Jesturbo

The car has been sitting pretty well dead for a month, when I first got it, ran mediocre, idled OK, then as it heated up would start to get choppy, above idle ran fine. Now the car won't even start, it seems to be getting fuel (smells like it's flooding), haven't had a chance to check spark as I haven't touched the coils between then and now...I did remove a VERY poorly installed Viper alarm which never worked right, and I'm wondering if that might be part of the problem...

My real question, does anything under the dash (particularly that would have been run through the ignition switch itself and would have been hacked by a viper, which normally just wouldn't give power to the starter) control the spark? I'm hoping it's related to the removal of the alarm, the only other thing I've done is replace some of the vacuum hoses with SVH and had most of the intake system off the car to put the ACV blockoff on and remove the air pump.

The car is an 87 Turbo

hondahater

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what happens? Does the car just go click? or is it at least cranking? I just took a viper alarm out thinking that was the problem however the car still doesn't start.

Jesturbo

Sorry, should have specified better. The motor cranks over fine (the battery was dead, but running it as a jump off my GF's running car, it would just continue to turn indefinitely) but never catches and starts. After I finish, 1 tailpipe or another inevitably has a trace of smoke coming from it (it wasn't always the same pipe either...that was a bit puzzling) which smells normal. Car smells like fuel, so I'm guessing spark is the problem, but before I go yanking out plugs, I wanted to get a feel for whether something under the dash (i.e. something that a viper installer aka mickey mouse) could have piggybacked or hacked in order to let the starter kick but the spark not fly which I might have misconnected in my attempts to remove and put the car back together.

I should add that in the interest of removing X factors, I am in the process of removing the entire rats nest just to make sure it isn't a cruddy vacuum leak at this point (a project I started while dejected that it wouldn't start this afternoon)

Sammytom

A few thing to check is the EGI fuse under the hood. If that fuse goes the motor will turn over but will not start. Have you tried to unflood it. theres a relay ubove the brake pedal. Unplug it and turn the motor over( it may take alittle while, if it doesnt start after a few minutes of trying that means you have another problem or your realy flooded bad.) As far as the alarm I install those and i have the remote start in my 87 t2 i see no reason that its under the dash eccept if they tapped into the relay that i was talking about.

PS did all of this happen before you removed any of the rats nest.

Jesturbo

Well, sort of, it's been an ongoing project, as the car ran like crap when I first got it, but the shitty Viper kept going off and draining the battery, so since it's a second/race car, I decided to tackle it all at once. Not the best idea from a troubleshooting/fixing standpoint, but I think I found a few issues...perhaps y'all could tell me if these things 'could' cause a lack of starting...

#1 - one of the vacuum hoses for the oil injectors was totallly broken, I'm sure that was the vacuum leak causing the cruddy idle. I have since replaced all 4 lines to the oil injectors with SVH
#2 - in the course of adjusting the dashpot, which origally wasn't making ANY contact, I mistakenly adjusted the fast idle cam to the wrong groove (there's the 0 deg and the higher mark, I think mine was set with the motor not warmed up to the higher mark)...this has since been totally removed as part of the TB mod.

These 2 things were the only 2 noticeable things I found (other than that the air filter portion of the FPR solenoid was broken off, but that, too has since been removed)...could the combination of the 2 be causing a no start issue, or would that be totally unlikely? I'm still waiting to do fuel filter (all lines are run, I just ran out of energy to get under the car later in the day today) but other than that, I think I have everything pretty well ready to go back together except the EGR blockoff, and a few minor vac lines that I won't connect until the intake and TB are back in place...hopefully be able to get it all done by next weekend and give her a try.

Jesturbo

Oh, forgot to ask, is the EGI fuse in the box by the battery which looks like it's all fuseable links? If so, then all are in good shape and working, but I don't have a readable cover, so perhaps I should check that as well...

Sammytom

Yes its the first on. its a 30 amp. While your in there i would take those oil injectors out. I removed all my emmisions last week on my T2 and noticed me oil feed lines where cloged. So i took all the oil metering crap off and went to premix.

So back to your car have got it running. Also you said the alarm drained the battery. how often did the car get ran. has it sat for a long period of time.

assman20a

ok the thing is flooded and very horibly . i know mine did the same exact thing. go to this site and find the prosedure for unflooding it

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/flooding.html

if this dosent work your adrift without a paddle

but it should.