype it or misrepresent it.
We have REAL cold air charges for your 2nd gen NA. Make your car feel like a turbo 2 car!
If its a quality product that does what it should there should be no need to overhype it or misrepresent it.
08-25-02, 08:43 PM
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Graham.
My point was not scrambled. I did not seperate my comments correctly. I stated my "short", personal quotes. That was 2am in the morning...I read and posted comments right before I feel asleep.
I believe my comments should be public. It started that way, it will finish the same way.
In regards to the comment on Mike, first thing, he does not have any rotary experince. He is not in the position to make performance suggestions to customers. To prove my point, have someone you know (rotary experience) come in as a customer. See where it goes.
My next post will be a market write up for everyone to read.
My point was not scrambled. I did not seperate my comments correctly. I stated my "short", personal quotes. That was 2am in the morning...I read and posted comments right before I feel asleep.
I believe my comments should be public. It started that way, it will finish the same way.
In regards to the comment on Mike, first thing, he does not have any rotary experince. He is not in the position to make performance suggestions to customers. To prove my point, have someone you know (rotary experience) come in as a customer. See where it goes.
My next post will be a market write up for everyone to read.
08-25-02, 09:05 PM
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Market efficiencies.
Fierce competition for customer attention and dollars, and the need to succeed must employ strategies grounded to SOLID marketing principles. Businesses begin with research to determine what is important to customers, and proceed by delivering more value than competitors. Other then the comment that was presented, what exactly was the value in that?
First, it is the product experience. It starts with a customer's first awareness of the product, continues at all customer touch points including the Web store site experience and forum postings, and actual product usage and finally customer service. Proper marketing includes the compliments from an actual consumer usage and postpurchase customer service (forum posts).
Second, value is defined wholly by the customer. It does not matter how nice CPE thinks its products are, it is consumer perceptions that COUNT.
Third, it involves customer expectation. To the extent that EXPECTATIONS exceed the product experience, customers WILL be disappointed.
Fourth, value is applied at the price level. Both a $28 OEM Mazda air filter and a $55 K&N filter CAN provide value. See where I am going with this...?
The internet CAN increase benefits and lower cost, but it can also work in reverse.
Let the salesmen sell and let the mechanics stay mechanics. It has been provin by case study, which is just a simple fact.
Good luck. Please do not discount CPE for that first post. They are just excited about producing products that ACTUALLY might work (with other modifications). But, we as consumers have experienced similar situations in one way or another.
But, please take heed.....MARKET RESEARCH!
Market efficiencies.
Fierce competition for customer attention and dollars, and the need to succeed must employ strategies grounded to SOLID marketing principles. Businesses begin with research to determine what is important to customers, and proceed by delivering more value than competitors. Other then the comment that was presented, what exactly was the value in that?
First, it is the product experience. It starts with a customer's first awareness of the product, continues at all customer touch points including the Web store site experience and forum postings, and actual product usage and finally customer service. Proper marketing includes the compliments from an actual consumer usage and postpurchase customer service (forum posts).
Second, value is defined wholly by the customer. It does not matter how nice CPE thinks its products are, it is consumer perceptions that COUNT.
Third, it involves customer expectation. To the extent that EXPECTATIONS exceed the product experience, customers WILL be disappointed.
Fourth, value is applied at the price level. Both a $28 OEM Mazda air filter and a $55 K&N filter CAN provide value. See where I am going with this...?
The internet CAN increase benefits and lower cost, but it can also work in reverse.
Let the salesmen sell and let the mechanics stay mechanics. It has been provin by case study, which is just a simple fact.
Good luck. Please do not discount CPE for that first post. They are just excited about producing products that ACTUALLY might work (with other modifications). But, we as consumers have experienced similar situations in one way or another.
But, please take heed.....MARKET RESEARCH!
08-27-02, 05:00 PM
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Are these the dumbfucks in Rancho Cordova?
If so...
What you would never hear from them...
I walked into their shop (when they were on Sunrise) and looked stupid standing around for a good 15 minutes.  I got one look from the guys in a side room who looked they were too busy eating their ****** lunch rather than try and help a "potential" customer.  I guess I didn't look like the type to be spending any money at their place, huh.  Driving around the back shows a bunch of FC's being worked on - I wonder how much they charge.
#2, that stupid **** with the green REPU that likes to burn out in front of my old shop is just plain immature.  Hell, I bet you guys were trying to show up the "Honda" shop up front, but it looks real stupid when you park the damn REPU in front of your shop and put a FOR SALE sign on it.  I guess your interest got piqued when you heard another rotary shop was in the area (K2RD) and had to drop by for a "friendly chat".  I know one of your FD customers has been talking to Paul Ko of K2RD lately, and I know that FD isn't that fast for the amount of money that the owner paid you guys.  Oh well...
Boy, did this thread went to the **** hole real quick...
I bet Evil Aviator bans me this time!
-Ted
If so...
What you would never hear from them...
I walked into their shop (when they were on Sunrise) and looked stupid standing around for a good 15 minutes.  I got one look from the guys in a side room who looked they were too busy eating their ****** lunch rather than try and help a "potential" customer.  I guess I didn't look like the type to be spending any money at their place, huh.  Driving around the back shows a bunch of FC's being worked on - I wonder how much they charge.
#2, that stupid **** with the green REPU that likes to burn out in front of my old shop is just plain immature.  Hell, I bet you guys were trying to show up the "Honda" shop up front, but it looks real stupid when you park the damn REPU in front of your shop and put a FOR SALE sign on it.  I guess your interest got piqued when you heard another rotary shop was in the area (K2RD) and had to drop by for a "friendly chat".  I know one of your FD customers has been talking to Paul Ko of K2RD lately, and I know that FD isn't that fast for the amount of money that the owner paid you guys.  Oh well...
Boy, did this thread went to the **** hole real quick...
I bet Evil Aviator bans me this time!
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Graham,
Any word on Eric regarding his twin gt35/40 setup? As you know my FD was on the side of Jackson Hwy for most of Sunday during our Apple Hill run. Figures. Looking for an alternative to shipping my twins out to BNR for a rebuild..
Any word on Eric regarding his twin gt35/40 setup? As you know my FD was on the side of Jackson Hwy for most of Sunday during our Apple Hill run. Figures. Looking for an alternative to shipping my twins out to BNR for a rebuild..
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