Agent_D

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heil aaron (sticks out arm in hitler fashion)

fine if thats what your gonna do for that stupid sarcastic remark, give me a 7 day break from the forum, im one of the only people who likes to help noobs, i'll answer a question over and over, im not some little bitch that wastes bandwidth by saying *search for it*.

i agree with rx7guy, mentor program, i would gladly take part in this as i like to help my fellow rx-7 enthusiast. i think there should be a penalty for telling someone to search in a thread that has been asked over and over, no matter who it is saying to search..., cause its just stupid, you have the control over your mouse and keyboard, so skipping over it is a very very simple task, dont come back saying that they tell to search to help for the future, thats bs, you dont even have to read it if you dont want to, but you waste your time doing it anyways.

you really want to be helpful, yes i think the sig should pertain to this forum, my sarcastic remark was just that, sarcastic, you took it offensively and as a hostile remark, you take it anyway you like, i think mods should be people willing to help out members, i know icemark has a whole bunch in the past, but nowadays he's just like the others *do a search* but he does at least post some helpful information before saying to search, so it cancels out. i remember back in the day when even you were asking for help aaron, we were all noobs at one point, dont treat the current noobs like you didnt want to be treated back when.

i also agree on the part of having a screen come up, thats controlled by cookies like the login, about reading the rules before posting, maybe have a script where they can not look at any part of the forum till they have read through them.

mis information should be punished, i agree, but only if its done in a repetitive/malicious manner, and a ban after several warnings is in order, if mis information is given as an accident, or lack of knowledge and not done intentionally, a warning is still in issue by PM but shouldnt be taken seriously unless its done over and over by the same person.

i think that covers a lot of what i was gonna post anyways.

gxlbiscuit

it must be fun to pretend to be a mini -od of a mini-planet/universe..... its kinda like being the lil girl at school in the back of the class that was the snitch with the lil fluorescent orange band across her chest......... i second agent_d some people cant take any flaq sent back at them without going ape$h!t or pouting about it..... i remember when i didnt know what a mod was cuz they just sat back and did there job ina mellow way if you did something they would handle it.. i now i just know of some of the mods cuz of how some them act.... i said something to the point of some of a mods job was to monitor and clean up the content of the stuff on the forum and a mod went bezerko and deleted my post and sent me a nasty gram
im so tired of the whole "do a search" bit im sure some mod has jumped on me before for addressing this.. but its such a waste of energy or a "i wish a could be a man kick" to say it. alot of people do searches before bugging people and sometimes its not easy to find out of the multiple post that are just noise from a search cuz it had a common word. sometimes a post will start out talking about one thing and end up talking about something else ok ok ALL THE TIME. so sometimes what you are looking for isnt even in a thread you were looking for. the only reason you type "do a search" and that be the only thing you type is cuz you had a bad day at work and got whored AGAIN and need to take it out on someone.. jeezus people its just the internet. if it makes you feel better about yourself im sure this plague will just continue....... i can tolerate "its in the FAQ cuz its a definant point for info... lighten up people the forum is losing its helpfulness and its fun.... the forum is nothing like it was when i joined 4 or 5 years ago. no one should have to hesitate to ask a question and when you people see newbies you just attack them geesh.. so uncool

WonkoTheSane

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As far as I can see, the only thing that's really changed is the "misinformation" rule, right? I mean, the rest of it seemed pretty common sense to me... Admittedly, that doesn't actually translate to it being carried out, even a fraction of the time.. but it seemed logical

In unrelated news.. I'd volunteer to be a "n00b mentor".. I've already done it quite often due to this board, so having a dedicated IRC channel, or an AIM chat or something for it wouldn't be out of line. It would keep the clutter out of the boards for things like "how do you do the sleepy eye mod, y0!?one!". Bloody brilliant idea, 1987RX7guy.

Maybe a list of AIM names, or email addresses can be added to the "confirmation" email from the forum? I think it would be a great primer to the forum, and then people feel like they already know something/someone, before they even post.

RotaryResurrection

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Aaron...if the rule about sig size and posting was made (and enforced) to accomodate those users with slow connections or machines, yet everyone here (so far) agrees that it is a moot point because those users, in however small a category they fall, can opt out of loading or viewing the stuff anyway. So why are we trying to accomodate them in the first place?

If they aren't aware that they can turn it off (I wasn't, but then, I wouldn't have a reason to care anyway) then wait until they say something (it's unlikely anyone would) and then explain it to them. Why penalize everyone else in the meantime? ONe less thing for you guys to bitch about, one less thing for us users to worry about.

I say increase the sig size slightly and enact the above mentioned one-sig-per-thread-per-person rule and this problem will go away. You guys are trying to enforce something that is irrelevant, IMO.

WonkoTheSane

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Kevin - The thing is, if there's no limit, or even a larger limit, people would take it out of hand.. I've got a rather nice computer, and a fat pipe, but I'm still annoyed by too large of images when i'm trying to read. Maybe double the size, if that.. If they want to post more, Post a link.

RotaryResurrection

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I didn't say no limit...as I suggested above, I think a 640x480 40k pic would be more than sufficient and still reasonable. It fits in the normal screen size without scrolling. If you figure that one of every 4 users has a pic in their sig, and a page is 30 or so posts long, that's only going to be maybe 8 pictures to load...no big deal.

iceblue

I am on dial up and it sux. It takes me 2 min a thread to load and more if there is pics. I’ve had threads take frigin 15min b/c people decide to post uncompressed .bmp images.

I agree it should be I say 40k a thread and 1.5x in size. Now if you can not compress a .jpg into 40k and that size then you do not need to be posting pics at all anyhow. As well .bmp should be taken out of the code for acceptable formats, it is just to large. Keep it jpg, gif, png.

I say it is hard fitting a decent pic into the guidelines as they are.

felixwankel88

i agree 100%

also im agreeing to this and im on dial up 2-3 days a week

J-Rat

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My .02...

I am just going to sit back and continue helping the best I can. When I came to this forum, I was a newbie. I asked a dumb question and got the "search" answer, and I learned. I used this forum as tool to educate myself on the FC (that and I read the FSM). When it was all said and done, I swore that I would give back to this community what it gave me.

My only gripe about the "new regime", if you will (because we have had quite a turnover of moderators over the years), is this:

Will there be avenues of redress if you feel a moderator has acted in error? I am not saying that our mods are uneducated about the FC, but merely pointing out that mods are still human, and they will make a mistake from time to time. Will engaging a moderator over an alleged wrong cause the said mod to become enraged? Or are the mods willing to be patient listeners to the other side of the story? Put it another way, are the mods subject to a system of "checks and balances" in order to prevent the "**** Mod" syndrome?

I know the mods have a hard time with this section, because it is the largest section on the 7club. So maybe its time for some of us older members to stop fighting the mods and start helping?

hondahater

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take me for example lol

firestarter810

Respectfully offer input and ask questions?
I think you got the wrong forum.

I understand that people asking questions that have already been answered takes up valuable space. But people are still going to do it, regardless of how many times you say "search, noob". So the way I see it, the better options are a) leave the thread unanswered, so that eventually they get the hint and search or read the FAQ, or b)tell them their answer and politely tell them to search next time.

Post count? The reason I don't have a super high post count is, I believe, because I use this forum for what it is intended for. I look for information. I post when I have a question that I don't know the answer to, or cannot find the answer to. I do not feel the need to comment on everything around here, whether it be to give someone a pat on the back "nice rims, man" or to just give my two cents worth.

I don't think the mods have to lighten up. I think they need to be more discreet about it. If you delete a thread, or ban someone, or whatever the case may be; why announce it to everyone? Why make a target of yourself so that people take pot shots? Just do your job guys. Do what you feel is fair, and right, and PM the offender explaining why you did what you did. You are gonna get some guy airing it out in the forum from time to time. But I think the majority of us will realize that we were in the wrong (as long as you AREN'T acting like a pack o *****) and accept a fair judgement.

iceblue

I agree with J-Rat. Maybe we should stop saying search so much. Maybe we should add a little more into the FAQ. In honesty our REX's are the cheapest and readily available in this causes allot of younger kids and n00bs to our section. Thoughts that are technically inclined and mechanically inclined for some years tend to get agitated at these ?'s such as how do I put S5 tails in my S4 b/c they don’t fit. Maybe these mechanic gurus could just give a quick beat the brace with a hammer and say this is covered allot a search could help you along your journeys here. A simple search does no one any good. All that happens is the search becomes filled with threads that say search.

This is a learning environment and the only way you learn is read and trial and error. This means you read and reply as you read or from experience. If you are wrong you get corrected with proper information this causes 2 things to happen. 1. The user just learned the correct way. 2. The correct way is now added to the community upon a search. If someone reads on here and repeats what they learned and it is wrong then we here or seasoned members only have themselves to blame for not correcting the information first properly. Simply removing the info and chanting mis info does no one on here any good, and will reside the previous source to lead more members into false information.

SonicRaT

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If you think you can keep me banned Aaron, give it a try. Short of taking it offline, you'll be hard pressed to keep out 12 class B's

(And, for further notice, that was all posted simply because of all the mods I knew YOU would be the one to reply to it, simply because even if it IS sarcasm, you have to throw in your two cents and warn of consequences if it isn't, not that I give much a damn either way, but whatever, lol, it sure did get a good laugh out of me and everyone else who knew!)

RotaryResurrection

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SonicRaT

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Sorry old timer, this is over your head

Icemark

nah, I think I am considered just as evil- if not more...and I am sure the dDub thinks the same thing about himself.

But what is all this whining about signatures??? I mean come on. The admins current rules for the whole forum is that images and words are not bigger than 6 lines of text.

I just don't get why anyone would even want much bigger than 400x600

RotaryResurrection

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400x600 is a great bit better than 200x400 or whatever it is now...

I wouldn't say it's whining...it's obvious that you guys are going to do and say whatever you want and there's nothing any of us can do about it. But, you asked, and here is your reply, take it or leave it. IF you guys didnt want opinions, you shouldnt have left the invitation open to give them.

SonicRaT

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yes, icemark you are definatly more evil, lol, there's just other reasons why people have the more issues with Aaron (read ****!), lol, generally because of his sometimes hypocritical and above all other methods sometimes, and I just like gettin him all worked up, lol, everytime he's mad I just think of Scott from southpark, anywho, lol.

eViLRotor

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It is interesting that signature size is one of the the main issues of concern. Who the hell cares so much about signatures?

Anyone that has been here for some time, knows what cars and mods we have or what we do.

1995hoo

Mods--

Regarding the guideline calling for proper spelling and grammar, I suggest you add a clarification noting that this means not to use instant message codec when posting--that is, spell stuff out! A lot of these kids these days seem not to understand that IM codec should be reserved for IM usage when using a cell phone (given that it is a pain in the **** to type things out) or in a chat room, and thus they regard it as being proper spelling. Darn annoying for anyone over the age of about 22 to have to try to decipher that stuff.

(Of course, standard Internet abbreviations like WTF, LOL, IMO, etc. would not fall within the above because they are fairly universal. IM codec most certainly is not!)

inflatablepets

I prettymuch agree with you. I think Aaron takes things a little overboard. I look in the 2nd gen section frequently but don't post very often. I understand this is for technical questions, however I believe if he had his way this section would be so dry and uninteresting. I think Aaron should back off just a bit. I agree we need these rules too. I don't consider Icemark evil though. I think he gets on his high horse now and then but I think he has excellent smarts to back up his points. He seems a bit more laid back, as I have seen him also make unnessesary posts on occasion. Note: I am not attacking anyone here, I just wanted my e-voice heard.

inflatablepets

I agree 100% I think that AOL speak should be a criminal offence, or at least the guilty should be warned not to do it. It has created an interesting flame-war before. I remember a case where Felixwankel88 was serverly flamed. I got a laugh out of the thread but I stuck up for his character then.

SonicRaT

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Ah, I just call Icemark evil for the same reason Ted's evil, the experienced intelligent yet witty remarks that leave you feeling bitchslapped.

ddub

**** I step away for the day to build my engine and all hell breaks loose!

I'll catch up on this later, but from skimming I think I got it. Oh and I've been called evil, a dick, an *******, and many other names before by members I've warned or closed threads on. **** some smart *** in the lounge I warned called me "old man" and to mind my own business!

Aaron Cake

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My only concern is that this may be logistically impossible. Keeping track of noobies vs. mentors, and how it all works out could be challenging to say the least. I would almost think that it would require a software solution. Of course, it could be as simple as a sticky thread listing who belongs to who. If you can think of a way to make it work with a minimum of fuss, then I'm sure that many of us here would be willing to give it a shot.

Wow. Comparisons with Hitler. I had no idea that I had become infamous...

But can you not see how you have done exactly what these guidelines/rules are here to prevent? All it would have taken would be a simple rephrase of your question. Clearly, you are not banned for 7 days. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't sit down for 2 minutes and reread the rules.

If we can make it work, then I think it is a good idea.

I believe that it says in the guidelines that if a user is found to be doing nothing but making "search!" posts, then they will be contacted by the mods. Perhaps you should give that thread another read?

Step back and look at it from another person's perspective. There was nothing to indicate that it was NOT a hostile remark. No smilies, no "LOL", nothing. The Internet is a cold medium. People tend to take things at face value.

Everyone has asked questions, and I am no different. And in case you have not noticed, 95% of my posts are STILL giving people help (though I sometimes do the "Search" post as well, but I try to include search terms I know will bring up the info).

That could be awesome. Since it has been suggested a few times, I will run it by the admins.

In the same sense, it could be said that it might be kind of fun to pretend that as a priest, you can understand and correctly interpret the actions/thoughts of god.

Actually, back before the current mods were appointed, the previous mods (with one exception) basically did nothing. That is what has allowed the forum to become what we are trying to fix today. Way back when, there were few flame wars, people KNEW before they posted, and in general this forum was a pleasant place to be. Once those apathetic mods were appointed, things went downhill. So you didn't know what a mod was because they weren't doing anything.

That is one of the issues that the new guidelines cover.

That's very true. Which is why I find it odd that this thread has received so much attention (negative attention). The only real additions are the areas covering the "SEARCH" posts, post whoring, and misinformation. All the other rules are the same as when the forum was created, I just summarized them. I guess this shows HOW MANY people have not read the rules. And interestingly enough, it is those people who are complaining about them. Hmmm....

Since it has been suggested a few times, I will bring it before the Admins when this thread is over. Since it's universal across the forum, I don't know if it will be changed, but at least they will know that people are looking for an increase.

If a user is not happy with the decision of a mod, then the first step is to PM the mod in a respectful manner. That "respectful manner" is important, because some users (I'm not pointing fingers here) think that if they send back vulgar and insulting messages, they will get what they want. Actually, the exact opposite is true. One of the worst things a user can do is go against the mod and repeat the offense. That shows absolute lack of respect for the forum, it's rules, and the moderator. Most moderators are open to discussing their decisions in PRIVATE in a calm and rational manner. If it is a "hot button" topic, it may be a good idea to wait a little while for both the temper of the mod and the original poster to cool down. After all, we are all (mostly) human.

As for checks and balances, the Admins do pay attention to what the mods are up to. There is even a current discussion for moderator demotions in progress, where mods that are not meeting expectations are being purged.

What many users don't realise is that there is a LOT that goes on in the background with regards to mods and admins. Users perhaps see 10% of it, and most of what they see is the negative fallout.

Funny...But this time, you missed my sarcasm. A bit of an effective demonstration on how easy it is to misinterpret.

That's simply the kind of person I am. I'm an "act now and worry if people are going to hate you later...if ever" type of guy. But my primary concern is bringing the forum back to how it used to be in the early 2000's. Way back in the old days, it was 90% information. Now, we're looking somewhere around 60% good information, 35% bad/misinformation and a 5% flame/spam/BS/etc. factor.

The rules have not changed. They are the same as they always have been, only summarized for easy reading.

We've received a few suggestions for this, so I will add it to the guidelines.

(and yes, I did close this thread for a while so I could reply to it. One of the perks to being a mod...Took almost a freakin' hour!)