1987RX7guy

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James, thats your POV. None of the forum problems cause us physical pain or really bother us. But it does cause problems when its repeated by every new member on here.

From the time I joined up this forum has more than quadrupled its member count. Most of the people here before the hack know how much bigger and cumbersome it is now.


I don't see what your specific problem is with having a Mentor/protoge system set-up.


By your standards: Will it harm you if you don't see spam/troll/flamewars? Will it bother you?

SonicRaT

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Yes it will, I'll have no one to pick on!

1987RX7guy

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Hahaha, I just a tad sure that's what the mods are trying to stop by changing the rules. Maybe if you're nice you could be a mentor and get some satisfaction out of your forum experience by helping rather than bloddying up the newbs.

SonicRaT

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I've already gone through the 'nice guy' phase, now it's onto the god complex.

Mura

Wait, wait, I have an idea for the New User Agreement Form. I've seent his done when it came to installing programs and games. If you can, do it like this. The "Agree" button will be grayed out until the scroll bar has reached the bottom. In other words, with the scroll bar at the top, the "Agree" button is unclickable Once you've scrolled down to the very bottom, and I mean the very bottom, it's clickable. If you can do this using the BBS, or B-something, then it would be a good idea.

1987RX7guy

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I think anyone that's installed a few proggies knows that you just scroll down without reading.

Mura

Hey, hey, hey, it's an idea.

1987RX7guy

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I know but its easily circumvented.

Mura

How about making it to where any new member has to have atleast 100, or lets say 150 posts, to make a thread.

SonicRaT

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That makes it impossible for someone with a real problem that hasn't been answered before (or can't be found), to get help.

1987RX7guy

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I think something like that would help but even so some of the forum members can rack that count up in less than a week.

Personally i've had daily post count of 18 at time's on my avg counter. So that would be say a week of unknown posting.


I guess what the mentoring thing would really provide is a hands on person to person communication tool that would be used to guide and mold new members, which I believe would be extremely beneficial.


Also 100 posts could be racked up in the "kills" section or some other "lounge'ish" section making it a hit or miss policy.

Agent_D

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hmmm if possible what we could have, is as suggested, a 100-150 post count before being able to post in the section, BUT, have it set so that with new members they are forwarded to the mentor forum until they rack up that 100-150 post count in the mentor forum. a decent idea

i was gonna say about the scrolling to accept too, but as you said, way too easy, and anyone with basic computer knowledge knows you can just scroll, although i have seen a few with time limits, you cant hit accept for 15 mins or so.

firestarter810

I recently posted a coolant light/buzzer thread. When making sharp turns, I thought the coolant buzzer and light was going off. In reality it was the low oil light. If I had to wait for 100-150 posts to start a thread, I might have not caught the problem soon enough and it would have been new engine time.

I've stated that the reason I have a low post count is that I'm still learning and I don't weigh in when I don't know the answer. Honestly, I spend way more time READING this forum than misinforming or flaming or anything else. So does that mean I deserve to be NOT-able to get the help I need and maybe blow up my engine?

Well, that's a helluva way to attract new members. "RX7club will only help you if you're a guru who already contributed, although mindlessly, 150 times". Where is the sense in that?

J-Rat

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Your talking like its an epidemic or something.. Just hire one or two more mods can fill the 2 hour gaps when Aaron, Ice, and Ddub arent on. This isnt like re-inventing the wheel, its a simple case of too much workload vs too little manpower. Hell, Aaron even said it himself when he stated it took him an hour just to reply to one thread.

This forum hasnt gone to hell, its just got some problems thats all. Newbs will exist, and they will do dumb things like ask questions without searching. Thats why we call then "newbs". All I want to see stopped is the constant posting of misinformation by people looking to inflate thier post counts (almost sounds like someone else we know...). Now that the mods are realizing that its happening a lot, they are taking steps to correct the problem.

No reason to overcompensate..

1987RX7guy

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Again I fail to see the problem with having an active engagement(sp?) of newbs to help them get out of that newb stage faster? I don't see how it would hurt if people are willing to do it. I've gotten IM's from a couple of members on here saying it was a good idea and to let them know if it goes through. If the will is there why not?

1987RX7guy

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Exactly, the mentor setup would have people willing to help newbies for a time periord during which the members could address questions through mentor(s) and at the end of the time period, perhaps even at mentor discression, they would be allowed a non-limited access to the FC tech section.

J-Rat

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Ahhh.. This is great..

I remember the time when you were the flame king of the world. In fact, you were inches away from being banned. Now look at you.. How you've grown! *sniff*

My .02

I dont see how you can take the moral high ground on the issue of misinformation when you used to do the same thing.

WonkoTheSane

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If we're going to do a n00b/protege' section, here's how I think it should be done.

New user signs up

New User has access to read/search any section of the forum

New User has write permission to post in any of the non-technical forums (or even the tires/suspension/bodywork threads, too), and of course the n00b section. He will NOT be able to create/post in the regular 1/2/3rd gen tech sections.

Volunteer (n00b section) mods will police the n00b sections, helping people out, providing links to relevant threads, etc, etc, etc..

If a n00b section mod feels that New User has surpassed the n00b status, or at least learned to properly search, then the n00b mod can give permission to New User to post into the technical section.

That's my take on it.

Maybe the n00b section's posts only hang out for 30 days or 5 pages worth?

SidewaysFC

Attacks on moderators and admins, in public or in private, will result in an immediate ban.

yet it takes multiple attacks on us "normies" before someone gets banned? ...where does the playing field level?

this is only a forum, but "some" of the admins treat it like some authoritarian government. whats the deal? ...lighten up or charge a fee to be a member. i bet that will weed out a lot of the unwanted bullshitters here. after that, there may not be a need for so many admins.

that's a serious suggestion. make an annual fee to be a member. youll profit and have to deal with probably half the bullshit that is out there. only then can i justify this forum being so strict.

you can make money on member status AND the ads and sponsors.

1987RX7guy

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You're dodging the issue.


Ofcoarse i'm a flame king, I did mention i'm "harsh" its my nature and way of acting, even in real life talk with wankel7 and he'll tell you as such, of that i'm sure. But that doesn't make it "ok" to leave newbies out in the cold only to be faced by moderator action, rather than someone actually helping in a GOOD way to teach you about what your asking and other things at the same time.


Jarret, perhaps you've always been a leader perhaps not but I know a lot of kids these days could use someone to guide them maybe its not going to matter much because, after all, its just a little car forum and life is much more coplex than that. But what if we help these kids to NOT be flame kings like me and not spread misinformation like some of us have/do/will(inadvertently mostly), and not be trolls. Wouldn't that make you feel good about what you did for the forum and for the new enthusiasts? Thats the whole benefit to being a mentor or a protoge, doing something good and feeling great about it! The physical changes that would likely occur in the forum would be secondary effects resulting from more intelligent and better informed members.

SonicRaT

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It never does, cuz you're worthless!

1987RX7guy

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This is almost an identical plan to mine, I showed some basic flow diagrams of how it may work to Ddub last night and he thought it was a nice idea. I'm not sure if he liked it to the point that he would back it but it was a promising exchange between me and him. Its unfortunate that the 'rats on the forum are for some reason so greatly opposed to something that would be a positive and uplifting thing for our forum. If successful it could easily be "ported" to all the other technical sections.


Perhaps if it was a more liked member and not the Oh so evil Rice **** 1987rx7guy proposing it they would back it up.

Its perplexing to say the least to see how Jarret and James have responded to what me, several other people, and one or two mods thing is a good idea.

J-Rat

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I have never left a newbie out in the cold, because I wasnt left out in the cold when I was new.

I dunno Santiago, 15 years in the military, I suppose you could say I have led from time to time.

Hell, I tried that with you, and it didnt work. Your response was basically "I dont care", or "let them ban me". You remember that? I DID try to mentor you and you shot me down. Now you are championing the cause for mentorship. The irony is almost unbearable.

Anyways, I am not here to discredit you, I just wanted to point out the facts. Some of us have been trying to mentor all along.

MARTIN

It doesnt.... I was banned for disagreeing with a mod and I been here 4+ years..
I used what a admin/godmod told me as a guideline and was banned because of it.. Some make it a point to prove they have more "rank" than others..

Just follow the rules and listen to what certain mods tell you and you wont have a prob... and try not to disagree as they seem to have the ultimate word.. but there are some awesome mods and you can learn alot from them...

ddub

Sorry but I have to mention here, that you were temporarily banned for more reasons than that. You were repeatedly warned about your signature per the ENTIRE forums rules that can be found under the Lounge section link. You were warned by Aaron a couple times if I recall, and did nothing. I then warned you, your response in the PM was "ok" and you did nothing. Then you created a suggestion thread bitching about the rules and still refused to change your signature pictures (multiple ones that were too large). Not trying to start another argument, but don't make it sound like you were the victim. You were given multiple opportunities to fix things, and you continued to do nothing, claim you were going to, and then bitch about it.

The ultimate decision was not Icemark, Aaron, or I, it was one of the admins. Get over it.