ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS: New Rules/Guidelines Posted
08-26-05, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 1987RX7guy
Its perplexing to say the least to see how Jarret and James have responded to what me, several other people, and one or two mods thing is a good idea.
08-26-05, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Rat
I have never left a newbie out in the cold, because I wasnt left out in the cold when I was new.
I dunno Santiago, 15 years in the military, I suppose you could say I have led from time to time.
Hell, I tried that with you, and it didnt work. Your response was basically "I dont care", or "let them ban me". You remember that? I DID try to mentor you and you shot me down. Now you are championing the cause for mentorship. The irony is almost unbearable.
Anyways, I am not here to discredit you, I just wanted to point out the facts. Some of us have been trying to mentor all along.
I dunno Santiago, 15 years in the military, I suppose you could say I have led from time to time.
Hell, I tried that with you, and it didnt work. Your response was basically "I dont care", or "let them ban me". You remember that? I DID try to mentor you and you shot me down. Now you are championing the cause for mentorship. The irony is almost unbearable.
Anyways, I am not here to discredit you, I just wanted to point out the facts. Some of us have been trying to mentor all along.
1- I wasn't trying to say you weren't a leader, infact the exact opposite. But not all people are.
2- Yes you did, perhaps you don't remember how I was before you and me used to chat on aim. I would definately say i've grown, if only a little. The main point against you would be that your mentoring attempt wasn't in a controlled environment. A group membership in the forum would be a controlled environment. A new member could not possibly get into the tech section without permissions to be on the FC tech section group so it would be impossible to circumvent the system unless you had a softie mentor that let you pass before your time.
3- I honestly don't see the point of my hypocritic(sp?) moments being exposed. If its a good idea, which I think it is, it should really be backed for the good of everyone. I don't see any problems other than putting the work down and having dedicated mentors.
I don't pretend to be the prime candidate to be a mentor but i'm willing to give it a shot if its acceptable to the mods, if not then so be it. I know exactly what kind of person I am and don't necessarily need to be called out on it because I know I often go to far in a lot of threads, which is why I am trying to focus some positive energy towards being and doing good. Its not impossible to have a change of heart ya know
Anyhow we're deviating from the topic of this thread, the rules. I'll be able to PM my little diagrams to the mods and see if they like the idea I had and the implementation methods I had originally envisioned for it later tonight as my FTP client is down
08-26-05, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SidewaysFC
Attacks on moderators and admins, in public or in private, will result in an immediate ban.
yet it takes multiple attacks on us "normies" before someone gets banned? ...where does the playing field level?
yet it takes multiple attacks on us "normies" before someone gets banned? ...where does the playing field level?
Obviously there are different types of attacking. There are some types that if directed towards a mod WONT get you banned, and there are some types that will. Same thing with normal members, some will some wont, you just have to TELL us when this happens. The problem is that no one hardly reports these issues they have, they just bitch about it and turn the thread into a flame war. If there is an issue, ignore it, PM one of us (or report it), and go on with your day.
The reason that was written into the forum rules (all not just 2nd gen section), is because mods and admins have had very large issues in the past where people get quite angry when they are warned or have their thread closed. A recent example was that Icemark closed one persons multiple, pointless, and possibly spamming threads, and the person then spammed 2nd gen tech with very inappropriate comments about Icemark.
08-26-05, 02:49 PM
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i still think its a better idea to allow, as stated, noobs to post in non tech sections and to read anything, but no posting in 1/2/3 gen sections till they have built up 100-150 posts in the mentor section, this will not hinder them getting information as the mentors will have the knowledge to answer all questions. then after the 100-150 posts in the mentor/noob section they can roam and post freely
08-26-05, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
Whats 'perplexing' is implementing a system that requires more work, just because you guys cant stand a couple of useless threads.
You're well aware that it is not just a couple. You nor me would likely be doing the work if you or I didn't want to stand up and do it. The state of things clearly shows the mods that more work is needed one way or another. But pro-active activity is better than retro-active ones imo.
Perhaps if there weren't a couple of useless threads every hour or so the forum could get down to some real interesting topics that actually involve technical discussion so that some of us that don't know about it could learn without having so many junk threads lying around. Maybe we could search accuratly and not have to dive into a 5, 10, 15 or more page search result because 50 or 60 new members asked the same question. Maybe we could get some MORE good write-ups from intelligent and more educated people because they're not all driven away by the flame wars(not declaring my own lack of guilt) , useless topics and endless fighting. We've lost a lot of good rotarheads that way. Maybe we could get some good archives going. Its a bunch of maybes, granted, but if it gets us going in the right direction the benefits will outweigh the work. That you don't seem to be volunteering for anyhow......
08-26-05, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dDuB
Obviously there are different types of attacking. There are some types that if directed towards a mod WONT get you banned, and there are some types that will. Same thing with normal members, some will some wont, you just have to TELL us when this happens. The problem is that no one hardly reports these issues they have, they just bitch about it and turn the thread into a flame war. If there is an issue, ignore it, PM one of us (or report it), and go on with your day.
The reason that was written into the forum rules (all not just 2nd gen section), is because mods and admins have had very large issues in the past where people get quite angry when they are warned or have their thread closed. A recent example was that Icemark closed one persons multiple, pointless, and possibly spamming threads, and the person then spammed 2nd gen tech with very inappropriate comments about Icemark.
The reason that was written into the forum rules (all not just 2nd gen section), is because mods and admins have had very large issues in the past where people get quite angry when they are warned or have their thread closed. A recent example was that Icemark closed one persons multiple, pointless, and possibly spamming threads, and the person then spammed 2nd gen tech with very inappropriate comments about Icemark.
08-26-05, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 1987RX7guy
You're well aware that it is not just a couple. You nor me would likely be doing the work if you or I didn't want to stand up and do it. The state of things clearly shows the mods that more work is needed one way or another. But pro-active activity is better than retro-active ones imo.
Perhaps if there weren't a couple of useless threads every hour or so the forum could get down to some real interesting topics that actually involve technical discussion so that some of us that don't know about it could learn without having so many junk threads lying around. Maybe we could search accuratly and not have to dive into a 5, 10, 15 or more page search result because 50 or 60 new members asked the same question. Maybe we could get some MORE good write-ups from intelligent and more educated people because they're not all driven away by the flame wars(not declaring my own lack of guilt) , useless topics and endless fighting. We've lost a lot of good rotarheads that way. Maybe we could get some good archives going. Its a bunch of maybes, granted, but if it gets us going in the right direction the benefits will outweigh the work. That you don't seem to be volunteering for anyhow......
Perhaps if there weren't a couple of useless threads every hour or so the forum could get down to some real interesting topics that actually involve technical discussion so that some of us that don't know about it could learn without having so many junk threads lying around. Maybe we could search accuratly and not have to dive into a 5, 10, 15 or more page search result because 50 or 60 new members asked the same question. Maybe we could get some MORE good write-ups from intelligent and more educated people because they're not all driven away by the flame wars(not declaring my own lack of guilt) , useless topics and endless fighting. We've lost a lot of good rotarheads that way. Maybe we could get some good archives going. Its a bunch of maybes, granted, but if it gets us going in the right direction the benefits will outweigh the work. That you don't seem to be volunteering for anyhow......
08-26-05, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Agent_D
i still think its a better idea to allow, as stated, noobs to post in non tech sections and to read anything, but no posting in 1/2/3 gen sections till they have built up 100-150 posts in the mentor section, this will not hinder them getting information as the mentors will have the knowledge to answer all questions. then after the 100-150 posts in the mentor/noob section they can roam and post freely
The obvious advantage for having the mentors in control of who passes on, is that the trolls and troublemakers won't get through the n00b filter. If you're rude and disruptful, then noone is going to okay your passage into the holy land that is the tech sections
If you're nice to people, you'll get on your way quicker and easier, and probably with more knowledge.. And then the forum will start to resemble real life a bit more.Maybe the option could exist for the supermods/tech section mods to demote people back to n00bville. You see people who are causing a problem, they're back to n00bville for "reeducation".
EDIT: I don't think Member fees are the solution. If you pay to hang out on the Rx7club.com, you deserve to have your questions answered. This is exactly the line of thought most people will have. If you've never worked with customer service, it's a rude awakening. Customers want INSTANT graditication. The only thing separating us from a community of car enthusists and a bunch of customers is a fee. Besides, information wants to be free. Limiting it will hurt the community as a whole.
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08-26-05, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane
The obvious downside to the post count, as previously stated, is that post counts can be largely meaningless. The person could have went into the n00b section and just kept posting random stuff like "Nice car" 100 times..
The obvious advantage for having the mentors in control of who passes on, is that the trolls and troublemakers won't get through the n00b filter. If you're rude and disruptful, then noone is going to okay your passage into the holy land that is the tech sections If you're nice to people, you'll get on your way quicker and easier, and probably with more knowledge.. And then the forum will start to resemble real life a bit more.
Maybe the option could exist for the supermods/tech section mods to demote people back to n00bville. You see people who are causing a problem, they're back to n00bville for "reeducation".
The obvious advantage for having the mentors in control of who passes on, is that the trolls and troublemakers won't get through the n00b filter. If you're rude and disruptful, then noone is going to okay your passage into the holy land that is the tech sections
If you're nice to people, you'll get on your way quicker and easier, and probably with more knowledge.. And then the forum will start to resemble real life a bit more.Maybe the option could exist for the supermods/tech section mods to demote people back to n00bville. You see people who are causing a problem, they're back to n00bville for "reeducation".
08-26-05, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SidewaysFC
Your just giving mods more "powers" then.
Seriously, if someone is being disruptive, they're within their rights to ban/kick the user for indefinate period of time. Read the terms of service, this is for ANY REASON. Sure, our mods are good, level headed people, but they don't actually HAVE to be. This just gives them a step between n00b disruptive person annoying everyone, and outright ban.
08-26-05, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane
Maybe the option could exist for the supermods/tech section mods to demote people back to n00bville. You see people who are causing a problem, they're back to n00bville for "reeducation".
It is a very simple task that would only need cooperation and dedication of the group leaders/mods.
I don't know why Aaron took an hour to reply, maybe he was calling the UN and making sure it was diplomatic enough?(I kid I kid....)
But I could do that kind of stuff within a couple of minutes.
08-26-05, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 1987RX7guy
you just keep hitting my ideas on the nose!
It is a very simple task that would only need cooperation and dedication of the group leaders/mods.
I don't know why Aaron took an hour to reply, maybe he was calling the UN and making sure it was diplomatic enough?(I kid I kid....)
But I could do that kind of stuff within a couple of minutes.
It is a very simple task that would only need cooperation and dedication of the group leaders/mods.
I don't know why Aaron took an hour to reply, maybe he was calling the UN and making sure it was diplomatic enough?(I kid I kid....)
But I could do that kind of stuff within a couple of minutes.
08-26-05, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dDuB
Sorry but I have to mention here, that you were temporarily banned for more reasons than that. You were repeatedly warned about your signature per the ENTIRE forums rules that can be found under the Lounge section link. You were warned by Aaron a couple times if I recall, and did nothing. I then warned you, your response in the PM was "ok" and you did nothing. Then you created a suggestion thread bitching about the rules and still refused to change your signature pictures (multiple ones that were too large). Not trying to start another argument, but don't make it sound like you were the victim. You were given multiple opportunities to fix things, and you continued to do nothing, claim you were going to, and then bitch about it.
The ultimate decision was not Icemark, Aaron, or I, it was one of the admins. Get over it.
The ultimate decision was not Icemark, Aaron, or I, it was one of the admins. Get over it.
08-26-05, 03:45 PM
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For those of you interested in the mentor setup I mentioned. I'm going to have a demonstration of how it would work. The demo will be on my forum on aztechrotary.com
IF you aren't registered just register(takes less time than rx7club) and PM "Santiago" so I can show you all how it would work.
IF you aren't registered just register(takes less time than rx7club) and PM "Santiago" so I can show you all how it would work.
08-26-05, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Rat
You know what I found works more then anything else? The good old "report this post" button.
I generally report it while i'm chatting with Ddub or Aaron, straight to their IM window.
But the fact remains that it would be a good effort to undertake. Your oppinion that it is too much work is a moot point unless you're charged with doing it all.
08-26-05, 04:52 PM
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\I dont recalll providing an opinion on this subject either way.
What's quoted below seems to come off as an oppinion. Perhpas I misinterpreted the meaning of "just hire one or two more mods" As an unfavorable view towards my idea. If so, my bad....
Originally Posted by J-Rat
Your talking like its an epidemic or something.. Just hire one or two more mods can fill the 2 hour gaps when Aaron, Ice, and Ddub arent on. This isnt like re-inventing the wheel, its a simple case of too much workload vs too little manpower. Hell, Aaron even said it himself when he stated it took him an hour just to reply to one thread.
This forum hasnt gone to hell, its just got some problems thats all. Newbs will exist, and they will do dumb things like ask questions without searching. Thats why we call then "newbs". All I want to see stopped is the constant posting of misinformation by people looking to inflate thier post counts (almost sounds like someone else we know...). Now that the mods are realizing that its happening a lot, they are taking steps to correct the problem.
No reason to overcompensate..
This forum hasnt gone to hell, its just got some problems thats all. Newbs will exist, and they will do dumb things like ask questions without searching. Thats why we call then "newbs". All I want to see stopped is the constant posting of misinformation by people looking to inflate thier post counts (almost sounds like someone else we know...). Now that the mods are realizing that its happening a lot, they are taking steps to correct the problem.
No reason to overcompensate..
08-26-05, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SidewaysFC
Valid. But the small things like being soo soo strict about a signature size or other simple matters just seems so silly. I can see the point obviously, but it would be more justified if there was an annual member fee. I guess that would give more reason to enforce rules.
The forum, in the official rules under the Lounge section, it said something to the effect of signature pictures could not be greater than 400x300 (can't remember the exact dimensions) or 20k in size, and picture/text combination signatures couldn't exceed 6 lines. Recently someone redrafted them to merely say 6 lines of text and a file size limit, don't know why.
No one ever paid attention to this rule, so many people don't even realize this is really nothing new.
08-26-05, 05:42 PM
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I'd encourage anyone who is questioning or thinking about the n00b sectiont hing, go check out http://www.aztechrotary.com, and talk to Santiago about setting up a demo.. it's a pretty cool, easy to impliment method he has going on over there.
08-26-05, 06:08 PM
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Yes definately i'll welcome the mods into my forum and give you all a demo of what I have so far.
AgentD and WonkTheSane amongst others have gotten a little demo and explinations over AIM/Yahoo/MSN messengers.
If I can do it on my free software forum in a couple of minutes I'm sure that merciless can do it on this badass forum!
EDIT- I will be away from the admin. screen for some time while I get home so please bare with me as I will be about an hour till I can help with demo's again, register in the mean time.
AgentD and WonkTheSane amongst others have gotten a little demo and explinations over AIM/Yahoo/MSN messengers.
If I can do it on my free software forum in a couple of minutes I'm sure that merciless can do it on this badass forum!
EDIT- I will be away from the admin. screen for some time while I get home so please bare with me as I will be about an hour till I can help with demo's again, register in the mean time.