RRTEC

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It was getting close to that point, better off leaving then duking it out with a pissed off Harley Rider with a $15k bike laying in pieces.

tinvestor

If the guy wasn't hurt, then it was funny. I dont believe for a second that it was your fault. He made the choices that put him, kept him, behind you.

Syonyk

There's no way he's responsible. If a car stinks, back off. This falls into the realm of "Personal Responsibility" - if something is unsafe, fix it yourself, instead of blaming someone else. If the car suddenly belched out 6 quarts of oil onto the roadway, it might change things a bit, but... I still tend to think that you should be far enough back to be able to safely move/stop for hazards like that. Do I always ride that far back? No. And if something like that happened, I would take full responsibility for losing control.

I ride a motorcycle pretty much year round. If I don't like the smell of a car, I'll back off or pass them. It's not like it's hard to pass on a motorcycle - if I can do it on a 28 year old 500cc cruiser, a new Harley could do it trivially.

-=Russ=-

slo

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I have to say big ol fat bullshit on this one. That’s hypocritical, sure if the Harley rider could have prevented it than he should take personal responsibility. That doesn't alleviate whoever was the cause. By your hypocritical concept of responsibility RRTEC should also take responsibility for the accident that he could have prevented by having cats on his car.

This isn't some obscure domino effect thing where someone hitting there brakes 50 miles ahead caused a chain event which led to his crash.

In any case legal responsibility is a whole different subject. I'm not a lawyer, but somewhere in some state of the United States, RRTEC would be 100% legally responsible for this accident. In a state which allows these types of modifications he probably wouldn't be but here in CA I wouldn't be surprised if that was different. In any state RRTEC could be sued, all the Harley rider would have to do is convince a jury.

Now on the subject of this being funny, this very day someone posted about there 91 TII being wrecked, how many of you said it was funny. If you laugh at someone else’s misfortune that makes you an *******, that doesn't mean you’re any different than the average American, but you’re still an *******.

And finally, perhaps the Harley was improperly modified, as in raked triples without a raked steering head. This makes the bike look somewhat like a chopper, but reduce the trail, possible to the point where the trail becomes 0 or even negative. Trail is essentially castor. If that’s the case a serious of bumps or dips, combined with the rider being distracted by the fumes from the exhaust could have caused a speed wobble which made the bike go down. But in general motorcycles don't just fall over.

RRTEC

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^ My car has Cats... Where did you get your facts? It has a full exhaust but the mufflers need replacing...

Well I don't feel very responsible as He could have prevented the accident by driving more responsibly, notice my thread, I want to fix the issue so this will not happen again.. If I am at fault (which i am not) then I really would like to fix the running rich situation.

tinvestor

Look if someone was pissing in your face you wouldnt just stand there you would move. It is not like a piece of the car flew off and hit the guy or his bike. He was back there for 15 miles was it? It was obviously not that horrible. This is a case of a whiny little bitch that couldnt take responsibility for his own decissions. If someone is buying you drinks it is your responsibility to know when to stop drinking them because you are becoming impared from the effects of the alcohol, this is no different if he was becoming impaired then he had a responsibility to do something about it.

riverzendz

What the hell does that mean? If a car has catalytic converters it's impossible for it to smell bad? He is, by no means, responsible for what happend. The guy should have backed off or turned somewhere. Talk to a lawyer if you like, they'll tell you the same.

What's wrong slo? Did you fall off a bike because you were being a douche and blame it on someone else? You are awfully defensive here.

riverzendz

Ha ha! Pure gold! Heh, literally.

DeclareYrWar

this is a great story. id have reacted the same way to the biker. hes a ****** dumbass for riding behind you like that and i highly doubt that thats the real reason he wrecked. im sure he was getting some nasty as fumes haha but not bad enough to cause him to flip and nail a mailbox and ****. thats just stupid. its called he felt like a dumbass cause he just wrecked his bike so wrather than thanking you for bothering to stop and see if hes alright and offer help, he decides hes gonna say its all your cars fault....people are so stupid

slo

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Are you guys pissed off because I just called you ********? Don't feel bad I am an ******* too.

Funny but not an accurate comparison, Oh and if someone was pissing in my face I wouldn't just stand there I would move and beat the **** out of them.

The point is that your car left the factory running right and not grossly spewing fumes, now because you want to go faster it is running rich and grossly spewing fumes. The cats thing was an assumption.

BTW my car has no cats. I'm not judging you for this. that was never the point. Legal responsibility and personal responsibility are different things.

I think the harley rider was probably just blaming you because he was embaresed or saw a potentiol way to get his mistake paid for.

Let me guess your a layer. Hmm, lets see I don't know about your state, but lets say you where turning left in front off me on an un protected turn, I was approaching, and saw you, but instead of stopping which I could have easily done I flipped you off and broadsided you.

Who was at fault? In California unless you can prove that I intentionally hit you than it would be you. I know this because I was broadsided in exactly this way.

Never been in an accident with a car wile riding my bike, I’ve had a few ******** try and run me off the road. I’ve, also taken out a few mirrors, and a windshield, with my fist as I passed by.

And why were on the subject of the law, this statement is perfect

My mom was dating this total **** up a while back. BTW this is in VT not in CA. He got drunk in a bar and drove his van home. On the way back he hit another car and killed the occupant. They charged him with some kind of Vehicular manslaughter. The state also criminally charged the bartender with some kind of lesser crime, for being an accessory, or for not calling the cops when he drove away or something he was supposed to do. BTW that fucktard was the worst waste of human being I have ever met.

The point is if you think that RRTEC couldn't potentially be held at fault then you’re naive. And he could defiantly be sued. I'm not saying its right, in fact its not. It’s ******* stupid.

The only thing that pissed me off was everyone saying that it was funny that the guy went down. I don’t even like Harley’s, I ride a Zx11.

slo

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The only time I act like a douche is when your girl is in my bed.

See I'm an ******* too.

BTW, I'm not going to reply to this thread any more, Im on this forum for the technical knowledge only.

staticguitar313

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LOL thats straight out stupidity there. Funny ****. Anyone defending the biker is stupid btw. He was perfectly capable of keeping his distance. **** him, in the ***.

LexTalionis502

RRTEC ftw. That ****'s hilarious man, if he had any kind of sense he would have just backed off.

A middle aged man sits in his closed garage, car idling for 30 minutes or so. Garage opener in hand.
"God damn *cough*, this is really starting to burn... Maybe I should open the door... I can't even brea...bre..." Dead.

Moral of the story, don't be a tard.

tinvestor

No one thinks it is funny that he went down it IS funny that the stupid **** spent 15 miles following and then tryed to place blame. You see it is kind of funny when an a ***** gets what he deserves. Does that mean I think he deserved to go down because of this? Maybe he did, we have no idea what type of person he is but my guess (from the way he acted) would be that he is an ******* and it was probably karma paying him back.

drugblock12a

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Ha funny. He fell, so what? When my T2 was running it was insanely rich, had no cats, and had an exhaust leak. I couldn't stop at a drive thru without getting bitched at.

sar

iTrader: (1)

For you to be responsible would be like a man with a garage door not opening to start his car and suffer from carbon di/mon oxide poisoning - and then blaming it on either the car (assuming fully functional ignition switch) or the garage door opener. Either way what he says is the problem was easily correctable.

And I'm laughing that the biker said that, not at the fact that he ruined his bike.

And a response to a rolling bike rarely falls over - that's why there are no people on motorcycles ever involved in crashes, esp where they skid on a leg or anything. (sarcasm)

aznpoopy

its not funny. its not really rrtec's fault either, in this case.

it wasn't an emergency situation where the biker was coming along and suddenly got slammed by a gust of fuel rich air. cars do have mechanical failures and smoke, etc. while driving down the highway.

but... bad maintenance *can* be a cause for liability. for instance, if you neglect to keep your brakes repaired, and they fail and you injure someone; you can bet you'll be held liable if they can prove it.

ditto for driving on bald tires with the metal exposed.

these cases have actually come up and people have been held liable for negligent maintenance of a motor vehicle.

Goofy

RRTEC, one question:

Why were you driving the vert?

1. To take your unfinished car for a pleasure cruise?
2. To test how far you've gone and see how much work you still have to put into tuning it?

RRTEC

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Well I was attempting to get the car's exhaust done, but the shop had a long wait. Plus I have a 70mile round trip to work daily and figured a short trip to town would give me a good idea of how driveable the car is. Thanks to the trip I found a loose oil line, and fixed a coolant leak. The running rich issue is still present, but I am trying to eliminate potential problems....

OC_

Yeah, you are not responsible for anything that happens. So you should sue when you spill your coffee on yourself, or of you slip on a wet floor. if a deer jumps in fornt of your car, you should sue because the DOT failed to keep you safe.

What ever happend to good judgement or common sense?

tinvestor

OK I would say that this is much more like taking your jeep off road and a light coat of dust gets on the tail lights making them more difficult to see but you know by looking at them that they are dirty and might be hard to see so when the jeep slows for a turn (in ILLINOIS) you still have to keep yourself from hitting them regardless of ANY conditions.

Agent_D

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hahahahahahahaha thats the funniest thing ive ever read i think, stupid people deserve **** like that, too bad he was ok (may sound terrible) but people that stupid shouldnt be allowed outside.


and according to slo we should all leave are cars stock, cause the stupid people cant make up their minds on whether they want to wreck and die or if they want to pass or just hang back a bit.


what i want to know is, how does someone stupid enough to let that happen to themselves make enough money to afford a nice bike??

inflatablepets

Heres the deal, Did you crash into him? Did he crash into you? no, then there is no accident.

Carzy Driver

hah! some funny stuff!!

KeloidJonesJr.

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He should've passed you...