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Old 08-26-05, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 1987RX7guy
What's quoted below seems to come off as an oppinion. Perhpas I misinterpreted the meaning of "just hire one or two more mods" As an unfavorable view towards my idea. If so, my bad....
Nope, I just dont see the problems with this section being so bad that we need to take action. They are the same problems we have always had. The problem is the second gen section is just too dynamic for the amount of moderators to handle. If you want to push a mentorship program, I will gladly participate, I just dont think that it is necessary. Forgive me if I dont feel your idea is the bandaid that will cover the boo boo. It happens Santiago, get used to it.

On another note, I notice alot of people calling Aaron a **** Mod. Now let me say a few things here; I make no secret of the fact that I dont care for Aaron as a moderator, BUT he is definately alot more leinient then you all may think. I have a pretty good habit of pissing in his Wheaties from time to time, and I have given him more then enough reasons to ban me. So in that respect, I disagree with his title of **** Mod..
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Originally Posted by J-Rat
Nope, I just dont see the problems with this section being so bad that we need to take action. They are the same problems we have always had. The problem is the second gen section is just too dynamic for the amount of moderators to handle. If you want to push a mentorship program, I will gladly participate, I just dont think that it is necessary. Forgive me if I dont feel your idea is the bandaid that will cover the boo boo. It happens Santiago, get used to it.

On another note, I notice alot of people calling Aaron a **** Mod. Now let me say a few things here; I make no secret of the fact that I dont care for Aaron as a moderator, BUT he is definately alot more leinient then you all may think. I have a pretty good habit of pissing in his Wheaties from time to time, and I have given him more then enough reasons to ban me. So in that respect, I disagree with his title of **** Mod..

Well forgive me but in my book a viewpoint is largly an oppinion so I made the judgement. Based on that judgement I said you had an oppinion, you said otherwise, but you seem to contradict yourself?
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Originally Posted by 1987RX7guy
Well forgive me but in my book a viewpoint is largly an oppinion so I made the judgement. Based on that judgement I said you had an oppinion, you said otherwise, but you seem to contradict yourself?

Nah, I dont think its a bad idea in itself, I just dont feel its the answer to the problem. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?
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Nah, I dont think its a bad idea in itself, I just dont feel its the answer to the problem. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?


Its quite easy to grasp, just ironing out the wrinkles in the discussion.





MODs: If any of you want to check out my idea I can demo it any time now.
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He also didn't provide an opinion on the subject that it was too much work, I did. Thus, Jrat is right.
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He also didn't provide an opinion on the subject that it was too much work, I did. Thus, Jrat is right.


Damn I missread, he is right.
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Ummmmm anybody wanna provide the cliffnotes?

I suggest something like the miata garage page and the FAQ

http://www.miata.net/garage/
http://www.miata.net/faq/

One thing I hate about starting out on a new forum is starting out a total noob. I just recently bought a miata and found the miata garage page and it covers all the basics and much much more just by going through this once.

I think our FAQ covers most of the stuff but doesnt cover alot of stuff and is much more of a pain to look through than a bunch of hyperlinked problem topics. The miata garage page just looks much easier to look out and easier to skim through when looking for a specific problem. I think a new FAQ in the format like they have on the miata forum would help noobs a great deal.

For example questions like below all leading to links with individual write ups. Ton's of people have posted individual write ups here on different things and others have done it on their own personal pages. We'd need to ask permission of course to link to people's private writeups on their websites as a courtesy.
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Outback Steakhouse sucks.

This is not misinformation.

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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
For those whiners who know they have a slow connection, why shouldnt they just disable avatars and sigs altogether, and let the rest of us do as we please (within reason, of course).
Why should others miss out? Just because I'm on dial-up doesn't mean I don't want to see avatars and sigs. I just don't want to have wait to see the same oversized sig again and again and again. And the info in sigs makes if far easier to help people out with their problems. The number of people who ask questions without even mentioning what car they have is bad enough. I wouldn't want to make things even harder for myself.

I think a 40k sig around 640x480 is certainly reasonable if it's only allowed to be posted once per thread per person.
But why would I want to see your huge sig in every thread you post in? You have a nice car but are you that desperate to show it to everyone? What's wrong with a more considerately-sized pic that links to a bigger one? Then you can make it billboard size if you really want to.

I totally agree with the one sig per thread idea though. It works great at TeamFC3S, and I pesonally do that here anyway. It's a shame more people aren't considerate enough to do the same.

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Will there be avenues of redress if you feel a moderator has acted in error? I am not saying that our mods are uneducated about the FC, but merely pointing out that mods are still human, and they will make a mistake from time to time. Will engaging a moderator over an alleged wrong cause the said mod to become enraged? Or are the mods willing to be patient listeners to the other side of the story? Put it another way, are the mods subject to a system of "checks and balances" in order to prevent the "**** Mod" syndrome?
Seriously, how often have the mods in this section act inappropriately? Most of the time the action they take is against repeat offenders and people who think they should be able to do whatever they want in a privately owned and operated forum. None of the rules in this forum are particularly harsh or unreasonable, so I can't see why people can't just stick to them.

I know the mods have a hard time with this section, because it is the largest section on the 7club. So maybe its time for some of us older members to stop fighting the mods and start helping?
Personally I give the mods of the 2nd Gen section my full support.

Originally Posted by firestarter810
I don't think the mods have to lighten up. I think they need to be more discreet about it. If you delete a thread, or ban someone, or whatever the case may be; why announce it to everyone?
Because if nobody sees being the rules being enforced, people will think the rules don't need to be followed. The mods then end up spending all their time tidying up the non-stop mess. Pretty obvious really...

Originally Posted by SidewaysFC
Attacks on moderators and admins, in public or in private, will result in an immediate ban.

yet it takes multiple attacks on us "normies" before someone gets banned? ...where does the playing field level?
Because mods do a hell of a lot of work that most of us don't see, and they prevent the place becoming infested with ****. They shouldn't have to put up with people ragging on them for it. Besides, the rule says "no attacks". It does not say "no civilised discussions". Like Aaron said, if you have a problem with a mod and you deal with it like an adult, you're far more likely to come out happy.

But the small things like being soo soo strict about a signature size or other simple matters just seems so silly.
What's the point of having a size limit if you're going to allow exceptions or leniency. It defeats the purpose of doing it at all. How hard is it to follow such a simple rule?

Originally Posted by MARTIN
I was banned for disagreeing with a mod and I been here 4+ years...
It's funny how there's alway another side to the "I was unfairly banned" stories, and they almost always show the ban as being fully justified...
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It's funny how there's alway another side to the "I was unfairly banned" stories, and they almost always show the ban as being fully justified...
Thats pure bs. If it was justified another admin wouldnt've gave me my account back.. and to prevent any other disagreement I just removed my sig... not to mention that to "justify" my size they wanted me to tell them which members had bigger sigs. Not to mention that when this whole problem with me and the sig started, there were no size limit(file size).

Look, when I posted before, I was letting him know that if you disagree with a mod or admin, then you better have the support of another mod or admin if not kiss your **** goodbye...

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Old 08-27-05, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by NZConvertible

Seriously, how often have the mods in this section act inappropriately? Most of the time the action they take is against repeat offenders and people who think they should be able to do whatever they want in a privately owned and operated forum. None of the rules in this forum are particularly harsh or unreasonable, so I can't see why people can't just stick to them.

God, this thread was so lonely without you!!!

Anyways, I never said that the Mods act inappropriately, I just said that sometimes people make mistakes. Its called human nature. So I wanted to know if there would be some way to rectify those types of problems, and Aaron answered the question. Lo and behold, two days later, you add your voice to the choir. But then again, you always did have a bit of a flair for the dramatic.
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Old 08-27-05, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
Not to mention that when this whole problem with me and the sig started, there were no size limit(file size).

Pure bs... For as far back as I can remember there has always been a file size limit. It has always been listed in the official forum rules. And if I'm not mistaken, THIS is why you were warned, file size.
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Old 08-27-05, 12:15 PM
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So I'm guessing no one likes my suggestion or you guys are too busy arguing over issues that are pretty much already set in stone.
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Pure bs... For as far back as I can remember there has always been a file size limit. It has always been listed in the official forum rules. And if I'm not mistaken, THIS is why you were warned, file size.
Not in the FAQ where they kept referring me too...
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Old 08-27-05, 03:10 PM
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lol i dont see why anyone is against the noob (mentor) section, its a great way to prevent a lot of reposts about questions asked hundreds of times, and since 99% of you click on, and read the thread, then reply with something that most of the time isnt relevant to what the question actually was, it would keep a lot of junk out of the section.
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Originally Posted by MARTIN
Not in the FAQ where they kept referring me too...
Which FAQ are you referring to? The 2nd gen FAQ or the entire forum's FAQ? There is more than one, ya know!

https://www.rx7club.com/faq.php?faq=rules_faq_item

Those are where the official rules are, and that's the official FAQ for everyone, the file size limit has been in there for a VERY long time.
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Hmmm...thought it was weird this thread pop up on a search of my nick.
I didn't even realize this one existed!
The title / subject looks very similar to the locked stickie!

I guess I might as well put my 2 cents, since I'm in here...

Wow, did the rules get kindly forgotten at the beginning of this thread?
Shame on you people who can't keep a civilized discussion going.
Gawd, if I said those things, I would've gotten banned by now. :P

The Mods are doing a good job, but I think the majority of people will agree that's it's...not...good...enough?
I would propose to add more mods.
Really...we only have three really active ones in here?
Personally, I would like to see the "two Rats" made into mods - they know their ****, and both have put in their dues over the years.
I've hinted on returning as a Mod, but I'm sure there's an uproar over that idea somewhere; only recently I've been able to dedicate 10 hours a day to just sitting here online, so might as well make the best of it?
I would rather be working on my website, but I don't think FTP'ing on company time looks very nice on the record.
There just needs to be more mods, period - this will balance out the characters of current mods if there is just more of them around.

The change is long overdue, but I wonder in which direction this particular forum section will go.
I would not want it to turn into a drab / technical section with very little emotional additions - how is that "Rotary Tech" mailing list going still?
In theory, it would be a utopia to be able to just screen the purely technical tidbits, but in reality, drama rules.
Look at fiction versus non-fiction (books, movies, media, etc.) - guess which one makes more money.

I think 99% of the NA to turbo threads should be deleted.
Mr. Cake has been trying to control them recently, but every once in a while, one of them makes it through.
Mr. Cake's write-up on his website is an excellent reference, and this should make 99% of that type of thread moot - drop a link to Mr. Cake's website, close the thread, move on - newbies can't seem to grasp that idea.

As for validity on technical accuracy...
I won't touch that with a 10 foot pole...
I already have "engineers" calling me fraud and every other vulgarity you can think of, so I'm in no position to argue otherwise.
What it does come down to is a civilized discussion on the matter; the truth will always be revealed in a proper proof.

As for sigs...get rid of them.
Pics are no excuse in sigs.
You want a pic, put a damn URL in your sig.
The avatar isn't enough?
You want to show off your car?
Use the vB Garage...
Too bad we can't go back to the good ole days of strict UNIX .sigs which were like 4 lines of text MAX!


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The main problem that I see related to moderators tasks, are the repeated questions... there are a million no spark, cooling problem, will I beat this... and bunch more... Lets not mention the other questions that im sure use up 1/2 the database, the infamous, how hard is a turbo/na convertion, or can I turbo my n/a..

The word search cant be stressed enough.. most of the time there is another thread with the same question, on the same page...
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Old 08-28-05, 12:31 AM
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Newbies get frustrated with the search function...or just too godamn lazy.
There's been a bunch of recent posts like this:
"I would search but I'm in a hurry..."
"I know you guys will scold me for not searching, but I tried...nothing useful comes up..."
"I don't want to search cause it's too much of a hassle..."

Funny, I do searches all the time, and I seem to find stuff fine.
I can understand that "turbo na" is going to spit out a BAZILLION hits, but doesn't common sense kick in???

A very good start is the stickies.
It looks like they are being IGNORED.
Easily a good 10% to 20% of posts recently would've been answered if people looked at the stickies - particularly the FAQ for FC thread, but people are getting lazy.
They want to be able to ask a question and get an answer...immediately.
I think all the people answering question should "go on strike" for a week and leave the fish flapping out of water... :P


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Oh how I've missed you Ted. Great post first one to make me laugh and smile :-D

Someone that is good in PHP may need to write up a few lines to mandate viewing of the Stickies.

I had wrote a chat room in php and flash last year, maybe a chat might be in view I dunno just a idea.

I agree on searching, I do allot when my connection is decent but you be amazed at how long it takes me on dial up. I have responded to posts I had to search for b/c I knew I have ran across good NFO recently to add to a thread and takes me 45min to give a 1 paragraph reply just b/c of my connection.

I see no issue getting rid of the sigs or making them larger. I personally try to keep it to 1 sig per thread, sometimes one slips through and as everyone knows no images just links. If people want to see your car and so on they will click the link. I prefer this b/c you are not forcing things on people and can add more valuable info into your sigs like up and coming updates. This is a great way to let regulars keep track of your progress and growth in the field. The VB garage sucks personally its poorly navigated takes for ever to setup and no one views em lol. My solution to this whole thing and I think is a wonderful contribute is a blog. I am writing up and planning on creating a blog of my work and progress. But I think a 2nd gen sub forum just for blogs be wonderfully. Reason being that users can go right there view your blogs progress get ideas and so on about our cars ask ?'s and possibly spawn more educational posts here.
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I agree on searching, I do allot when my connection is decent but you be amazed at how long it takes me on dial up. I have responded to posts I had to search for b/c I knew I have ran across good NFO recently to add to a thread and takes me 45min to give a 1 paragraph reply just b/c of my connection.
That's a good point...

I've been off dial-up since...like back in 1990...
I'd would rather drive down to the university just to get good bandwidth than stay at home stuck at 14.4kbps!
I was brought up with 2400bps being a *premium* and used to slough out on 300bps BBS's!

doh!

Now, I'm just too spoiled.
DSL at home...multi T3's at work...
Yeah, I totally forgot about dial-up.

I dunno if it's possible to strip this forum down to a text version?
That would greatly help with dial-up users...?


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That's a good point...

I've been off dial-up since...like back in 1990...
I'd would rather drive down to the university just to get good bandwidth than stay at home stuck at 14.4kbps!
I was brought up with 2400bps being a *premium* and used to slough out on 300bps BBS's!

doh!

Now, I'm just too spoiled.
DSL at home...multi T3's at work...
Yeah, I totally forgot about dial-up.

I dunno if it's possible to strip this forum down to a text version?
That would greatly help with dial-up users...?



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text version ?? that would really suck... text forums **** me off, its so disorganized and bland...
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Originally Posted by RETed
That's a good point...

I've been off dial-up since...like back in 1990...
I'd would rather drive down to the university just to get good bandwidth than stay at home stuck at 14.4kbps!
I was brought up with 2400bps being a *premium* and used to slough out on 300bps BBS's!

doh!

Now, I'm just too spoiled.
DSL at home...multi T3's at work...
Yeah, I totally forgot about dial-up.

I dunno if it's possible to strip this forum down to a text version?
That would greatly help with dial-up users...?


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im on dial up 2 days a week, the fourm aint all that bad on it, i mean on dsl it take like 5 seconds max for a page to load,and dial up it takes like 30-40 seconds it really aint all that bad
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Just browsing felix I realy dont minde. When you view pic threads or searching and or doing both to help someone it can take alot of time.
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This could get long, so I'm going to try and do this in points. Sorry for my absence, but Friday was busy at my "real" job, Saturday I had a Haltech install to finish up, and today, well I finally got time to work on my own damn car.

Regarding Mentors

The more and more I read about it, and the more and more I think, the less enthusiastic I get. It just sounds like a logistical nightmare that cures a few problems by creating many others. We are talking about a forum that gets hundreds of new members a day, and a good number of them want to post in the 2nd Gen Forum. Limiting access or having to go through a mentor's "buffer" is just not ideal. It's very confusing to newbies, can slow the postage of critical posts, and creates an enormous administration hassle. I can post with almost complete certainty that the Admins will not be interested in changing the forum's setup to support this. There are enough problems just keeping the damn thing running. Of course, if the other mods disagree, and have Admin support, then obviously I'm not going to try and stand in the way.

Regarding MARTIN's Issues
I realise that by banning you for 7 days from this forum we did you the greatest injustice you have or will ever experience, but seriously, let it die. You were banned because on at least 4 separate occasions multiple Mods asked you to change your signature. You were finally given a choice: change it within 24 hours or it would be changed for you. You then took it upon yourself to post a thread in the Suggestions area, because apparently since you have "helped people in the past" you feel that you are somehow above forum rules. An Admin saw this, thought to himself "WTF?!", and banned you for 7 days. Yes, it was only a 7 day ban. I confirmed that after the Admin in question PM'd me with the news. As for the so-called "new" signature rule, it has always existed in the main forum rules (and FAQ?). It's a very cut and dry issue. You were informed at every step of the way, and given more chances then you should have (standard forum rules is 3 warnings then a ban). Get the hell over it, and move on with your life. I'm sure I speak for the rest of the forum when I say that we no longer care. Please stop polluting this thread with a DEAD ISSUE (and what is that, 3 months ago anyway?).

Regarding the "Report This Post" Function
As mentioned, the "Report This Post" (little ! mark at the bottom left of each post) is truly the most effective way to get a moderator into action. I'm actually going to tell you all a secret: When someone reports a post, I actually get paged on my Blackberry. So if it's 9AM-5PM, and I am near a computer, I will usually immediately stop what I am doing and take any necessary action. I have been known to pull the car over, find an open Wi-Fi network, and "borrow" some bandwidth for a few minutes...

Regarding Bandwidth and a Text Forum
Speaking of bandwidth, I would LOVE to see a plain text (or minimally formatted) skin for this forum. But I asked the Admins about this a while ago, and they said that it won't be done. Such is life.

Regarding Signatures
I honestly don't know what the big deal is with signatures. The only reason I post mine is so that I can quickly scroll through a thread and find my initial post. Then I use my avatar as a marker. Traditionally, signatures (and we're talking back in the days of BBSs) had only a few lines of text, and a quote. Now, the wonders of technology allows the use of actual graphics! And you get 460 x 200 and 20K. That's 92,000 pixels and 20,480 bytes! Be glad you're not using 300 baud modem (with acoustic coupler) and Telix, otherwise you would still have to download the graphics separately and use CShow to view them...

Regarding The Search
I use the search quite often to find past topics, my old posts, etc. and it's useful. You do sort of need to have the knack to pick out the right search terms, which can take some practice. Try searching for "injector size" and you see what I mean. Now, try "hybrid turbo injector" and it will work much better. The advanced options are your friend. Check the little box that says "All Words" and magic begins to happen. This is another reeson desent speelng is imprtent. No one searches for "injecter" or "ingecter". FYI, the new Google Toolbar has an amazing spell check feature.

Regarding The Outback Steakhouse
Yes, the Outback in Canada does now suck, because they no longer have my favourite pork chops. The Outback in the US still sells them, however. When I was in Indy for Revolution, I ate there twice in 4 days. Sometimes, I drive to Michigan (2 hour drive by Insight) and cross the border just to eat there.

Uh, I think that's everything.
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