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Old 07-31-06 | 10:19 PM
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Hello, I am having problems with my clutch. I have searched a bit, don't worry.

These are the two symptoms:

1. My clutch has been slightly chattering ever since I replaced my clutch with a stock mazda clutch (mistake) a year ago. It was nothing that a little more effort with the clutch couldn't control. But now, it is starting to get worse. Almost every 1st gear start has a chattering feel. . .

2. Also recently, my clutch pedal has been feeling spongy. Like if I hold it down at a light for a long time, the clutch will engage earlier and it doesn't come back all the way w/o pumping it.


My question is: Could these symptoms be related? Could it be the master cylinder for both, or something like that?


Any help or advice would be greatly apprecited.

-Charles

1988, n/a
Old 07-31-06 | 11:02 PM
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i dont know what to tell you about your first problem but i can help you on the second problem.

your second problem is that either your clutch master cylinder bushing is torn or your clutch slave cylinder bushing is torn. i did a writeup on hoe to rebuild both of those. the total cost of the rebuild was 24 bucks and 1.5 hours your time. here is the link for the writeup

https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-gen-archive-72/clutch-master-slave-cylinder-%2Awriteup%2A-532869/
Old 07-31-06 | 11:12 PM
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Chattering can be contaminated friction plates, burned flywheel surface from too much slippage or a bunch of other causes. One of which could be your slave cylinder too. It might have a leak or need to be air bled. Then check the master cylinder while you're at it. Don't neglect to check your pedal freeplay as per FSM.
Old 07-31-06 | 11:23 PM
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the brake fluid has never leaked or gone lower in the ma. cylinder. . .
Old 08-01-06 | 12:48 AM
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Then it might very well be the rubber pistons in either or both the master and slave cylinder.
Old 08-01-06 | 12:55 AM
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did you have your flywheel turned when you replaced your clutch? that could cause a chatter. as for the other problem sounds like your slave and or master cylinder need to be rebuilt or replaced. those can magnify a chatter when bad.
Old 08-01-06 | 05:00 AM
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Ok thanks for the help... I'll get back on how it turns out.
Old 08-01-06 | 11:26 AM
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My clutch chatters after I've been driving for a while (heated flywheel\clutch?) when starting from a s top.
It's silky smooth for the first half hour of driving.

Same thing happen to you?
Old 08-01-06 | 11:33 AM
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I think it does... I usually let the car warm up first before I drive it fast. . . It's very annoying.
Old 08-01-06 | 11:35 PM
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Smile ~Amazing Results~

Ok, after hearing everything and searching, I decided to go ahead and just bleed the clutch before anything else. The fluid in my reservoir was pretty grimy, almost grainy. . .



1. First, I pumped out most of the old fluid from the reservoir and filled it with new Castrol fluid. I did this a few times to dilute the old fluid...

2. Next, I bleed the system through several times. In other words, I had to refill the reservoir a few times. When I was done, the clutch fluid was MUCH cleaner!



That is all I did! I then drove the car...Wow, what a difference. I let it fully warm up, and just drove, and it gave me NO more problems for the whole 35 min drive. I couldn't even feel the chattering feel anymore, whereas before I couldn't even start moving on a slight hill w/o major "chattering'.

I have a pretty steep driveway and usually I have to let the clutch out before I start going up the hill. Tonight, I let the clutch slip slightly all the way up the driveway with no chattering feel. Wow.




I know that I will probably have to replace/rebuild my master or slave cylinder, but until then this will hopefully get the job done!


Thanks for the help. Sorry for the long write-up.
-Charles

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