Anybody running turbo in front bumper on TII?
10-09-05 | 12:37 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by psychotic7
first of all youre not as smart as ya think, heat kills everything mechanical, including engines ant turbos.....why do you think they are water cooled, oil cooler or both so cooler turbo means longer turbo life and that is a fact.....yes the efan blows hot air but at least its air, so say youre in a room with no ventilation during the summer, would you rather have no air or some hot air.....IT HELPS...and im just guessing that it is a nice and different setup, how can i guess about that, so thats retarded to say....and why wrap everything with a crap load of wrap whenever you can get all the benefits in one package.....you know there can never be any positive remarks on here, just give people props on having a good setup like above bc it is creative and there is not another 7 out there like it. sorry guys if you have second gen you cant do anything like crazy turbo setups, body kits, wings or anything, it has to be stock always......but its perfectly fine for the third gen people to do all this and its cool....well all i can say is that i have to keep my sponsor happy, so i have to get creative......sorry for not wanting to keep my turbo in the stock position, i need to be stoned...ahh shut up.
I don't know much about cars so I can't really comment on the pros or cons of either setup. I don't even have a turbo on my FC. Anyway, as for the "restrictions" placed on FC's... what? Sounds like you made all that up. People are welcome to their opinions. What looks good to you, doesn't to others. Get used to it, I say and don't worry what other people think. If you HATE people's opinions of what looks good / runs good on FCs here, why post asking what we think?
Sounds like you're lookin' for conflict and anyone looking for it, never fails to find it. Life is too short. Don't worry about it.
iSP33D-for-J3SUS
10-09-05 | 12:52 AM
#27
This has some relevence to the topic, yet this person might have far superior reasons to mount his turbo in the front bumber.
FYI: This is also a drag car, not a street car.
My position on front/remotely mounted turbos ON A RX-7: Not needed, and way too dangerous. I'd rather have a heat blanket, some heat wrap, and a CAI with the filter in the bumber. Remotely mounting the turbo requires more effort/time/or money, than simply applying the turbo in the stock position, which has already proven itself to work just fine for 99% of the streetcars on this forum.
FYI: This is also a drag car, not a street car.
My position on front/remotely mounted turbos ON A RX-7: Not needed, and way too dangerous. I'd rather have a heat blanket, some heat wrap, and a CAI with the filter in the bumber. Remotely mounting the turbo requires more effort/time/or money, than simply applying the turbo in the stock position, which has already proven itself to work just fine for 99% of the streetcars on this forum.
10-09-05 | 01:28 AM
#28
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From: K.C. MO
Originally Posted by adrock3217
Actually, it LOOKS like that guy's setup is so the filter will get air from radiator. I can't see any other reason he mounted right there xD. And if you think he is innovative and a genius, well you are mistaken again. He will be drawing in hot air from the turbo, engine block, and e-fan! The stock air-box would have produced cooler air then where that filter currently resides. And if you think lag is completely boxed around the fact that the turbo is away from that particular side of the block, you are sadly mistaken. Lag is lag..lag is piping length, runner length, size of turbo, amount of pressurization a tube or runner needs to be..pressurized..It doesn't just magically disappear when you put the turbo somewhere it didn't come stock.
Maybe you haven't noticed this bit of information. You said a few times, the site says it has no more lag than normal. Well I also just said that a fat chick in my front seat gave me no more weight in my car then normal. But REALLY, placebo, the fact that she's about to give me head, or maybe in you're case it's that the turbo is anywhere but stock, that this idea hits you in the head. Just because you THINK it, or because someone SAYS it..doesn't mean it's true. This is ESPECIALLY true with people trying to sell products. They will say anything if it will make you want to get it, and guess what, it looks like you want to get it..Marketing strategies, oh boy!
Edited for a little spelling, and to say, TURBO'S RUN ON HEAT. Getting the turbo cooled down won't exactly "help" you. Having the turbo HOLD it's OWN heat (Heat blanket, for example) is ok, but putting a bag of ICE on it will DETER performance.
Maybe you haven't noticed this bit of information. You said a few times, the site says it has no more lag than normal. Well I also just said that a fat chick in my front seat gave me no more weight in my car then normal. But REALLY, placebo, the fact that she's about to give me head, or maybe in you're case it's that the turbo is anywhere but stock, that this idea hits you in the head. Just because you THINK it, or because someone SAYS it..doesn't mean it's true. This is ESPECIALLY true with people trying to sell products. They will say anything if it will make you want to get it, and guess what, it looks like you want to get it..Marketing strategies, oh boy!
Edited for a little spelling, and to say, TURBO'S RUN ON HEAT. Getting the turbo cooled down won't exactly "help" you. Having the turbo HOLD it's OWN heat (Heat blanket, for example) is ok, but putting a bag of ICE on it will DETER performance.
NZ and I made pretty much an identical post about all of your pros. His was a little neater with the direct quotes and what not, but it doesn't even sound like you read into either of our responses. You just got angry with the fact THAT we don't agree with you, rather than WHY we dont' agree with you.
Why not run the manifold straight up out of a hole cut in the hood? You would definitely get some fresh cool air that way. And downpipe routing wouldn't be too much of a problem eh?
-Marques
10-09-05 | 03:43 AM
#29
I'm a boost creep...
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10-09-05 | 04:12 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by psychotic7
yo NZ there are no advantages my ***.....lets see cooler turbo, cooler air, cooler intake temps, cooler oil, more engine bay space, no turbo to heat and destroy hoses under the hood.....exhaust and boost move very fast and exhaust flow is constant, so i dont think turbo lag is an issue....and who says that a turbo has to be close to the block and at the rear of the engine unless FWD...umm lets see, 3rd gen RWD, supra RWD 300zx RWD....all are known to have turbos mounted in the front bumper, so that was possibly the stupidest thing ive heard.....and i know yall are lashing me bc you are scared to try something different like always but i want my car to be better, and this just has no negatives.
The reason a turbocharger works is because it takes advantage of the rapidly expanding hot exhaust. Without this the turbo would not work and the turbine would not do it's job to spin the compressor. The turbo isn't powered by hot exhaust pushing the wheel...there is more to it.
That is the reason exhaust wrap and blankets for the hotside are a good idea. Hot exhaust gasses move faster than than cool exhaust gas.
You can mount the turbo where ever you would like...however....if you can find a happy medium between equal length and short piping you will have the best of both worlds.
This is a good read http://www.mysterymeatgrinder.com/in...boFundamentals
James
10-09-05 | 04:40 AM
#31
one thing ive noticed about all these cars with the turbo in the front is they all seem to either be
FWD and its convenient,
a V motor with a single turbo( so it has to go infront of the engine, it cant go behind it the tranys there ,and it cant go on 1 side( unequal runners...)
,or the turbo is so large it wont fit on the side of the engine! lol
FWD and its convenient,
a V motor with a single turbo( so it has to go infront of the engine, it cant go behind it the tranys there ,and it cant go on 1 side( unequal runners...)
,or the turbo is so large it wont fit on the side of the engine! lol
10-09-05 | 05:03 AM
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From: n
Originally Posted by psychotic7
first of all youre not as smart as ya think,
The primary reason the FWD drag cars run the turbo up front is cause...that's where the exhaust ports exit out of.
Why do 13B's exit out the side?
Cause that's where the exhaust ports exit out of.
You're trying to dig for some special meaning of the turbo mounting, and I think you've been smoking too much crack...
heat kills everything mechanical, including engines ant turbos.....
*TOO MUCH* heats kills everything...
The turbo runs Inconel turbine blades - do you know how much heat Inconel can handle without failing?
You seem to be the smart one, so why don't you answer that...
The turbine housing is made of a special alloy that is ductile and handles the heat.
Keep the heat to a normal temp, and it will never fail.
why do you think they are water cooled,
Water cooled centers are for idiots who don't know what a proper cool-down for the turbo means.
Do you realize there are turbos with NO water cooling???
Wow, imagine that!
oil cooler
So explain to me why the NON-TURBO FC and the turbo FC use the SAME oil cooler?
Wow, it sure can't be that the turbo FC *NEEDS* the oil cooler for the turbo!
or both so cooler turbo means longer turbo life and that is a fact.....
See above.
you know there can never be any positive remarks on here, just give people props on having a good setup like above bc it is creative and there is not another 7 out there like it.
You're the one that is too stubborn to listen to others.
You think YOUR set-up is the best, and even though we can all argue till we turn blue in the face, you're still not going to listen.
Creative? Yes.
Good? Not necessarily...
One of the top rotary engine guys who drag races is Abel Ibarra.
Well, guess where all his turbos are located?
Yes, it's ON THE SIDE OF THE ENGINE.
So you think you're better than Flaco Racing?
sorry guys if you have second gen you cant do anything like crazy turbo setups,
BDC's buddy Hassan did move the turbo to the FRONT of the engine...2 years ago?
You're spewing old news whether you realize it or not.
So no, you're not an innovator or thought you've done something new...
body kits, wings or anything,
So, you're wrong again...
it has to be stock always......
Since when it came down to body kit pieces?
DO YOU HAVE CUSTOM BODY KIT PIECES YOU MADE YOURSELF THAT IS ORIGINAL?
I don't think I saw any proof of that?
but its perfectly fine for the third gen people to do all this and its cool....
well all i can say is that i have to keep my sponsor happy, so i have to get creative......sorry for not wanting to keep my turbo in the stock position, i need to be stoned...ahh shut up.
-Ted
10-09-05 | 07:52 AM
#33
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NZ, that setup wouldn't look half bad with some sort of a scoop. That wasn't quite as ghetto as I had in mind.
Now I have to find a picture this ridiculous civic that I saw. Oh man that thing was ghetttttto! Time to search around, I'll be back with a pic.
Now I have to find a picture this ridiculous civic that I saw. Oh man that thing was ghetttttto! Time to search around, I'll be back with a pic.
*sigh*
10-22-05 | 01:23 AM
#35
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From: GaTech
similar but different...
I had a similar idea (turbo set in front of the block) but not for any type of cooling or anything like that. I found out the other day that my engine (with turbo/ air pump, no ac/ ps) is a little too wide for my engine bay (1970 Opel GT, 20" wide at front axel, 19.5" wide at firewall). My thoughts were to move the turbo to the front of the block, as close to the block as possible. If that is not possible, I will have to do some cutting and welding on the engine bay to get the engine to fit. My question is about the manifold, would it be more beneficial to include an expansion chamber as the manifold rounds the corner going forward, or to leave it equal diameter all the way down?
Thanks,
-Rob
Thanks,
-Rob
10-22-05 | 01:25 AM
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I would not bother with expansion chambers.
We're not worried about evacuating the exhaust gases from the engine - we're trying to keep the velocity and "energy" (i.e. heat) in the exhaust gases until it hits the turbine wheel.
This is how the turbo (turbine) works more efficiently.
-Ted
We're not worried about evacuating the exhaust gases from the engine - we're trying to keep the velocity and "energy" (i.e. heat) in the exhaust gases until it hits the turbine wheel.
This is how the turbo (turbine) works more efficiently.
-Ted
10-22-05 | 11:41 AM
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From: GaTech
Thanks,
but from this pic, https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...hmentid=135341 , it looks like there might not even be a definite width minimizing advantage, but then again, it looks like hes running about a 3" ex with some kinda huge manifold as well...I shouldnt need all of that, so maybe it will work. I dont want to get into a welding project with the manifold only to find out I have to cut the engine bay anyway...
-Rob
but from this pic, https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...hmentid=135341 , it looks like there might not even be a definite width minimizing advantage, but then again, it looks like hes running about a 3" ex with some kinda huge manifold as well...I shouldnt need all of that, so maybe it will work. I dont want to get into a welding project with the manifold only to find out I have to cut the engine bay anyway...
-Rob
