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Old 08-21-03 | 03:43 PM
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Banjo bolt... doesn't fit

I've got an 88 TII parts motor i'm pulling junk off of, and I was told that I could use the banjo bolt from the front-end of the fuel rail to replace the PD on my 87 TII. I pulled the banjo bolt off the front of the rail, and just for good measure I decided to pull the PD off the parts motor with the intent to confirm that the banjo bolt would fit in the PD's threads. Well, it looks like this isn't the case. The front-side banjo bolt was too large to fit in the spot for the PD.

Anyone know why this is? Is the banjo bolt replacement model specific? (meaning, do I have to pull it off an N/A)

NOTE: I'm also looking at the "Earl's" replacement banjo bolt. The recommended size is 12mm x 1.25 /w -6an inlet. Is that correct for an '87 S4 TII?
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I got the Earl's BB and it fit. I didn't try anything off of my spare fuel rails. The bolt alone costs around 10 dollars but its usually out of stock so you have to buy it with the fitting and that brings the price up to 25 dollars.
Old 08-21-03 | 04:05 PM
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I had to use an adaptor fitting to a -6 flair fitting.
Old 08-21-03 | 05:17 PM
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I removed my PD last month and replaced it with an Earls banjo bolt ($7.99 + shipping from Summit). Worked great. I did it as preventative maintenance and when I got the top intake manifold off, I saw that the PD was starting to leak fuel again. I had replaced the original last year, if indeed it was the original. At that time my car almost became another PD fire statistic victim.

I'm glad I replaced it with a permanent fix. I have noticed absolutely no ill side effects concerning the engines performance with the pulsation damper gone. While you're in there doing this mod, may I suggest replacing all the rubber fuel lines in the area under the upper intake manifold. Make sure the fuel line you purchase is for FUEL INJECTION !

I did have a spare fuel rail. Prior to installing the Earls BB, I tried the BB from the spare but it did not fit.
Old 08-21-03 | 05:38 PM
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Tulsa, You wouldn't happen to have the part number for that Banjo Bolt would you? Or maybe just the specs/sizing?
Old 08-21-03 | 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by 1987RX7guy
I got the Earl's BB and it fit. I didn't try anything off of my spare fuel rails. The bolt alone costs around 10 dollars but its usually out of stock so you have to buy it with the fitting and that brings the price up to 25 dollars.



thats exactly what i did....

its worked great, easy install as well
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Re: Banjo bolt... doesn't fit

Originally posted by ducktape
I've got an 88 TII parts motor i'm pulling junk off of, and I was told that I could use the banjo bolt from the front-end of the fuel rail to replace the PD on my 87 TII. I pulled the banjo bolt off the front of the rail, and just for good measure I decided to pull the PD off the parts motor with the intent to confirm that the banjo bolt would fit in the PD's threads. Well, it looks like this isn't the case. The front-side banjo bolt was too large to fit in the spot for the PD.

Anyone know why this is? Is the banjo bolt replacement model specific? (meaning, do I have to pull it off an N/A)

NOTE: I'm also looking at the "Earl's" replacement banjo bolt. The recommended size is 12mm x 1.25 /w -6an inlet. Is that correct for an '87 S4 TII?
yes, if u want to use old banjo, it has to be from NA

here is what i have saved from RETed's site :

"I've been digging around, and Summit Racing offers JUST THE BANJO BOLT, which is an Earls part number 997591.

I punched in part number "EAR-997591", and it's priced at $7.99 each.

I know people were buying the banjo bolt AND banjo double fitting, which is the Earls part number 807991, but you're wasting money with the extra parts. Summit price for EAR-997591 is $26.39 (it's currently on back-order). What is good enough this part is that is comes with two aluminum crush washers, which you actually need.

You can get the fuel rail (copper) crush washers from the Mazda dealer.



-Ted"
Old 08-21-03 | 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by ducktape
Tulsa, You wouldn't happen to have the part number for that Banjo Bolt would you? Or maybe just the specs/sizing?
Earls part number : 997591

Summit Racing part number : EAR-997591

http://www.summitracing.com

NOTE: I did not have good luck with the aluminum crush washers that came with the banjo bolt. I ended up using the mazda copper crush washers instead.
Old 10-09-03 | 09:20 PM
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So all you need is part # EAR-997591 from summit? No other adaptors or anything? I am going to order it but want to be sure its all I need while I'm at it. Thanks.
Old 10-09-03 | 09:28 PM
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yep it should come with some other fitting you DO NOT need and the crush washers
Old 10-09-03 | 09:47 PM
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Old 02-03-04 | 01:49 PM
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i hope sumone is reading this....

i got my banjo bolt from summit today[part#997591] and there was no picture on the website and now that ive got it i dunno if its right. it dosnt look like the part i saw a picture of on one of the banjo bolt threads and mine has no 90* fitting. its a blue banjo bolt and two aluminum crush washers. will i need that 90* fitting????
Old 02-03-04 | 01:58 PM
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No you don't need the fitting. All you need is the bolt.
Old 02-04-04 | 07:55 PM
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so how does this work then[havnt looked at it yet] is there a hose that will connect to the rail goin to the other. or is the bolt acting as a 'cap'??
Old 02-04-04 | 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by jester1341
so how does this work then[havnt looked at it yet] is there a hose that will connect to the rail goin to the other. or is the bolt acting as a 'cap'??
All you need is the bolt you ordered with the washers. The bolt replaces the PD. Once you take the PD off, it should be obvious.
Old 02-05-04 | 05:41 PM
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okay thanks alot man. my only problem will be waiting for a day warm enough to take off the UIM....will i need to replace a gasket in there?? also is that hard to do??

sorry for all the questions, havnt done a whole lot to this car yet.
Old 02-05-04 | 07:08 PM
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okay thanks alot man. my only problem will be waiting for a day warm enough to take off the UIM....will i need to replace a gasket in there?? also is that hard to do??

sorry for all the questions, havnt done a whole lot to this car yet.
You should replace the gasket, yes.
Mainly because it is no doubt vrey old and will most probably tear appart which would cause a vacume leak when you put it all back together.
Old 01-20-05 | 04:53 PM
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and nearly a year later...
"Replacement Banjo Bolt, Use With EAR-807691/EAR-807991"
its new name: EAR-997591ERL
$8.39

http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...7591&x=20&y=11

i'm going to call them, though. i'm not paying an $8.95 handling charge for a bolt.

Parts Total: $8.39
Handling Charge: $8.95

Total Order: $17.34

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Old 01-20-05 | 05:14 PM
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Hey thanx for the update.
I've gotten notes about the part number not being valid, but I haven't been able to take care of this...


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Old 01-20-05 | 05:21 PM
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no prob, thanks for being quoted earlier. problem is, now i'm pissed. they charge flat-rate handling; "no shipping charges." has this not upset anyone else? geez, i want to do a group-buy just to get a bolt without getting ripped off.
Old 01-20-05 | 06:16 PM
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Part numbers have been updated.
http://fc3spro.com/TECH/FAQ/pd.html

I've been looking into getting those stupid things at wholesale and offering them to you guys without the stupid handlings charges, but things have been mega busy on my side.
Hopefully I can set up some kinda deal sometime later this year!
Sorry, a lot of the business side of the website has been put on hold right now - I'm in the process of starting a new job, so that's been taking up all my time right now.

Thanx again casio!


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